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If DLP closes, move everything to WDW
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Dom Disney
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If DLP was scratched i definatley dont think it should be built in Barcelona, im not sure of an alternative ,but has anyone ever heard of too much of a good thing?:lookaroun
the only reason I'm partial to the Iberian Peninsula (other than my national origin... but that can be discussed later) is because of the warmer climate. That's it.
But for warm climate in Europe, the Italian peninsula and Greece would also work... hell, Tangiers wouldn't be too far fetched of an idea... it's connected to Europe by a network of ferries, and already has a large tourism sector
But for warm climate in Europe, the Italian peninsula and Greece would also work... hell, Tangiers wouldn't be too far fetched of an idea... it's connected to Europe by a network of ferries, and already has a large tourism sector
kvan
New Member
back to topic..
They offerd free land for the disney park, a few miles from were I live,
Don't remember well why they refused it, somthing about not enough space for expancion (I believe)
Spain is lately in one of the top places for tourist, Catalunya one of the most visited , so that would not count as negative.
(+11 million visitors)
also it's a lot cheaper.
the only reason why they build it in paris is the central location.
They offerd free land for the disney park, a few miles from were I live,
Don't remember well why they refused it, somthing about not enough space for expancion (I believe)
Spain is lately in one of the top places for tourist, Catalunya one of the most visited , so that would not count as negative.
(+11 million visitors)
also it's a lot cheaper.
the only reason why they build it in paris is the central location.
grandmath
Active Member
OK, first compare the attendance figures of both DLRP and PA. PA doesn't attract 1/3 of the global Disney audience in France. Once again, DLRP is NOT failing, the huge debt rised from 1992-1994 is what goes against them. They have that to reimburse each year, and the WDC keeps wanting some royalties payment etc. So they can't invest one penny in new attractions. I agree the WDS concept failed because of its poor quality which led to terrible word of mouth. PA is working because they lacked the vision Disney had at the time (they didn't have one hotel on site, and it wasnt close to be called a destination resort). Furthermore it wasn't Universal Studios at the time so the park was instantly well adapted to Spanish culture.
Now for the Orlando example, California and Florida were always the two seaside holiday destinations for americans due to their weather, even before Disney. But in Europe, Spain isn't THE place to go. There is Italy, or Greece for that matter, and don't forget the "côte d'Azur" in france, as for northern populations, the weather there is good year-round too. Then, there is the "theme park culture". Although in America 90% of the population goes to a theme park at least once a year, in Europe this number is 33%. Disneyland was well established when WDW opened and that led to an immediate success there too. Now for the french not loving Disney, that isn't true. France is the #2 audience for Disney movies after Japan (ie Tarzan attracted more than Star Wars E1, and Treasure Planet more than Matrix Revolutions). It is the THEME PARK culture that is different, but it is evolving too, with more and more parks being built acrosse Europe.
It surely came down to the gifts of every country Disney looked at (even Great Britain) but mostly for each advantages. Disney DID some market reasearch and attendance projection, and a DLR in Spain would have attracted 6 million people, compared to 13 million pour DLRP today. Furthermore the Resort wouldn't have opened during winter (as PA) due to too few tourists during that period. But in France, remember tourists are used to the weather, even more in northern countries. That doesn't distract them from going to the Resort, and please note that Christmas is the busiest time at DLRP, even before summer. The park was designed to be appreciated all the time, and they surely took advantage of the weather to provide adequate entertainment.
This isn't like this, because ok 7 million foreign visitors go to DLRP but it didn't add 7 million guests to all the rest of Paris, because think that from these 7 million people, at least 5 million were already going to visit it! (DLRP isn't yet a 7-days worth resort) So consider 2 million added since before DLRP is already a huge increase. And many tourists go to DLRP, then maybe Spain, or Italy. Not necessarily Paris. Still, they are counted as "toursists" if they spend one night in France. That's the definition.
But that doesn't hide the fact that yes, french react somehow differently for a park. They don't play as much in the parades, or their eating habits is perhaps different, and they like this, and this, and not that. Every culture is different, the key is "adapting", while keeping the same product. Local advertising instead of Global advertising lol. That doesn't mean it must fail, because the Disney product is strong enough to please everyone and it does really well, considering it is the most multi-cultural Disney resort in the world.
Dom Disney
New Member
because Universal Studios doesn't thrive on magic !Universal is doing fine because its aim isn't to take people to a paralel magical universe. And although Universal is a great theme park in its self the Disney theme parks deserve a slightly more magical setting than Barcelona.
grandmath
Active Member
I didn't say Barcelona would be a BAD choice...(in fact I like PA's location) I'm just sticking to the fact that Paris is the BEST choice for Disney (and not just because I live 25 miles west of DLRP).
Besides, PA has only has the name "Universal" to it. 98% of the park was built before Universal bought it in 1999 if I remember correctly. They created 2 original attractions so don't expect an experience even close to IOA or a Studio theme park.
And as for being the 2nd most visited theme park in Europe, that doesn't say much (3,5 million guests vs 13 million for DLRP). Even a regular amusement park such as Blackpool Pleasure Beach in GB attracts 7 million visitors / year.
Besides, PA has only has the name "Universal" to it. 98% of the park was built before Universal bought it in 1999 if I remember correctly. They created 2 original attractions so don't expect an experience even close to IOA or a Studio theme park.
And as for being the 2nd most visited theme park in Europe, that doesn't say much (3,5 million guests vs 13 million for DLRP). Even a regular amusement park such as Blackpool Pleasure Beach in GB attracts 7 million visitors / year.
Originally posted by grandmath
Excuse me, but most tourists visit DLRP while in France, and not France while at DLRP.... France already was #1 tourist destination before DLRP even got built. DLRP maybe attracts an additional 1 to 2 million tourists each year but that's all.
BUt I agree that a DLR in Spain wouldn't work... ok the weather is better. But that's all. Disney made extensive studies to prove that France still was the best place to build a Disneyland and they were right. The problem is, they didn't adapt well enough for the fist two years, and since then, they are paying for that and can't grow, and they go cheap.But that time seems to be over now, as the new management really wants new attractions. Extensive rehabs are occuring everywhere. So wait for the end of those financial negotiations in may and many announcments following. :sohappy:
I still can't figure out why WDW gets more U.K. visitors that DLP, while DLP is litterally "right accross the river"!
grandmath
Active Member
The experience is not the same (2-3 days long weekends vacation vs 1 week holiday), neither are the prices. I must admit, surprisingly, that it is cheaper to go to WDW from Europe than to go to DLRP.
And don't forget GLOBAL attendance:
40 million guests for WDW
13 million for DLRP.
More people, more english too...
And don't forget GLOBAL attendance:
40 million guests for WDW
13 million for DLRP.
More people, more english too...
Dom Disney
New Member
Well if there just across the river then arn't people more likly to want a bigger adventure ,for example instead of across the river across a couple of oceans .and where as some people might spend less money going to paris , visiters to America will have got the most for theirs! :sohappy:
Punkss
New Member
Right lets get some things said!
1) Barcelona is a beautiful city and would be more than deserving of a Disney park. I have been to both Paris and Barcelona to find that the Spanish are wonderful friendly people whereas the French are arrogant and expect you to go to Paris rather than welcoming you. Oh and of course i enjoyed Disneyland Paris when i went! And so did my girlfriends family when they went, disney is the same whatever language, open yourselves up to other cultures people!
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Originally posted by KevinPage
Spain doesn't deserve Disney after it tucked its tail between its legs after they were bombed. But let's not even get into that.
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We all know that is not true, a government must represent the people and because people do not share your views you should not punish them with such futile things like you say. If anything you should listen to them.
You should be embarrased by your attitude and lack of understanding.
3) Universal Mediterreanea (nee Port Aventura) is a pretty good park and has some good rides and attractions. Its definitley a more european theme park though, Dragon Khan there is ace!
As you were.....
1) Barcelona is a beautiful city and would be more than deserving of a Disney park. I have been to both Paris and Barcelona to find that the Spanish are wonderful friendly people whereas the French are arrogant and expect you to go to Paris rather than welcoming you. Oh and of course i enjoyed Disneyland Paris when i went! And so did my girlfriends family when they went, disney is the same whatever language, open yourselves up to other cultures people!
2) quote:
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Originally posted by KevinPage
Spain doesn't deserve Disney after it tucked its tail between its legs after they were bombed. But let's not even get into that.
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We all know that is not true, a government must represent the people and because people do not share your views you should not punish them with such futile things like you say. If anything you should listen to them.
You should be embarrased by your attitude and lack of understanding.
3) Universal Mediterreanea (nee Port Aventura) is a pretty good park and has some good rides and attractions. Its definitley a more european theme park though, Dragon Khan there is ace!
As you were.....
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Reasons
1. The price i can get 14 days at WDW for the same as 5 at DLP
2. Its in France
3. It has French staff.
4. Its near Paris
5. Its in France.
6. Universal Mediterania is better
7. Universal is not in France
Anyone who has endured the Paris ring road at rush-hour will know what i mean. I do like France but the Parisians are the only people on earth that could make new Yoikers seem understated. The Parisian is so far up himself he can conduct a visual inspection of his own colon.
lebernadin
New Member
I was wondering how long it would take to turn into a Brit V French flame war.....