HockityPockity
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I took my parents 2 trips ago, my mother ended up needing a wheelchair for traveling around the parks, VERY traumatic for her. Miss Jazzercise used to OWN those walkways, NOTHING would slow her down, aging SUCKS.
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I think I might be done with WDW.
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21stamps
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That had to be frustrating for her.
I know that my dad would need one, I also know that he is too stubborn to use one. So what would end up happening is- he would be miserable and regret how much money he was spending to be miserable.
I’d love for them to come to Disney with us, but they take my kiddo on vacation for 10 days every July, so I won’t complain too much.
Starlight67
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BUT, I guess there's a hitch (according to the FoxNews article I read on this Club Level pay-to-play extra fastpass option.) There is a stipulation that each guest buy a minimum of THREE days of the extra fast passes. So now you are talking $150.00 per guest, minimum.
In this case, if Disney starts selling additional FPs, how does that affect the current FP inventory? Are free FPs going to be harder to get? OR, will they simply add more FPs to the inventory and pull more guests from the FP line, making the standby line move even slower? Either way, I don't see it as a good change.
That's what I was thinking. Wondering how it will affect the regular guest.
Tony the Tigger
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If everyone on this board got together and sent the same unified message to Disney...it wouldn’t change a thing.
You aren’t going to change the minds of those of us who still love it or go with the flow. You can commiserate with other DISgruntleds. (Ha!) But you aren’t going to change a thing whether you go or don’t go, whether all of us go or don’t go. We are a tiny, tiny bunch - possibly a more high maintenance bunch - and Disney goes on just fine, thank you. It will take a self-inflicted wound to take them down, like consistent bombs at the box office or outright failure of a new park.
So what should you do? For the love of Pete, stop bringing the rest of us down who just want to enjoy ourselves chatting about The World. Can we designate a section for the DISgruntleds like we did with the politics thread?
Been to that Great Adventure many times. An Aunt used to buy AP’s for the cousins. I think the last was around 1992/3 and may have been $60-ish. You could also get cheap tix with a soda can back then. (Oh, the magic they never had is gone lol.)
To all complaining about big business/Disney: they didn’t change the rules; but the rules have changed (some time ago.) All the huge businesses act like that now - short term payoff, make pretty for Wall Street. If they don’t conform to that, they fail or get portrayed as failing and/or get bought out/taken over. Walt’s days are over and not coming back. Quarterly earnings rule. It’s not their fault, it’s today’s landscape in business. Set your expectations accordingly.
eliza61nyc
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Personally guys I like complaints. Maybe it's because I grew up in my family's restaurant and we much rather hear you complain and give us a chance to fix it then to stop coming back.
Next, while some folks see complaints as silly or not doing any thing, they are still helpful information IMO. for example I have always wanted to stay at the Boardwalk resort and villas but everyone complains about the long hallways. that's good information for me especially since I some times travel with an 83 year old MIL who refuses to use a scooter or wheelchair. so when she vacations with us I know not to book the Broadwalk.
Look at it this way, if your a first timer, knowing that when the parks close the buses can be insanely packed can help you arrange your day. I'm going in April with 3 first timers, one is a cancer survivor. I want them to see illuminations so my plan is at the end of the night just chill at France and have a grand mariner slushie while we wait for the hordes to leave.
Lastly, I do think Disney changes. some times it takes a while but they do come around. I don't know if anyone remembers maybe 7 years back when the souvenirs really sucked. every thing was either "hannah Montanna" or the non descript Disney 20XX, fill in the date. There evidently were huge outcries about that. the resort specific stuff had disappeared and Mylie Cyrus's face was every where. Now it's better. I know, I know folks don't go to the world to go shopping but some of us like going into the shops and that was a welcome change.
Next, while some folks see complaints as silly or not doing any thing, they are still helpful information IMO. for example I have always wanted to stay at the Boardwalk resort and villas but everyone complains about the long hallways. that's good information for me especially since I some times travel with an 83 year old MIL who refuses to use a scooter or wheelchair. so when she vacations with us I know not to book the Broadwalk.
Look at it this way, if your a first timer, knowing that when the parks close the buses can be insanely packed can help you arrange your day. I'm going in April with 3 first timers, one is a cancer survivor. I want them to see illuminations so my plan is at the end of the night just chill at France and have a grand mariner slushie while we wait for the hordes to leave.
Lastly, I do think Disney changes. some times it takes a while but they do come around. I don't know if anyone remembers maybe 7 years back when the souvenirs really sucked. every thing was either "hannah Montanna" or the non descript Disney 20XX, fill in the date. There evidently were huge outcries about that. the resort specific stuff had disappeared and Mylie Cyrus's face was every where. Now it's better. I know, I know folks don't go to the world to go shopping but some of us like going into the shops and that was a welcome change.
Tony the Tigger
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Most of those are practical, actionable complaints, and depending on the tone, can be portrayed as constructive criticism and as you said, helpful to planning.
What I see as pointless is the “Disney is a business, cash grab, what would Walt do,” all that stuff that is not practical or actionable, just whining.
eliza61nyc
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lol, I have never understood the "what would Walt do" line. I don't know much about Walt Disney was he a particularly pious person? every time I see that I think to myself, "I have got to get me a book on dude".
njDizFan
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Pious, no, I don't think that would be a term to describe to Disney. Highly motivated, talented and with a strong creative vision of what he wanted to accomplish. I know people hate this comparison but he is akin to Steve Jobs. He was not without his flaws for sure but he (with a strong team behind him) completely redefined the world of animation and of course theme parks. True blue ocean thinker, he created a space that has never existed and it is still this day the apex of themed entertainment. Of course he was only around for Disneyland but his legacy is what drove the people that came after.
People argue back and forth on his business acumen and his choices. He obviously was in business to make money but I don't think that he measured his success on yearly revenue. It was more of a means to create further and advance his ideas into fruition.
Disneyhead'71
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Easy to lump your FP+ together if staying on-prop and booking 60 days out. Far more difficult for a local AP holder who decided this morning to go to DAK today.
And by wandering the park, I really mean "Doin' the Disney Shuffle" (shuffling en mass, herd style).
eliza61nyc
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Unfortunately I definitely think the game is rigged for on site, multi day visitors. I do think the days of going like that maybe coming to an end.
Disneyhead'71
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I'm not renewing my AP.
OneofThree
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Truth, emphasis mine.
Disneyhead'71
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I actually made the joke to @marni1971 that I was going to invent a belt with brake lights so people would stop running into me any time I stopped.
I totally agree with so many things that were said. I would like to add I've been going since 1973 I have seen the parks become more about gearing to thrill rides that you can go to amusement parks and find.Disney was suppose to be about family and sharing a magical time with Mickey and his friends. Epcot was suppose to be about learning about the future and science. Now you have festivals that showcase drinking . The atmosphere is bad behavior and language. The rides that were teaching are gone. It's become about money not magic and I for one find that sad.
NickMaio
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---Seriously, it just doesn’t make sense to constantly complain about things that can’t be changed.----
I will never understand this mentality?
Without voicing your opinion change will NEVER happen?This goes for all things in life, not just theme parks.
If no one complains NOTHING will ever change for the better.
I will never understand this mentality?
Without voicing your opinion change will NEVER happen?This goes for all things in life, not just theme parks.
If no one complains NOTHING will ever change for the better.
Tony the Tigger
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Complaining to random people who aren’t Disney managers is not changing anything.
Complaining about the big picture of how big business is run for Wall Street will especially not change anything.
I am the first one to speak up when something is actually wrong, but not to nitpick.
And personally, I much prefer constructive criticism to “complaining.” It’s usually better received and addressed.
There’s a difference between pointing out your personal experiences (hopefully both good and bad, balanced and credible) to other fans who can take that information and do with it what they will, vs. thinking you’re going to build some kind of consensus and change someone else’s company.
NickMaio
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There is a whole Disney department whose sole job is to read forum comments and complaints across the globe, not just NA......even though you think we are just complaining to strangers - Disney is actually watching and taking notes.
I know this fist hand - -I have a cousin who works in this department. He was hired 2 months ago. He works at the California location that searches North America.
Tony the Tigger
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My God, that must be hell lol.