HSR Coming to FLA, AKA "See I told you so"

[jt04]

Actually JT, your entire argument before diverged into some rambling dissertation on how Florida would get these funds and essentially nowhere else, because of political reasons. And what you ignored then (as now), is the process. Just becaue the President is making one announcement in Tampa doesn't mean the funds are all being sent there. In fact, other rail announcements are going to be made throughout the country by members of the Obama Administration, including in California, which you said would get any money because of the way in voted in the last election.

Oh, and another thing, just because the project is "shovel ready" in your convoluted mind, doesn't mean the project is going to start right away. Try reading a newspaper outside the "OrSen" and you'll see the precise process I trying explaining to you has to be undertaken:

"Florida is well positioned, having secured most of the right of way and completing an environmental impact study. In the coming year, the project would be put out to bid and construction could begin in early 2011."

Wow, what are the odds? The State of Florida actually has to find someone to do the work for them? Go figure. I guess things don't work as neatly as you want them to Jt.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politi...-to-tampa-for-florida-high-speed-rail/1068768

Now you are just misrepresenting the facts. I said no such thing. Work out your issues on someone else, I won't play your childish game. :wave:

 

[jt04]

If WDW gets a stop, who funds it? If I were a tax payer Id be wondering why one comercial company was being favoured over others.

TWDC is funding it's own station and probably subsidizing more. The I-4 corridor goes through Disney property so they are not rerouting to their benefit. It's all legit.

 

[jt04]

The Magical Express luggage component is a big selling point for many travelers - with HSR you would need to claim your own luggage and drag it to the train. The Disney Resort check in service for participating airlines also magically takes your luggage back to your plane when you are leaving WDW, as Magical Express takes you back to the airport.

If they did discontinue Magical Express, and travelers took their luggage on the HSR to Disney's station, Disney would need to have transport from that station to the resorts that would allow luggage to be taken onboard; current Disney transportation does not allow, and is not designed for, luggage to be transferred with the guest.

I believe your luggage will be transfered through by a seperate service once you check in at your departure flight. Now this is an RFID concept I can like. Your luggage will "magically" arrive at your resort. Most likely through ground transport seperate from the train.

 

[jt04]

Why would this announcement prompt anyone to want to apologize to jt?

And further, why would anyone actually do it, even if prompted?

You should apologize for being too serious.

 

[DisneyJoe]

I believe your luggage will be transfered through by a seperate service once you check in at your departure flight. Now this is an RFID concept I can like. Your luggage will "magically" arrive at your resort. Most likely through ground transport seperate from the train.

This happens now, but not with RFID - they currently use luggage tags with barcodes.

Perhaps DME would have a train service that includes the train transfers as part of your Disney Resort reservation....but then you will still need to switch to a mode of transport to get to your resort.

Personally, I'd rather get on one bus and be dropped directly at my resort (even with 1 or 2 stops on the way) than need to get on the train and then off again onto another mode of transport to get to my resort.

 

[wm49rs]

Now you are just misrepresenting the facts. I said no such thing. Work out your issues on someone else, I won't play your childish game. :wave:

Ok, Jt, now you're just in denial. Man, you must really hate not getting the love you think you so richly deserve....

 

[jt04]

This happens now, but not with RFID - they currently use luggage tags with barcodes.

Perhaps DME would have a train service that includes the train transfers as part of your Disney Resort reservation....but then you will still need to switch to a mode of transport to get to your resort.

Personally, I'd rather get on one bus and be dropped directly at my resort (even with 1 or 2 stops on the way) than need to get on the train and then off again onto another mode of transport to get to my resort.

Nobody has ever suggested going green would be convienent.

Think of it as doing your part to reduce your carbon footprint and save the world.

 

[jt04]

Ok, Jt, now you're just in denial. Man, you must really hate not getting the love you think you so richly deserve....

Yeah, right. :lol:

:zipit:

 

[MousDad]

You should apologize for being too serious.

Not serious, this is the most fun I'll have all day.

I think it's great entertainment that TP and 74 said something would never happen, you said it would, and it will. I'm sure you were rewarding yourself all night.

But the fact that you found it necessary to post the update to the situation in the thread where it belongs, and then turn around and obnoxiously grandstand your own new thread about it is ... is ...

well, like I said, probably the most fun I'll have all day.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Ok, Jt, now you're just in denial. Man, you must really hate not getting the love you think you so richly deserve....

 

[jt04]

Not serious, this is the most fun I'll have all day.

I think it's great entertainment that TP and 74 said something would never happen, you said it would, and it will. I'm sure you were rewarding yourself all night.

But the fact that you found it necessary to post the update to the situation in the thread where it belongs, and then turn around and obnoxiously grandstand your own new thread about it is ... is ...

well, like I said, probably the most fun I'll have all day.

I'm just geting started. :lol:

There are several items I got flamed over by the usual suspects. And when I turn out to be right, rest assured they will be reminded.

Of course I will be my usual humble self.

 

[wm49rs]

Just remember these quotes Jt, before crowing any more:

"I agree. I think Cali might have disqualified itself until it gets it's fiscal house in order. Why would the feds throw Cali a bunch of money when it is obvious they can't finish the project at this point."

Just too bad the administration is giving monies for an 800-mile project...

"That money allocated for high speed rail is viewed as political leverage and it will not be handed out without the possibility of something in return. Such as electoral votes. Cali has nothing to offer because politically the die is cast (as they only vote one way) not to mention financially."

Again, way to call the ball there.....

 

[kapeman]

It's not inconceivable to me that high speed trains could become more desirable than air travel on moderate distance routes, even routes that are already served by air.

I second that.

Air travel sucks!

And has been made even worse by all the security theater crap!

 

[jt04]

Just remember these quotes Jt, before crowing any more:

"I agree. I think Cali might have disqualified itself until it gets it's fiscal house in order. Why would the feds throw Cali a bunch of money when it is obvious they can't finish the project at this point."

Just too bad the administration is giving monies for an 800-mile project...

"That money allocated for high speed rail is viewed as political leverage and it will not be handed out without the possibility of something in return. Such as electoral votes. Cali has nothing to offer because politically the die is cast (as they only vote one way) not to mention financially."

Again, way to call the ball there.....

Way to seperate the content from it's context. Now your just acting desperate. It is possible California has disqualified itself through fiscal irresponsibility. I'll stand by that claim.

Evidently the funds are being split by more projects than anyone anticipated. California will be getting a pittance compared to what they need, if anything. Sorry, that is just the reality of the situation.

They were expecting the bulk of the 8 billion. We will soon see how that worked out for them.

 

[RSoxNo1]

If WDW gets a stop, who funds it? If I were a tax payer Id be wondering why one comercial company was being favoured over others.

Presumably because that one commercial company is one that thousands of other companies in the area depend upon.

 

[wm49rs]

Way to seperate the content from it's context. Now your just acting desperate. It is possible California has disqualified itself through fiscal irresponsibility. I'll stand by that claim.

Evidently the funds are being split by more projects than anyone anticipated. California will be getting a pittance compared to what they need, if anything. Sorry, that is just the reality of the situation.

They were expecting the bulk of the 8 billion. We will soon see how that worked out for them.

Such a weak statement, Jt, considering the first one is a complete quote and the second simply eliminated your pathetic reference to "Chicago" politics...

And every locale was hoping for a piece of the pie. Just too bad for you that your idea on how the monies would be spread out didn't come through the way you thought it would. Kind of like the fact the project in Florida would start right away and not be put out for a bid. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument or anything....

 

[jt04]

Such a weak statement, Jt, considering the first one is a complete quote and the second simply eliminated your pathetic reference to "Chicago" politics...

And every locale was hoping for a piece of the pie. Just too bad for you that your idea on how the monies would be spread out didn't come through the way you thought it would. Kind of like the fact the project in Florida would start right away and not be put out for a bid. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument or anything....

I honestly can't make sense of what you are trying to say as you are rambling now. :hammer:

Anyway, here is the breakdown. Cali is getting about a third of what they were hoping for.

Other transportation corridors that received funding are: California for $2.34 billion, Washington and Oregon for $598 million, Illinois and Missouri for $1.13 billion, Minnesota and Wisconsin for $823 million, Ohio for $400 million, Michigan for $244 million, North Carolina and Virginia for $620 million, New York for $151 million, Maine for $35 million, Washington, D.C., to Boston for $112 million, Pennsylvania for $27 million, New England for $160 million and other regions for $27 million.

 

[wm49rs]

I honestly can't make sense of what you are trying to say as you are rambling now. :hammer:

Anyway, here is the breakdown. Cali is getting about a third of what they were hoping for.

Other transportation corridors that received funding are: California for $2.34 billion, Washington and Oregon for $598 million, Illinois and Missouri for $1.13 billion, Minnesota and Wisconsin for $823 million, Ohio for $400 million, Michigan for $244 million, North Carolina and Virginia for $620 million, New York for $151 million, Maine for $35 million, Washington, D.C., to Boston for $112 million, Pennsylvania for $27 million, New England for $160 million and other regions for $27 million.

That usually happens to you when logic and fact are envoked....

 

[wm49rs]

But what of "going green"? This is not about jobs, it's about "going green" and reducing carbon footprints. You need to do your part too.

Not about jobs? Why do you think this investment was mentioned in the SOTU Address? Because it means tens, if not hundreds of thousand new jobs across 31 states. The green impact is indeed an excellent aspect, but it's the jobs that are the real story....

 

[TimeTrip]

Can someone please explain how after all this is built, how it's actually expected to turn a profit? It seems like there *might* be profitability with a run from the airport to Disney and the convention center. However, it still has a problem that is always brought up as a reason the monorail at Disney will never be expanded. That is, people don't like transferring to get from point A to point B. Point to point service is just too convenient. So you take the rail from the airport to some station... then you have to transfer again to get to your hotel. Then reverse it for the trip back to the airport. Throw luggage in the mix.. and frustration sets in.

Still, let's presume that they're able to make that run mildly profitable. How would a run from Tampa up to Orlando make money? It seems that in that corridor, point to point service (your car) reign supreme. Visitors from Tampa probably normally just drive a car. What would motivate most of them to take a train?

Then of course there's the point that if the Amtrak Northeast corridor can't make money, how would this turn a profit? I believe that corridor is probably one of the busiest rail corridors in the US.

While it is cool and flashy, IMO HSR looks to be a money pit once it's built.