Iger is Ruining WDW, The Disney Company, and needs to go

Miru

Miru

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Vegas Disney Fan said:
I wouldn’t say ruined but I agree it’s been going steadily downhill since about 2015. So ironic that DCA 2.0 replaced a cheap and cartoony theme with a classic and timeless theme only to be replaced again with cheap and cartoony themes.
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All because the cheap and cartoony themes happen to be IP… but there’s also some cheap but realistic themes thrown in too due to that.
 
Mark Dunne

Mark Dunne

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Mr Igor seems to have got the star wars thing completely wrong, personally IMO it should of been Tatooine , and should of had all kinds of star wars characters walking around , but keeping with the same ole characters of Kylo and his troopers seems pretty boring. i do love the look of GE, but it needs tweaks for sure, people may not agree, but the merch is a real let down, why not have classis star wars toys , lightsabers, books etc, in those stores, stop story driving everything you do, and i still say star wars between 77-83 if far the best we've ever had. so they should lean on that , change MFSR into tie fighter attack or something a lot more exiting than they have now. and don't get me started on EPCOT, i don't mind the updates at all, it looks pretty cool, but please please look at the imagination pavilion, and give figment a proper attraction, either do this or let him go, cos a person in a suit at 6ft is ridiculous , make him small enough and bring back dream finder to hold him, so all in all we need to change not just 1 person, but all 3 of them, honestly watching D23 is more like a apple convention now, be interesting to see now the dust has settled what people really think of these new lands/updates ,cos if you think Indy doesn't belong in M.K in Adventureland please leave now, and thank you for all you've done.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Mark Dunne said:
Mr Igor seems to have got the star wars thing completely wrong, personally IMO it should of been Tatooine , and should of had all kinds of star wars characters walking around , but keeping with the same ole characters of Kylo and his troopers seems pretty boring. i do love the look of GE, but it needs tweaks for sure, people may not agree, but the merch is a real let down, why not have classis star wars toys , lightsabers, books etc, in those stores, stop story driving everything you do, and i still say star wars between 77-83 if far the best we've ever had. so they should lean on that , change MFSR into tie fighter attack or something a lot more exiting than they have now. and don't get me started on EPCOT, i don't mind the updates at all, it looks pretty cool, but please please look at the imagination pavilion, and give figment a proper attraction, either do this or let him go, cos a person in a suit at 6ft is ridiculous , make him small enough and bring back dream finder to hold him, so all in all we need to change not just 1 person, but all 3 of them, honestly watching D23 is more like a apple convention now, be interesting to see now the dust has settled what people really think of these new lands/updates ,cos if you think Indy doesn't belong in M.K in Adventureland please leave now, and thank you for all you've done.
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He was never gonna do that…because at the time he didn’t want to give creative credence to the Lucas material
 
Miru

Miru

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Goofyernmost said:
It started long before that!
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2011, when they began to shut down the hand drawn department?
2009, when they made their first massive left-field acquisition? (Earlier buyouts were smaller or not out-of-left-field like Marvel was. The big buyouts were a bad idea with good execution)

If discussing DCA specifically, I’d say 2014 when they got rid of MV3D.
 
Chef Mickey

Chef Mickey

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marni1971 said:
Quite the opposite. A lot of time and money has gone into trying to understand the issue.
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I don't doubt it, but this just seems like a failure of resources and incompetence. This is not a complex task in this world. Safety is #1, but coding this doesn't seem complex enough (particularly with schematics and access to source code) to stump them for this long.
 
Inspired Figment

Inspired Figment

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Moth said:
The character of Mickey has (largely) suffered at his hands as his status of mascot of the company has decayed and is now replaced with essentially Baby Yoda, Iron Man and Elsa. The short films were cute and a breath of fresh air for Mickey but Iger (and the guy who was keeping his seat warm while he was in his pandemic bunker) hasn't done a major 2D project for Mickey like those before him. It's kinda sad to see how fair even Mickey Mouse has fallen.
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The entire problem started with the lack of proper promotion of House of Mouse, the eventual sidelining of that approach as a result and instead going with (IMO) the most unimaginative/soulless route possible.. making him a very bland, uninspired Dora the Explorer clone, retaining none of the nuance and unique identity & appeal he had initially other than basic character design & voice basically. Notice how they don’t even mention any of the development of Mickey Mouse Clubhouse or the failure to market House of Mouse & MouseWorks properly in their recent “Story of a Mouse” documentaries/history lookbacks. House of Mouse isn’t even available to watch ‘on’ their service.. There’s a reason for that folks…
On top of it, keep in mind, the reason things like Three Musketeers never got a theatrical release was because Eisner deemed 2D animation dead. (And personally I feel Iger feels the same way for the most part) I believe this is another reason for the lack of proper promotion of MouseWorks/House of Mouse and other related nuanced and balanced approaches aswell. Also, while perhaps an unpopular opinion (I dunno, maybe I’m wrong), but I personally think the recent shorts are too extreme in their appprach not nuanced enough to appeal to as many people as they could. They are too extreme & edgy in a Ren & Stimpy sense, lacking the character integrity, charm & overall appeal they need. They’re more like parodies. It’s basically the same issue as Clubhouse but on the opposite side of the spectrum. (Think, 2 exteme differing approaches that ultimately fail to impact folks the way they need to, rather than one that would aim to please the majority and genuinely be a tasteful continuation of the legacy of the past) But yeah.. just sad.

Ultimately I wouldn’t be so frustrated with Mickey Mouse Clubhouse or the Paul Rudish shorts if they didn’t/wouldn’t have come at the expense of what came before. But the more balanced/nuanced should absolutely be acknowledged & available at the very least and the other options should be ‘additional’ options available rather than replacements or the ‘only’ options available.
 
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Miru

Miru

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Inspired Figment said:
The entire problem started with the lack of proper promotion of House of Mouse, the eventual sidelining of that approach as a result and going with the most unimaginative/soulless route possible.. making him a Dora the Explorer clone, retaining none of the nuance and unique identity & appeal he had initially other than basically character design. Notice how they don’t even mention any of the development of Mickey Mouse Clubhouse or the failure to market House of Mouse & MouseWorks properly in their recent “Story of a Mouse” documentaries/history lookbacks. House of Mouse isn’t even available to watch ‘on’ their service.. There’s a reason for that folks…
On top of it, keep in mind, the reason things like Three Musketeers never got a theatrical release was because Eisner deemed 2D animation dead. (And personally I feel Iger feels the same way for the most part) I believe this is another reason for the lack of proper promotion of MouseWorks/House of Mouse and other related nuanced and balanced approaches aswell. Also, a bit unrelated, but I personally think the recent shorts are too extreme and not nuanced enough to appeal to as many people as they could. They are too edgy in a Ren & Stimpy sense, lacking the character integrity & overall appeal they need. They’re more like parodies. It’s basically the same issue as Clubhouse but on the opposite side of the spectrum. But yeah.. just sad
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Heck, with Wish, if they wanted to not go whole hog with the princess dealio to try and be more like Dreamworks with villains and Toei with love interests, and focus more on a “WE ARE STARS” message, it would have been a perfect movie for Mickey. But just do it better.
 
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Inspired Figment

Inspired Figment

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Miru said:
Heck, with Wish, if they wanted to not go whole hog with the princess dealio to try and be more like Dreamworks with villains and Toei with love interests, and focus more on a “WE ARE STARS” message, it would have been a perfect movie for Mickey.
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Gotta respectfully disagree with you on that. Infact, I’d argue Wish has much of the same exact issues as Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and the majority of their modern day preschool programming. It lacks enough depth, development, appeal, charm, and nuance to truly make the impact their older features did. Doing it with Mickey only would’ve tarnished his reputation more than some of the other efforts as of late have.
Look at some of Mickey’s past featurette & film efforts (say, the Mickey and the Beanstalk segment of Fun & Fancy Free, Prince & the Pauper, Three Musketeers and those come much closer to what a full length film could be. As can be said for the animated segments of films like Saludos Amigos & Three Caballeros and how they compliment the overall theme when it comes to their Goofy & Donald segments, Same goes for A Goofy Movie when it comes to the type of emotional depth & nuance they were able to get into the characters & story that otherwise were mostly comedy/visual gag focused)
 
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Miru

Miru

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Inspired Figment said:
Gotta respectfully disagree with you on that. Infact, I’d argue Wish has much of the same exact issues as Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and the majority of their modern day preschool programming. It lacks enough depth, development, appeal, charm, and nuance to truly make the impact their older features did. Doing it with Mickey only would’ve tarnished his reputation more than some of the other efforts as of late have.
Look at some of Mickey’s past featurette & film efforts (say, the Mickey and the Beanstalk segment of Fun & Fancy Free, Prince & the Pauper, Three Musketeers and those come much closer to what a full length film could be. As can be said for the animated segments of films like Saludos Amigos & Three Caballeros and how they compliment the overall theme when it comes to their Goofy & Donald segments, Same goes for A Goofy Movie when it comes to the type of emotional depth & nuance they were able to get into the characters & story that otherwise were mostly comedy/visual gag focused)
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Exactly.
 
Inspired Figment

Inspired Figment

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Miru said:
Exactly.
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Ah, forgive me for that first part of my message. Had to re-read your post, initially misread it as you saying Wish would’ve been the perfect format for a Mickey film (lol) looks like basically you have the same thoughts as me regarding how a Mickey film ( let alone Wish) should’ve been done, Awesome lol
 
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