invader
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So like the matterhorn?
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Ideas for Fantasy Land Expansion Phase 4
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Cosmic Commando
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In a way. I was actually going to say "Matterhorn-like" in my original post, but the key difference is that the two tracks or two rides would be completely different themes, instead of slightly different paths with the same basic experience. Also, when you're in Tomorrowland, it would look like a Tomorrowland mountain: different rockwork depending on where you're viewing it from.
msupulski
New Member
If they did this and used the same type of ride system/technology that Uni used for Spiderman, it would probably turn out fantastic.
cookiee_munster
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Kind of agree with some of the posts on here already. i think the rest of the castle area of fantasyland needs a good seeing to now. obviously, eventually the building that held snow white which is to become that meet and greet will (hopefully) be turfed out quite soon ready for a new attraction.
The tomorrowland speedway site really should be reserved for something featured in Tomorrowland. its a huge space, that has a lot of potential. again, i like the idea of there being come kind of mountain, I'd love to see a mysterious island/lagoon* area come to tomorrowland with a jules verne/steampunk theme overlayed to the rest of tomorrowland.
*difficult as there was already a lagoon just a few yards away from that site to begin with. but hey.
The tomorrowland speedway site really should be reserved for something featured in Tomorrowland. its a huge space, that has a lot of potential. again, i like the idea of there being come kind of mountain, I'd love to see a mysterious island/lagoon* area come to tomorrowland with a jules verne/steampunk theme overlayed to the rest of tomorrowland.
*difficult as there was already a lagoon just a few yards away from that site to begin with. but hey.
doctornick
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I was kind of thinking that with the expanding dining options in Fantasyland -- BOG, Gaston's, the almost certain food service tent in the back of the Circus, plus Friar's Nook and the Royal Table, you could make a good case for removing Village Haus and replacing it with a ride (you could easily go with Pinocchio's Daring Journey just to keep the theme). That said, I don't see Disney taking out a money maker to replace it with a ride that doesn't add any sort of "wow" factor.
DisneyparkFreak
Active Member
Personally I think that what we got in terms of FL is about it for maybe the remainder of our lifetime. Staggs brought us the SD coaster, if it were not for that we would still be getting ultra-plussed meet and greets. If I were the wizard behind the curtain, I would focus on the rest of the lands... Imagine what the MK would look like with an expansion in every land. Granted this would take 20 years to complete, but the result would be fantastic.
They do need to add more TS restaurants. Maybe have 1 for every land. Could be done I think.
Adventureland - Love the idea of the aladdin E-Ticket idea, using the same technology of spiderman over at IOA would be a great addition. Clone the Indiana jones ride and delete the treehouse and spinner and bingo Adventure land is revamped.
Frontierland - The rumors are that this is the next land to get the expansion. E-Tickets are not necessary here, but a couple of C-D tickets could do the trick. Get rid of Tom Sawyer island and this land is on its way.
Tomorrowland - Actually plus space mountain, the DL version is so much better and smoother. Add another E-Ticket move MILF to Pixarland over at HS, get rid of stitch and you have 2 spaces to put a C-D ticket darkride or something else.
Liberty Square - The land is too small for anything major, but I'm sure something small can be placed there.
Main street USA - There is room for expansion, to what I am not sure. However, I would like to see a restaurant like the club 33 from DL there.
I love the idea of creating a mickey mouse clubhouse land, but I think this would be more appropriate over at HS. Imagine a lifesize clubhouse, you could even put the houses back there. A lot of possibilities with that one.
They do need to add more TS restaurants. Maybe have 1 for every land. Could be done I think.
Adventureland - Love the idea of the aladdin E-Ticket idea, using the same technology of spiderman over at IOA would be a great addition. Clone the Indiana jones ride and delete the treehouse and spinner and bingo Adventure land is revamped.
Frontierland - The rumors are that this is the next land to get the expansion. E-Tickets are not necessary here, but a couple of C-D tickets could do the trick. Get rid of Tom Sawyer island and this land is on its way.
Tomorrowland - Actually plus space mountain, the DL version is so much better and smoother. Add another E-Ticket move MILF to Pixarland over at HS, get rid of stitch and you have 2 spaces to put a C-D ticket darkride or something else.
Liberty Square - The land is too small for anything major, but I'm sure something small can be placed there.
Main street USA - There is room for expansion, to what I am not sure. However, I would like to see a restaurant like the club 33 from DL there.
I love the idea of creating a mickey mouse clubhouse land, but I think this would be more appropriate over at HS. Imagine a lifesize clubhouse, you could even put the houses back there. A lot of possibilities with that one.
Patricia Melton
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Well, here are my thoughts on all of this. I am a mom with two grown kids (in their 30s) and a niece and nephew that I treat as grands until I have some "real" ones of my own. My niece is 12 and my nephew is 10. My son and daughter both still love the parks though and my husband and I treat everyone to a yearly trip to WDW and an every other year trip out to DLR.
Here is the result of an informal family focus group of what my brood would love to see in the future in terms of WDW:
* Tiana's Palace Restaurant and Princess and the Frog Dark Ride: these would be adjacent to one another. My son and my niece LOVE Princess Tiana. She's by far their favorite Disney princess ever. They'd love to see the riverboat turned into a Restaurant somehow...and adjacent to that have the PatF dark ride. I'm no architect, so I'm not sure where to put this, but it would need to be somewhere in between Liberty Square and Frontierland at WDW since there is no New Orleans Square. Could they build it on Tom Sawyer Island or somewhere over there?
* Get rid of the Speedway: my son used to love riding the cars back in the 80s...but during the 90s a lot of Go-Cart places popped up where we lived and he just didn't care as much about riding the ones at Disney. I think the Speedway is ugly and out of place. What I'd LOVE to see happen is for a version of Carsland to be built at DHS and for it to include something that was not built in California: namely, an updated Speedway featuring the Cars cars for little kids to ride. This would kill two birds with one stone because the people who don't want to see this attraction go away would just have to go to DHS to ride it...and the attraction can be so much better than ever by having the Cars cars be part of it. What a fun complement to Radiator Springs Racers it would be.
* Use the Speedway land for a Maleficent roller coaster and new Tomorrowland attractions: WDW needs something for Sleeping Beauty...and wouldn't it be fun to have a coaster where you zoom around like you are riding Samson (Prince Phillip's horse) through a forest of thorns and ultimately battle the dragon and save Aurora with the help of the three fairies. The queue would be a maze of thorns with appearances by Maleficient's goblins and each of the fairies (casting gorgeous light effects in their respective colors of green, red, and blue). The show building would be hidden under a mountain topped by Maleficent's forbidden fortress...and the mountain would be shared with Tomorrowland so that from the Tomorrowland side it would look like a extraterrestrial setting.
* Tomorrowland: have a ride where guest go back in time and see life in each of the eras...from the birth of the planet, through the ancient seas, through the dinosaurs, the prehistoric mammals, and then rocket into the future to see the world one million, ten million, and one hundred million years from now. Also have a ride where guests are shrunk and explore the human body (like the Pixar movie that's coming in a few years). I'd like to see a dark ride that's an alien zoo where omnimovers take you along for a little ride like it's a zoo at the space port. A TRON coaster would be very cool too.
* Adventurer's Club Restaurant in Adventureland, built adjacent to a new E-ticket ride that would have an Egyptian theme (going through a Pharaoh's tomb or something). Characters from the Adventurer's club could be integrated into Jungle Cruise, the new E-ticket, and other places around Adventureland. Really bring the place to life with these characters...and because Disney loves synergy, maybe launch a movie franchise based on these explorers. The new Adventurer's Club restaurant would be quick service during the day and sit down at night like Be Our Guest...but would appeal to families with young boys more than BoG does.
* Frontierland: Western River Expedition with a Lone Ranger presence, as that movie is going to be a nice sized hit. Also add a Wizard of Oz dark ride where you enter through Kansas and exit into an Oz mini land that would somehow connect over into Fantasyland (not sure how, but it would be cool).
These are things my family likes to talk about. My son is an architect and loves fantasy things so most of the ideas came from him.
I really can't express enough how popular Princess Tiana is in our family though. When we were at WDW two years ago, we got to meet her AND Prince Naveen and they were just delightful. Have not seen them since, but everyone keeps talking about meeting Tiana. My niece and nephew especially can't stop talking about it.
Here is the result of an informal family focus group of what my brood would love to see in the future in terms of WDW:
* Tiana's Palace Restaurant and Princess and the Frog Dark Ride: these would be adjacent to one another. My son and my niece LOVE Princess Tiana. She's by far their favorite Disney princess ever. They'd love to see the riverboat turned into a Restaurant somehow...and adjacent to that have the PatF dark ride. I'm no architect, so I'm not sure where to put this, but it would need to be somewhere in between Liberty Square and Frontierland at WDW since there is no New Orleans Square. Could they build it on Tom Sawyer Island or somewhere over there?
* Get rid of the Speedway: my son used to love riding the cars back in the 80s...but during the 90s a lot of Go-Cart places popped up where we lived and he just didn't care as much about riding the ones at Disney. I think the Speedway is ugly and out of place. What I'd LOVE to see happen is for a version of Carsland to be built at DHS and for it to include something that was not built in California: namely, an updated Speedway featuring the Cars cars for little kids to ride. This would kill two birds with one stone because the people who don't want to see this attraction go away would just have to go to DHS to ride it...and the attraction can be so much better than ever by having the Cars cars be part of it. What a fun complement to Radiator Springs Racers it would be.
* Use the Speedway land for a Maleficent roller coaster and new Tomorrowland attractions: WDW needs something for Sleeping Beauty...and wouldn't it be fun to have a coaster where you zoom around like you are riding Samson (Prince Phillip's horse) through a forest of thorns and ultimately battle the dragon and save Aurora with the help of the three fairies. The queue would be a maze of thorns with appearances by Maleficient's goblins and each of the fairies (casting gorgeous light effects in their respective colors of green, red, and blue). The show building would be hidden under a mountain topped by Maleficent's forbidden fortress...and the mountain would be shared with Tomorrowland so that from the Tomorrowland side it would look like a extraterrestrial setting.
* Tomorrowland: have a ride where guest go back in time and see life in each of the eras...from the birth of the planet, through the ancient seas, through the dinosaurs, the prehistoric mammals, and then rocket into the future to see the world one million, ten million, and one hundred million years from now. Also have a ride where guests are shrunk and explore the human body (like the Pixar movie that's coming in a few years). I'd like to see a dark ride that's an alien zoo where omnimovers take you along for a little ride like it's a zoo at the space port. A TRON coaster would be very cool too.
* Adventurer's Club Restaurant in Adventureland, built adjacent to a new E-ticket ride that would have an Egyptian theme (going through a Pharaoh's tomb or something). Characters from the Adventurer's club could be integrated into Jungle Cruise, the new E-ticket, and other places around Adventureland. Really bring the place to life with these characters...and because Disney loves synergy, maybe launch a movie franchise based on these explorers. The new Adventurer's Club restaurant would be quick service during the day and sit down at night like Be Our Guest...but would appeal to families with young boys more than BoG does.
* Frontierland: Western River Expedition with a Lone Ranger presence, as that movie is going to be a nice sized hit. Also add a Wizard of Oz dark ride where you enter through Kansas and exit into an Oz mini land that would somehow connect over into Fantasyland (not sure how, but it would be cool).
These are things my family likes to talk about. My son is an architect and loves fantasy things so most of the ideas came from him.
I really can't express enough how popular Princess Tiana is in our family though. When we were at WDW two years ago, we got to meet her AND Prince Naveen and they were just delightful. Have not seen them since, but everyone keeps talking about meeting Tiana. My niece and nephew especially can't stop talking about it.
In my perfect world, Circusland would never have happened and would have instead been a shared land by both Pixie Hollow and Neverland (including the island, skull rock and Hook's ship). It would have blended perfectly with the water features of Little Mermaid and would have created a seemless land.
A Cars version of the Indy Speedway would be built at DHS as a "race around the world" and would be located around LMA, making the original Speedway expendable. That area should be themed for Tomorrowland, and I love cookie_munster's idea of a Jules Verne-type Mysterious Island attraction there. That type of attraction would do wonders for TL and would make a beautiful transition to Fantasyland.
As for Fantasyland, Peter Pan should be plussed. It makes no sense to me why they designed the FLE to completely landlock the area, but IMO, MK desperately needs some kind of home for M & M. I'd build a proper Toon Town at DHS, but it would be great to have some kind of 'vacation village' for the main five at MK. I could see it just outside of the berm beyond Circusland. I see it beach-themed, with tons of sand and sandcastles and the vacation homes for the main five right in the beach.
Unfortunately, if TDO were going to spend any more money on Fantasyland, we wouldn't have Circusland. Circusland was a downgrade so that the budget could be used on the SWMT (so that would probably mean the money is spent - at least for the next 10-15 years).
A Cars version of the Indy Speedway would be built at DHS as a "race around the world" and would be located around LMA, making the original Speedway expendable. That area should be themed for Tomorrowland, and I love cookie_munster's idea of a Jules Verne-type Mysterious Island attraction there. That type of attraction would do wonders for TL and would make a beautiful transition to Fantasyland.
As for Fantasyland, Peter Pan should be plussed. It makes no sense to me why they designed the FLE to completely landlock the area, but IMO, MK desperately needs some kind of home for M & M. I'd build a proper Toon Town at DHS, but it would be great to have some kind of 'vacation village' for the main five at MK. I could see it just outside of the berm beyond Circusland. I see it beach-themed, with tons of sand and sandcastles and the vacation homes for the main five right in the beach.
Unfortunately, if TDO were going to spend any more money on Fantasyland, we wouldn't have Circusland. Circusland was a downgrade so that the budget could be used on the SWMT (so that would probably mean the money is spent - at least for the next 10-15 years).
Tim Lohr
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ImagineeringDisney.com has some great "Then and Now" photos of Disneyland's Fantasyland, I was surprised how much their dark ride facades from 30 years ago look like what's in WDW today
Peter Pan "Then"
Peter Pan "Now"
http://www.imagineeringdisney.com/blog/2012/6/21/new-fantasyland-1983.html
Peter Pan "Then"
Peter Pan "Now"
http://www.imagineeringdisney.com/blog/2012/6/21/new-fantasyland-1983.html
Uncle Lupe
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Pixie Hollow. I may get flamed but I stand by that statement.
I don't know why you'd get flamed for that. Pixie Hollow should have some kind of home in Fantasyland - it doesn't need to be a major part, but it should have a home there.
The area around the bathrooms (and across from Peter Pan) would have been perfect. There should be room for Repunzel someplace within the Fantasy Forest and she would fit better there with the rest of the Princesses.
ImagineeringDisney.com has some great "Then and Now" photos of Disneyland's Fantasyland, I was surprised how much their dark ride facades from 30 years ago look like what's in WDW today
Peter Pan "Then"
Peter Pan "Now"
http://www.imagineeringdisney.com/blog/2012/6/21/new-fantasyland-1983.html
The "faire" look of our Fantasyland is horrid. Obviously the powers at DL thought the same thing.
cookiee_munster
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ImagineeringDisney.com has some great "Then and Now" photos of Disneyland's Fantasyland, I was surprised how much their dark ride facades from 30 years ago look like what's in WDW today
Peter Pan "Then"
Peter Pan "Now"
http://www.imagineeringdisney.com/blog/2012/6/21/new-fantasyland-1983.html
O.M.G that is incredible! what a change, and definitely for the better! this is exactly what WDW should be receiving. something like it anyway...
olinecoach61
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I love this idea!
doctornick
Well-Known Member
I have thought that Bambi -- and other animal based franchises -- would fit in better in the Animal Kingdom. Some sort of "Critter Country" with dark rides, M&Gs and attractions based on Disney cartoons like Bambi, Jungle Book, Pocahontas, Mr. Toad, Lady & the Tramp, 101 Dalmations, The Aristocats, etc. would be great.
vinnya1726
Active Member
What a great idea