[Huge News] Nintendo Reveals Revolution's Controller

[imagineer99]

Why do you want to look normal? What is normal even? You certainly dont look normal with a pair of "Konga" drums between your legs bashing away, but it is immense fun.

Nintendo thrives at innovation and new ideas (that is why I like them so much). Then Sony comes in and copies them and the ideas hit the mainstream. Without being different there would be no point in Nintendo even exisiting.


(...and being able to turn of the console from the controller. It is a "Why hasn't somebody done this before?" moment)

I care about games...not gimmicks. Sure stuff like Nintendogs is innovative. But is it fun to play? I have a pet, I don't need to scratch a stylus on a screen in order to get a warm fuzzy feeling. As for Donkey Konga, I have too much respect for myself to tap plastic konga drums so that a monkey dances on screen...

Besides, that doesn't change the fact that Nintendo has been mute about Revolution's system specs, its capabilites, and most importantly THE GAMES. Only the diehard nintendo faithful are going to drop $300 on a system to play mario with a contoller that looks like a bicycle pump

As for being able to turn off the cosole via the controller, I believe (could be wrong) the 360 already has this capability.

 

[DarkMeasures]

I care about games...not gimmicks. Sure stuff like Nintendogs is innovative. But is it fun to play? I have a pet, I don't need to scratch a stylus on a screen in order to get a warm fuzzy feeling. As for Donkey Konga, I have too much respect for myself to tap plastic konga drums so that a monkey dances on screen...

Besides, that doesn't change the fact that Nintendo has been mute about Revolution's system specs, its capabilites, and most importantly THE GAMES. Only the diehard nintendo faithful are going to drop $300 on a system to play mario with a contoller that looks like a bicycle pump

As for being able to turn off the cosole via the controller, I believe (could be wrong) the 360 already has this capability.

How exactly is this controller a Gimmick? Did you even read up on it? Plus, with Metroid Prime 3 coming out, there is one good game already taking great advantage of the controller. Plus, I would read the reviews from Gamespot.

Gamespot Revolution Tech Demo Reviews

Like said in the link, they created a version of Metroid Prime 2 that uses the controller. Every sight I have read of those who have tested this demo stated that the controls work better than Keyboard and Mouse.

 

[imagineer99]

Look, if you think its cool, go for it. I'm not trying to influence others. Just my tiny opinion. Nintendo has become the Apple of game consoles. It's focusing on a niche market. It's not a bad thing, but they are alienating the core gamers that started out as Nintendo lovers....I grew up playing Zelda and Mario. It's sad to see them isolated on a lonely system with such a tiny market share.

Call me crazy, but when I play games, I don't want to have to move my hands wildly...
I like to sit, relax and enjoy the experience. As for games, nothing has been officially shown...You are sold on a system that has no games.

I'm not a "fanboy" of any company. I'm a fanboy of intelligent, and entertaing video games. Lately Nintendo hasn't been cutting it. Warioware minigames and Nintendogs are just not fun.

 

[DarkMeasures]

But you are still not understanding the object. First of all, Nintendo is targeting three audiences.
1. Non-gamers
2. Casual Gamers
3. Hardcore gamers

They aren't building this for a niche market and Nintendogs and the brain excercise games are proof.

But your biggest misunderstanding is still the controller. The handmovements can be extreme but you will get the exact same results by moving the remote to a lesser extent than the mouse.

I do know wait until a game is shown but I am already sold on Metroid Prime 3. A Metroid game has never dissapointed me and the controls for the Revolution version are already shown to be perfect. Heck, I might even just buy Metroid and just ignore everything else.

 

[NemoRocks78]

As for being able to turn off the cosole via the controller, I believe (could be wrong) the 360 already has this capability.

That is correct.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Sometimes you just gotta say, "hmmmmmm."

 

[MKCustodial]

I love it how Nintendo already stated that the Revolution won't be competing with the others in terms of graphics and such. I mean, what's the great "evolution" from PS2 to PS3? Better graphics and loading time? Big woop! You gotta have the visual capabilities of an insect to actually see any difference between the games that come out to all systems nowadays. In fact, my brother only has a PS2 because he can get games for 20 bucks on the "popular market" as opposed to the official 220 bucks we gotta pay for Cube games.
Still, Revolution will accept Cube games, so I'm there. I'll be able to download old N64 and SNES games, so I'm there again. And it looks like it'll be great playing stuff like Mario Kart with this new controller, so I'm there to stay.
And remember, Myamoto said developers will find cheaper to create games to Revolution than to the other systems, and that it'll be easier and more intuitive making them for the new controller. Activision and Sega, that I remember, have already mentioned they're excited about the new concept, and EA is already producing sports games for it.

 

[imagineer99]

Still, Revolution will accept Cube games, so I'm there. I'll be able to download old N64 and SNES games, so I'm there again. And it looks like it'll be great playing stuff like Mario Kart with this new controller, so I'm there to stay.

Yeah, I already have a mystical device that can play old games....Its called a computer. Not to mention there's still the ole' super nintendo in the basement (best system of all time)

And remember, Myamoto said developers will find cheaper to create games to Revolution than to the other systems, and that it'll be easier and more intuitive making them for the new controller. Activision and Sega, that I remember, have already mentioned they're excited about the new concept, and EA is already producing sports games for it.

Nintendo has always had trouble getting third party support. Besides RE4, I can't think of one truly great gamecube game this year from a third party. There's something wrong there. Myamoto can spout all he wants, the fact of the matter is that most good games for a Nintendo system come from Nintendo.

As for the capabilites of other next gen systems, I must say I think your undermining what they are setting out to do. In my opinion, the next evolution in gaming has little to do with graphics or gimmicks. After playing a masterpiece like Half Life 2, it is clear that games are about defining, tangible engaging worlds. The increased power of the PS3 (and to a much lesser extent the 360) allow for dynamic physics, dynamic artificial intelligence and changing, evolving storylines. Games are an artform...finally with more technology we will be able to play experiences so immersive, suspension of disbelief won't be necessary.

Aa a gamer, I want the "Killzone Trailer" experience (CG or not), not a controller that can be used to pop virtual baloons by moving it forward.

 

[MKCustodial]

Yeah, I already have a mystical device that can play old games....Its called a computer. Not to mention there's still the ole' super nintendo in the basement (best system of all time)

Hey, if you're happy playing videogames on a computer emulator...

Nintendo has always had trouble getting third party support. Besides RE4, I can't think of one truly great gamecube game this year from a third party. There's something wrong there. Myamoto can spout all he wants, the fact of the matter is that most good games for a Nintendo system come from Nintendo.

As for the capabilites of other next gen systems, I must say I think your undermining what they are setting out to do. In my opinion, the next evolution in gaming has little to do with graphics or gimmicks. After playing a masterpiece like Half Life 2, it is clear that games are about defining, tangible engaging worlds. The increased power of the PS3 (and to a much lesser extent the 360) allow for dynamic physics, dynamic artificial intelligence and changing, evolving storylines. Games are an artform...finally with more technology we will be able to play experiences so immersive, suspension of disbelief won't be necessary.

Aa a gamer, I want the "Killzone Trailer" experience (CG or not), not a controller that can be used to pop virtual baloons by moving it forward.

Like you said before, I'm not here to change anyone's opinion. I just think it's pretty naive to shoot down something on its development stage. You think Half-Life 2 is awesome. I've never played and frankly don't intend to. To me it's just another pretty shooter. And that's all Sony and Microsoft have: they keep releasing prettier versions of the same games. You think that's inovative, I think it's a gimmick.
The 3rd parties seem excited about Revolution. So am I, and I'll be waiting for more news about its games in the coming months.

Oh, and you asked about a great 3rd party Cube game? Just from the top of my head, X-Men Legends, TimeSplitters 2, Smuggler's Run, SoulCalibur. There are plenty more, probably. :lol:

 

[DarkMeasures]

^ He said this year. ^

In which he is right. I mean the Gamecube is horrible with support.

But, so many big named developers have taken interest already. I mean Kojima and Molyneux. If these guys decide to follow through with games, the Revolution may have absolutly no problem at all gathering support.

 

[imagineer99]

I just think it's pretty naive to shoot down something on its development stage. You think Half-Life 2 is awesome. I've never played and frankly don't intend to. To me it's just another pretty shooter. And that's all Sony and Microsoft have: they keep releasing prettier versions of the same games. You think that's inovative, I think it's a gimmick.

Oh, and you asked about a great 3rd party Cube game? Just from the top of my head, X-Men Legends, TimeSplitters 2, Smuggler's Run, SoulCalibur. There are plenty more, probably. :lol:

All those games came out prior to this year...Not to mention they are available all other systems as well.

Please, if you've never played Half Life 2, just do not comment on it. It wasn't game of the year strictly because it was "pretty." Speaking of naive...

I just feel Nintendo is missing the boat. Obviously they're going to keep the hardcore followers (such as yourself), but if I were them I would have started a campaign to recapture the marketshare. They went from number one to number three offly quickly. Be innovative, yes, but create techonology that can compete with the major players. Gamecube hit after X-Box and PS2 and was LESS POWERFUL! Its primary demographic skews to a very young set That's not a good situation to be in.

Honestly, if Revolution becomes more popular than 360, PC, or PS3, I'll be more than happy to eat my words just to see Nintendo on top again.

As for releasing the same games over again...how many Mario Party games are there? Aren't you guys getting Mario DDR to top the December gamecube lineup ? How many Pokemon games are there? Rehashing has always been a fault of the gaming industry, and Nintendo has done more than its share.

I really can't believe that people are so excited that they can play the original mario brothers (which will most likely cost money to download) on a next generation system. I want games...I want to see stuff running. It's hard for me to feel optimistic when Nintendo shows me a quirky controller and the promise of playing the original zelda in HD. 'Nuff said.

On a sidenote, I've had a lot of fun talking about this, actually. So, thanks for taking the time to respon MKCustodial and Darkmeasures. :wave:

 

[MKCustodial]

^ He said this year. ^

All those games came out prior to this year...Not to mention they are available all other systems as well.

Sorry, didn't see he meant this year only. And yeah, they're out for al systems but they're still 3rd party. So? Who has a Cube is able to play them.

Please, if you've never played Half Life 2, just do not comment on it. It wasn't game of the year strictly because it was "pretty." Speaking of naive...

Why can't I comment on it? We're all comenting on something that's still a good year from being released, including yourself. I just don't care for Half-Life, the same way you have every right of not caring for Revolution.

On a sidenote, I've had a lot of fun talking about this, actually. So, thanks for taking the time to respon MKCustodial and Darkmeasures.

Hey, same here. I was dying to actually discuss this with people! My friends haven't been over this weekend... :lol:

 

[ntoeman]

When I first saw it the other day, I really wasn't thinking too positively about it. I was kinda thinking hello PS3 or XBox 360, but the more I've read, this really could be a turn for the future of video games. I watched a video that's online somewhere and I think Revolution may be pretty cool.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Nintendo has always had trouble getting third party support.

Well...no. That's not true. It had fantastic third party support during the NES era and hands down the best third party support for any system ever in the SNES. It did, however, drop the ball with the N64 and that trend continued with the GameCube.

As for the topic at hand, when I first saw and read about the Revolution's controller, I was very turned off. It looked unwieldy and too unconventional. But then I started reading about its capabilities and the possibilities for any genre are remarkable. IGN posted a great article that outlines the controller's possibilities with established genres.

I will wait until I see games, some sort of third party support, and feel the controller in my hand, but after being a disappointed GameCube owner who never planned on buying a Revolution, I might be back on board.

Oh, and as for the controller being unsightly... have you seen the PS3's Bat-A-Rang?

--Mark

 

[ogryn]

And while it can also potentially tap into a wide base of users (perhaps contrary to this report posted to Bloomberg just hours ago), the new controller also happens to make the Xbox 360 pad and the 'boomerang' DualShock3 look outdated before they've even gone on sale.
http://www.edge-online.co.uk/archives/2005/09/nintendo_starts.php

Edge are probably the most upmarket multi-format magazine over here.

 

[imagineer99]

Well...no. That's not true. It had fantastic third party support during the NES era and hands down the best third party support for any system ever in the SNES. It did, however, drop the ball with the N64 and that trend continued with the GameCube.


--Mark

No, your right...I should have made myself clear... Since VIRTUAL BOY (the biggest Nintendo failure of them all) Nintendo has had trouble getting third party support for their home consoles.

However, I should note, the portable gameboy division has always done quite well in that area...Even with the more powerful PSP, for some reason people keep on buying SP and DS.

One thing I will never understand, for such an innovative company, why did Nintendo hold on to the "cartridge" format for so long?

 

[imagineer99]

Alright, me again,

I've just done some serious reading on the Revolution's controller...

And my position has softened. Do I really like it? No. However, I see the potential is there. Plus, if a "shell" is created as Ogryn posted the phony concept art of, than normality resumes. Because, honestly, you ain't playing madden with a remote control.

My biggest problem is simple: What if you are not level with the console/television screen. I'm usually looking up (playing on the floor) when I play my X-Box. So, with the case of the Revolution, would that mean I would always be tilted "up" (because that's how I comfortably hold the controller.) Seems like too many issues would arise with this (i.e. you unintentionally drop the controller because your hand gets tired of holding it up).

I've already decided to pass on the 360 (there's too much good stuff coming out this holiday season for PC and X-Box). If PS3, can deliver the killzone experience, I'm sold. As for Revolution, we need games...darn it! Show us some friggin software.

 

[MKCustodial]

Yesterday, me and my brother were telling my sister-in-law about the new controller. We picked up the TV remote and tried explaining to her. She was skeptical untill we told her how you'd only need to tilt the thing forward or back or up or down for the action on the screen to follow you. She was sold. Her exact words were: "Cool! Now you two won't be mad at me for yanking on the controller when we're playing!" You know how it is, how some people roll the controller to help the little car on the screen go around the corner? :lol:

 

[matrtj]

Had to laugh at that write-up from Edge mag - 'This device, which Miyamoto refers to as "the nunchuck", adds a corded GameCube-like analogue stick ' - that'll be PERFECT for hitting my brother-in-law if I start to loose - much better stopping power than a normal controller!

 

[NowInc]

One thing I will never understand, for such an innovative company, why did Nintendo hold on to the "cartridge" format for so long?

ooo! ooo!! I KNOW I KNOW!!!

Becauuuuuse...guess who owns the licencing rights on the technology for CDs

Anyone?....anyone?...buler?....buler??

SONY!!

They didn't want to end up having to pay sony for every game sold for a CD based system so they stayed strubborn and suffered for it..

im sure you all know the story of how sony and nintendo were working together on a project which basically lead to sony releasing the playstation (more complex story...but im just summing it up)

I still stand firm in my opinion that microsoft and Nintendo should work together...let nintendo handle a hand held market while MS deals with the console department. Just imaging the possibilities...Zelda on a 360...oh yeah...i just peed a little...