How would YOU fix DCA?

[PiratesMansion]

Also DCA is the best domestic park to spend a day at, I don’t understand this thread. Yeah avengers campus need some plus ups and Monsters Inc could disappear and no one would even notice, but it’s a damn good collection of rides and activities with 2 masterfully themed lands.

If DCA is the best to spend a day at, I guess there’s no reason for me to visit the other three WDW parks.

Yikes.

This might be a "grass is greener" situation. Every park has its merits. I'm most frustrated by DCA, which can make it harder for me to appreciate what it does well, but the fact that I've spent considerably more time there than any of the WDW second gates is undoubtedly a factor in my feeling the way I do.

For me personally, I'd take DAK any day over DCA. While I haven't been to DHS since 2017, from afar and on paper I would take DHS for its attraction lineup AND table service dining options over DCA.

I'm sure DHS is considerably less fun to experience in reality, but I'd probably take killer over filler at this point, honestly. At least the ride at the end of the queue would be likely more satisfying than I find to be the case at DCA.

 

[CastAStone]

I have to assume your primary interest in Disney parks is seeing characters, because that's the only "improvement" to DCA over the last several years. Paradise Pier, Tower of Terror, and Bug's Land were all more pleasant areas than the lands and attraction which replaced them.

No, it’s having a nice day.

I don’t think Pixar Pier is better or worse than Paradise Pier; I think the carousel retheming was nice for my kids. California Screamin and Incredicoaster are/were both fantastic, barely themed rides. The midway is similar. Flik’s Flyers vs Inside Out is a wash.

I think A Bugs Land was a poor use of space. The theming was extraordinary. Avengers Campus theming is underwhelming (but very fixable!), except the Spider-Man show area. But the Spider-Man ride more than makes up for it. Overall that’s an upgrade in terms of my enjoyment of the park.

I thought DL’s tower of terror was a sad knock off missing my favorite thematic part of the WDW attraction, so I don’t mind that change at all. It’s more fun now anyway. I would call that an upgrade.

 

[SplashJacket]

I have to assume your primary interest in Disney parks is seeing characters, because that's the only "improvement" to DCA over the last several years. Paradise Pier, Tower of Terror, and Bug's Land were all more pleasant areas than the lands and attraction which replaced them.

If you removed all the IP everywhere, the park is indisputably better than it was in 2015. It’s not about IP making it better for people now, it’s about people being bitter about the current IPs.

No, it’s having a nice day.

I don’t think Pixar Pier is better or worse than Paradise Pier; I think the carousel retheming was nice for my kids. California Screamin and Incredicoaster are/were both fantastic, barely themed rides. The midway is similar. Flik’s Flyers vs Inside Out is a wash.

I think A Bugs Land was a poor use of space. The theming was extraordinary. Avengers Campus theming is underwhelming (but very fixable!), except the Spider-Man show area. But the Spider-Man ride more than makes up for it. Overall that’s an upgrade in terms of my enjoyment of the park.

I thought DL’s tower of terror was a sad knock off missing my favorite thematic part of the WDW attraction, so I don’t mind that change at all. It’s more fun now anyway. I would call that an upgrade.

Honestly, wouldn’t really bother

The WDW forum on here is just chaos and people screaming in all directions, but I feel like the Disneyland forum is just a self-fulfilling echo-chamber with a lot of gate keeping. The normal bitterness you’d expect, just elevated.

This might be a "grass is greener" situation. Every park has its merits. I'm most frustrated by DCA, which can make it harder for me to appreciate what it does well, but the fact that I've spent considerably more time there than any of the WDW second gates is undoubtedly a factor in my feeling the way I do.

For me personally, I'd take DAK any day over DCA. While I haven't been to DHS since 2017, from afar and on paper I would take DHS for its attraction lineup AND table service dining options over DCA.

Legitimately, no. This is a “grass is greener” situation. Animal Kingdom has absolutely world-class theming unmatched by really any park outside of Tokyo DisneySea, but there’s just hardly anything there. If you’ve actually experienced Animal Kingdom consistently, the park quickly tired because it’s just lacking so greatly in quantity, which is far less noticeable for a one-off trip across the country. That said AK is still easily a highlight for WDW.

As for DHS, it’s ENTIRE ride-lineup barring Slinky is spread between the two parks at Disneyland, so anything “killer” is already there. DHS is basically just a collection of rides/lands strung together, so y’all already have DHS, just without the operational nightmare of it being one of the most overcrowded parks in the world (maybe the most outside of Universal Japan).

I'm sure DHS is considerably less fun to experience in reality, but I'd probably take killer over filler at this point, honestly. At least the ride at the end of the queue would be likely more satisfying than I find to be the case at DCA.

Each WDW park has one headlining attraction, FoP, Rise, and Guardians. DCA has RSR. The ride line-up is stronger than 3 of WDW’s parks, and has a coherent, fantastic night-show, unlike AK and Epcot at the moment.

 

[Californian Elitist]

@SplashZander You weren’t there in 2015, therefore, you have no room to speak.

 

[Consumer]

If you removed all the IP everywhere, the park is indisputably better than it was in 2015. It’s not about IP making it better for people now, it’s about people being bitter about the current IPs.

What does this even mean? If Disney removed Guardians, Avengers Campus, and Pixar, they would be reverting it back to its 2015 state.

 

[SplashJacket]

What does this even mean? If Disney removed Guardians, Avengers Campus, and Pixar, they would be reverting it back to its 2015 state.

Ah yes, a 2015 with an inferior bugs land, inferior ToT, and inferior Pixar Pier theming

 

[SplashJacket]

@SplashZander You weren’t there in 2015, therefore, you have no room to speak.

GATEKEEPING?!?!?!?

Who would’ve expected this?!?!?!

Y’all funny

 

[Californian Elitist]

GATEKEEPING?!?!?!?

Who would’ve expected this?!?!?!

Y’all funny

You literally weren’t there lmao. You said it yourself, your first visit was in 2017. You’ve had, what? Two visits in total?

I’ll continue to gatekeep. You. Were. NOT. There.

 

[Consumer]

Ah yes, a 2015 with an inferior bugs land, inferior ToT, and inferior Pixar Pier theming

What? What are you saying? Bug's Land, Tower of Terror, and Paradise Pier were all superior to their replacements.

 

[Californian Elitist]

What? What are you saying? Bug's Land, Tower of Terror, and Paradise Pier were all superior to their replacements.

There is no sense to trying to argue and debate with someone who literally can’t participate because of lack of experience.

 

[SplashJacket]

You literally weren’t there lmao. You said it yourself, your first visit was in 2017. You’ve had, what? Two visits in total?

I’ll continue to gatekeep. You. Were. NOT. There.

What was different in 2015 than in 2017?

Guardians was ToT? The exact same ToT I’ve been on dozens of times in Paris?

Bugs Land was a joke.

Paradise Pier was nice but still ugly in a lot of areas and Pixar Pier made a lot of those areas substantially more pleasant.

Soarin’ Over the California? A ride I’ve experienced dozens of times?

Luigi’s Roadsters is far superior, and legitimately fun compared to the garbage floating ride that didn’t work before it.

I realize it’s crazy that people will disagree with y’all, especially when y’all bully dissenting opinions into oblivion, as evidenced by the completely detached perspectives that fly in the face of pretty much everyone outside this forum.

 

[SplashJacket]

There is no sense to trying to argue and debate with someone who literally can’t participate because of lack of experience.

It’s hilarious to me y’all try to gate keep one of the universally worst parks in the world at its opening. Epcot, I understand. But DCA? Please

 

[Californian Elitist]

It’s hilarious to me y’all try to gate keep one of the universally worst parks in the world at its opening. Epcot, I understand. But DCA? Please

It’s hilarious to you because you weren’t there and don’t understand what we’re talking about. It makes sense. I thought it was obvious.

 

[Californian Elitist]

What was different in 2015 than in 2017?

The differences have been explained to you many times. You refuse to listen, that’s all.

 

[J4546]

I also think DCA is much better now than 2015

 

[Consumer]

There is no sense to trying to argue and debate with someone who literally can’t participate because of lack of experience.

I first went to DCA in 2010, right after the "California" letters and hubcap were removed but before the Sun Plaza was completely dismantled. Since then, I've been to DCA several times, most recently just before Avengers Campus was officially announced. Prior to these visits, I have strong memories from my childhood of the original "California" letters, the MaliBOOMer, the Sun Wheel, and the Mickey ears on California Screamin'.

I've grown up with DCA right there, watching it change over the years. I've seen the good, the bad, and the worse. It's insane that anyone would think today's DCA is the pinnacle of the park.

What was different in 2015 than in 2017?

Guardians was ToT? The exact same ToT I’ve been on dozens of times in Paris?

Imagine thinking the one on the right looks better.

Bugs Land was a joke.

Bug's Land was not great, but it was green, shady, and offered more rides for children than Avengers' Campus manages to. I'm not saying Bug's Land was perfect, but it deserve a better replacement, and even more, Marvel deserved a better land in a different theme park (ten years ago).

Paradise Pier was nice but still ugly in a lot of areas and Pixar Pier made a lot of those areas substantially more pleasant.

While there were certain areas of Paradise Pier's remodel that were incomplete (such as the shops on the boardwalk), overall the aesthetic changes to Paradise Pier into Pixar Pier were a detriment, such as the change in color scheme from the gentle blue to the aggressive red. And for every Pixar Promenade, there is a Poultry Palace. Pixar Pier was by no means an upgrade.

Soarin’ Over the California? A ride I’ve experienced dozens of times?

Yes, Soarin' over California was better than Soarin' Around the World. This is pretty generally accepted. Real world locations are better than CGI recreations.

Luigi’s Roadsters is far superior, and legitimately fun compared to the garbage floating ride that didn’t work before it.

Probably your only correct point. But is Luigi's Roadsters so good that it overrides the removal of Tower of Terror and Paradise Pier? By no means. I would give up Luigi's Roadsters to bring back Tower of Terror and Paradise Pier anyday.

I realize it’s crazy that people will disagree with y’all, especially when y’all bully dissenting opinions into oblivion, as evidenced by the completely detached perspectives that fly in the face of pretty much everyone outside this forum.

Unlike some, my opinions are not parroted remarks from those around me.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I’ve been going to DCA since 2001, the year it opened. I’ve personally experienced its evolution over the past 22+ years. I’m happy and willing to debate with folks about whether the park is better now than ever or not. However, I will not do so with folks with just two visits under their belt and is only just now visiting the park. And refuses to listen to people with actual experience. It’s a waste.

 

[SplashJacket]

Imagine thinking the one on the right looks better.
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I don’t, I think it looks substantially worse, but the ride experience more than makes up for it, and that’s a popular consensus.

Bug's Land was not great, but it was green, shady, and offered more rides for children than Avengers' Campus manages to. I'm not saying Bug's Land was perfect, but it deserve a better replacement, and even more, Marvel deserved a better land in a different theme park (ten years ago).

They relocated one of the rides and AFAIK, Spider-Man doesn’t have a height requirement, so the effect on young kids is minimal. There are plenty of child-friendly flats throughout the park (basically all that Bugs land had).

While there were certain areas of Paradise Pier's remodel that were incomplete (such as the shops on the boardwalk), overall the aesthetic changes to Paradise Pier into Pixar Pier were a detriment, such as the change in color scheme from the gentle blue to the aggressive red. And for every Pixar Promenade, there is a Poultry Palace. Pixar Pier was by no means an upgrade.
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I don’t even think that looks that bad, but even if that was a heinous crime against humanity, the whole overhaul was a net again.

As a whole, the nitty-gritty has already been debated tirelessly, and nothing was gained.

 

[Consumer]

They should just bring back the Golden Gatekeeping Bridge.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The only significant difference from 2015 to 2017 was Tower of Terror, the same clone which he’s gone on at Walt Disney Studios. Maybe the park was better being “thematically” consistent, but it was inferior for just spending a day at and hanging out. In a vacuum, I’d take Mission: Breakout any day over DCA’s inferior Tot. Same for Pixar Pier’s theming to Paradise Pier 2.0, or WEB Slingers to It’s Tough to be a Bug.

You completely dissed my Disneyland Guide I put hours into legitimately trying to help people a few a weeks ago, and you are now calling people clowns? Come on, just be more respectful, being bitter all of the time is no way to enjoy oneself on a forum designed to celebrate one another’s viewpoints… on a topic that’s purely for fun. This is “gatekeeping.”

Excuse me? They used the clown emoji before I did, hence why I used it and threw it back at them. Talk to them about that before talking to me. I’m not “bitter.” What would I be bitter about? Also, stop exaggerating. I never dissed your guide. I replied once and said we had a similar ongoing thread. Take your own advice and you try being more respectful.

That’s not the only significant difference. Again, I’m happy to debate with folks who were actually there. If you have a personal problem with that, I don’t know what to tell you.