Iger Says Avatar Most Likely 2015, Hints at Marvel, More Pirates and Cars

Lee

Adventurer
( the meetings that prompted those rumors were actually the Avatar meetings )
I don't want to derail this thread but....that statement is incorrect.

Also, as I said in the other thread, Avatar isn't dead. Nor is it moving ahead very much at this point. There are issues with the project which have caused the whole thing to slow way down to a crawl, if not a full stop.
It isn't cancelled, though. Money is being spent, and WDI resources are still assigned to it.
Let's just wait and see, shall we?
 

drew81

Well-Known Member
I was at the meeting yesterday. Let me say, security was extremely tight. Guards with earpieces everywhere. We had to go through metal detectors as well.

I actually talked with the gentleman who asked about Avatar before the meeting. I told him he should. Iger came across to me as on edge during parts of the meeting and it seemed like he didn't want to be asked about Avatar. Rasulo came across as not liking the comment of one shareholder and how they didn't care for "Disney Parks" brand.

I asked about character/performer safety/guest assaulting them and Iger said it doesn't happen all that often.
 

Brian_WDW74

Member
I was at the meeting yesterday. Let me say, security was extremely tight. Guards with earpieces everywhere. We had to go through metal detectors as well.

I actually talked with the gentleman who asked about Avatar before the meeting. I told him he should. Iger came across to me as on edge during parts of the meeting and it seemed like he didn't want to be asked about Avatar. Rasulo came across as not liking the comment of one shareholder and how they didn't care for "Disney Parks" brand.

I asked about character/performer safety/guest assaulting them and Iger said it doesn't happen all that often.

I was at the meeting as well and agree with your assessments of Iger and Rasulo. I also found it very telling that the montage that included Disney's movie accomplishments had clips of Muppets, Pirates and Brave, but not a single image of John Carter. I think they know which way the wind is blowing on that one.

As for Pleasure Island/Hyperion Wharf, I was literally standing up to go to the microphone and ask about it when John Pepper announced that they would only be taking two more questions. I regret not getting in line sooner.
 

juniorthomas

Well-Known Member
I'm going to throw this out there....I don't think this is actually the case, but...

What if Avatarland is going to focus on the next 2 movies and James Cameron doesn't want the concept art out before the movie previews come out?

Just a thought, probably completely wrong

Seems valid, but I feel that TDO likely wouldn't invest so heavily in a park addition that's based on films that haven't been released yet. Any equity in Avatar at all comes from the first film.
 

awhit066

Well-Known Member
I'm going to throw this out there....I don't think this is actually the case, but...

What if Avatarland is going to focus on the next 2 movies and James Cameron doesn't want the concept art out before the movie previews come out?

Just a thought, probably completely wrong

I was just about to post this exact same suggestion!

From what I understand the 2nd and 3rd Avatar films are going to be based on two different aspects of the Pandora world that we have yet to see, one of which is an underwater world (if I remember correctly). While rumors of Cameron taking his sub to begin filming scenes for the new movies swirl, it would seem counter productive of Disney to release potential concept art that indicate a direction for the sequels that Cameron has yet to flush out.

Although I have no clear idea of how far along Cameron is in the production of the sequels, it seems that many changes may still happen. Once there are some more concrete production stills or concept art for the films themselves we may be able to see some for the land come around.
 

flavious27

Well-Known Member
They really can't do much more with the in park presence for cars, :sohappy:, the intrusion during LMA is going to be all without a permanent attraction.

2015 or 3 years is about the right amount of time for a miniland to get designed, developed, and built. I am wondering if avatar is going to even be popular at that point.
 

juniorthomas

Well-Known Member
They really can't do much more with the in park presence for cars, :sohappy:, the intrusion during LMA is going to be all without a permanent attraction.

2015 or 3 years is about the right amount of time for a miniland to get designed, developed, and built. I am wondering if avatar is going to even be popular at that point.

Just convert LMA to Cars and be done with it. Personally, I think has very little brand recognition here. If you put real Disney properties into it, you get more fans on the backend.

And really, I didn't think Avatar was all that popular now...
 

JustInTime

Well-Known Member
Also, as I said in the other thread, Avatar isn't dead. Nor is it moving ahead very much at this point. There are issues with the project which have caused the whole thing to slow way down to a crawl, if not a full stop.
It isn't cancelled, though. Money is being spent, and WDI resources are still assigned to it.
Let's just wait and see, shall we?


Just wanted to bump this post. What I have been saying. Thanks, Lee.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
The test track refurb is nothing more than a redone queue/post show and some small elements and changes done to the show. It's not the major overhaul that was originally talked about/hoped for. Why would we expect concept art on a new queue? We don't get concept art for any refurbs (it's really not needed). BTMRR, SSE from 3 years ago, Space....

You're argument doesn't pass the logic test.

I also said I was being sarcastic, I know sarcasm gets lost on the internet... I was just pointing out that following some peoples' logic that no concept art = dead project is faulty...

I agree with Lee, wait and see what happens...
 

bdearl41

Well-Known Member
Why would Marvel be at the Disney parks???? I think we are all failing to see what an awful idea this is.

Also, what would be great is some original ideas not based of movies, for example Expedition Everest, Soarin, Mission Space, Horizons, Test Track, Space Mountain, BTMR, RocknRoller Coaster, Tower of Terror. These are the best of the best rides, and unique concepts, lets keep going in that direction instead of franchising everything.
 
I think the biggest part of the Avatar deal that members here are misunderstanding is that Disney is going after Pandora, not the Avatar storyline. They're trying to recreate the planet's landscape (environment) and showcase its plant and animal wildlife. That screams Animal Kingdom. At this point, Disney doesn't even know what the land is going to contain, but my own guess is that the attractions within the land aren't going to be dependent on the Avatar story but instead will simply incorporate the elements of Pandora that 'wowed' millions of people. I don't think we're going to see attractions of the military fighting off the Avatars or destroying the mother tree. Instead, I think we'll see attractions and experiences that deal with "interacting" with the creatures in some form in their natural exotic environment. Under these circumstances, if the Avatar sequels are successful, Disney can strongly market the Avatar land as a connection to the movies; however, should they not have staying power, all they need to do is market the land as a guest experience with exotic creatures from a new world. Having seen the movies, Pandora and the creatures would be recognizable, but I don't think this is the case where one would have to have seen the movies to enjoy the land. If Avatar had never been made and a new land focusing on an environment similar to Pandora was proposed, would everyone still be this negative toward the idea?
 

DmoDisney

New Member
Iger comes off as a jerk to me. He probably thinks that he owns the company.

The more I read about Iger, I'm reminded of the Seinfeld episode where George first meets Steinbrenner (The Opposite) and says the following:

In the past twenty years you have caused myself, and the city of New York, a good deal of distress, as we have watched you take our beloved Yankees and reduced them to a laughing stock, all for the glorification of your massive ego!

to modify - will we be saying this soon?

In the past several years you have caused myself, and the Disney Nation, a good deal of distress, as we have watched you take our beloved WDW and reduced it to a laughing stock, all for the glorification of your massive ego!

OK, so it's more the massive ego part that resonates...obviously the company is doing well financially. But, I feel like Iger's ego will see to it that Avatar Land comes to fruition one day...
 

JustInTime

Well-Known Member
I think the biggest part of the Avatar deal that members here are misunderstanding is that Disney is going after Pandora, not the Avatar storyline. They're trying to recreate the planet's landscape (environment) and showcase its plant and animal wildlife. That screams Animal Kingdom. At this point, Disney doesn't even know what the land is going to contain, but my own guess is that the attractions within the land aren't going to be dependent on the Avatar story but instead will simply incorporate the elements of Pandora that 'wowed' millions of people. I don't think we're going to see attractions of the military fighting off the Avatars or destroying the mother tree. Instead, I think we'll see attractions and experiences that deal with "interacting" with the creatures in some form in their natural exotic environment. Under these circumstances, if the Avatar sequels are successful, Disney can strongly market the Avatar land as a connection to the movies; however, should they not have staying power, all they need to do is market the land as a guest experience with exotic creatures from a new world. Having seen the movies, Pandora and the creatures would be recognizable, but I don't think this is the case where one would have to have seen the movies to enjoy the land. If Avatar had never been made and a new land focusing on an environment similar to Pandora was proposed, would everyone still be this negative toward the idea?

agreed x 1000
 

Gregoryp73

Active Member
Why would Marvel be at the Disney parks???? I think we are all failing to see what an awful idea this is.

Also, what would be great is some original ideas not based of movies, for example Expedition Everest, Soarin, Mission Space, Horizons, Test Track, Space Mountain, BTMR, RocknRoller Coaster, Tower of Terror. These are the best of the best rides, and unique concepts, lets keep going in that direction instead of franchising everything.

While everyone on the forums may be thinking rides and attractions...I would think Iger is thinking Merch and M & G's...which is a small investment, large return.

Could you imagine the line of 5 year old boys lining up at the studios to get their picture with a true to form Ironman, Captain America, or Thor? I would also expect to see those characters in Parades soon...I just hope they keep this property at the studios where it belongs. I really don't like anything at the magic kingdom that is not disney originated (including pixar, even though I love their films).
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
While everyone on the forums may be thinking rides and attractions...I would think Iger is thinking Merch and M & G's...which is a small investment, large return.

Could you imagine the line of 5 year old boys lining up at the studios to get their picture with a true to form Ironman, Captain America, or Thor? I would also expect to see those characters in Parades soon...I just hope they keep this property at the studios where it belongs. I really don't like anything at the magic kingdom that is not disney originated (including pixar, even though I love their films).

We aren't likely to see the Marvel characters in any of the WDW parks anytime soon due to the exclusivity deal that Universal has. Disneyland and overseas is another story.
 

Lee

Adventurer
Iger came across to me as on edge during parts of the meeting and it seemed like he didn't want to be asked about Avatar.
Oh, trust me. He knew it was coming, but definitely didn't want to hear it.

Rasulo came across as not liking the comment of one shareholder and how they didn't care for "Disney Parks" brand.
Of course not. As dumb as it is, it's his brainchild.
 

Alektronic

Well-Known Member
I also said I was being sarcastic, I know sarcasm gets lost on the internet... I was just pointing out that following some peoples' logic that no concept art = dead project is faulty...

I agree with Lee, wait and see what happens...

Maybe you should say publicly released concept art? There is plenty of concept art and plans out there that not that many people or talking about being seen. I have some friends that work at TT. They gave them a presentation with plenty of concept art and plans and even virtual ride through.

Then other friends have seen the concept art for Agent P's World Showcase Adventure (APWSA) for a couple of months already.
 

Gregoryp73

Active Member
We aren't likely to see the Marvel characters in any of the WDW parks anytime soon due to the exclusivity deal that Universal has. Disneyland and overseas is another story.

I thought that was just rides and attractions that covered, no?

They are selling Marvel merch on disney properties at some extent i thought...
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
Maybe you should say publicly released concept art? There is plenty of concept art and plans out there that not that many people or talking about being seen. I have some friends that work at TT. They gave them a presentation with plenty of concept art and plans and even virtual ride through.

Then other friends have seen the concept art for Agent P's World Showcase Adventure (APWSA) for a couple of months already.
Perhaps Disney has realized that on something like a refurb, releasing concept art many months out creates a little buzz, but that fizzles by the time the attraction opens? I imagine they are saving the concept art so they can put together some Disney Blog videos showing them off as we near the end of the project, to actually generate buzz that might = money.
 

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