How will Universal's Epic Universe effect Disney?

[flynnibus]

Unfortunately, you seem to be really struggling with reading comprehension. That, or you just outright make stuff up. Either way, do better, ma’am.

Well.. we do know the sun rises each day.. so the world must be flat!

This thread has devolved to the same old WDW vs UNI dumbness.

Meanwhile... UNI has been doing things to change the landscape. Let's see how it pays out.

 

[TalkToEthan]

Unfortunately, you seem to be really struggling with reading comprehension.

Let’s not.

And it looks like you’re regressing to a time before your announcement to the forum to be the better poster(paraphrased and generalized of course because I’m not looking to go reread it to get specifics)

 

[JusticeDisney]

Well.. we do know the sun rises each day.. so the world must be flat!

This thread has devolved to the same old WDW vs UNI dumbness.

Meanwhile... UNI has been doing things to change the landscape. Let's see how it pays out.

Hahahahahahahaha! You whine about this thread being a WDW v Uni dumbness thing, and in the very same post you go on to gush
about how Uni is changing the landscape. Ohhhhhhhhhh, the irony! Sounds a lot like you are making it a Uni vs WDW thing.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Hahahahahahahaha! You whine about this thread being a WDW v Uni dumbness thing, and in the very same post you go on to gush
about how Uni is changing the landscape. Ohhhhhhhhhh, the irony!

Growing the market without Disney is very much changing the landscape. Universal doesn’t just pick up side trips and sloppy seconds, they have created and been growing their own audience.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Let’s not.

And it looks like you’re regressing to a time before your announcement to the forum to be the better poster(paraphrased and generalized of course because I’m not looking to go reread it to get specifics)

Well, what I said was totally true. Her response to me just blatantly made things up. If you feel like lecturing someone, perhaps you’d be better served to look her way.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Growing the market without Disney is very much changing the landscape.

Well, you totally missed my point. But in any event, I guess you could say the very same thing about WDW.

 

[UNCgolf]

All 'best' are subjective because what people ultimately value is debatable. But it is also possible to assess using criteria that is objective and outside one's personal preferences. And by nearly every sample... Velocicoaster is way up there. Sorry you don't like it - doesn't negate it's reception nor critical praise.

I wouldn't consider that objective criteria; to me there really isn't any objective criteria for theme park attractions beyond things like top speed, ride length, etc.

Regardless, using that criteria of reception and critical praise, Rise and Forbidden Journey are both arguably better than Velocicoaster or Hagrid's; even Cosmic Rewind is arguably better. That seems insane to me as I don't see much of an argument that Cosmic Rewind is better than any of those four attractions, but that's not really the point -- numerous people have claimed it's the best ride in Orlando. I suppose even Flight of Passage might be able to get into the conversation using those criteria, although I personally don't think it's especially great.

Anyways, I don't really care about a Disney/Universal argument. Different people prefer different things and both are successful. I just think that claiming those two attractions are easily the two best in decades isn't really supported by anything beyond personal opinion.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't think it's accurate to call that objective criteria. There really isn't any objective criteria for theme park attractions beyond things like top speed, ride length, etc. People that don't like coasters for whatever reason aren't going to consider it one of the best rides in Orlando no matter how good of a coaster it is, and that's not an insignificant population.

Plus, using your own criteria of reception and critical praise, Rise and Forbidden Journey are both arguably better than Velocicoaster or Hagrid's; even Cosmic Rewind is arguably better. That seems insane to me as I don't see much of an argument that Cosmic Rewind is better than any of those four attractions, but that's not really the point -- numerous people have claimed it's the best ride in Orlando.

It’s no different than all of the other fields of design that have objective criteria. Doesn’t mean people can’t prefer something else.

 

[UNCgolf]

It’s no different than all of the other fields of design that have objective criteria. Doesn’t mean people can’t prefer something else.

I'm not sure I get your point or how it's relevant to what I said?

As I said, even if we decide that reception/critical response is objective criteria, there are still other rides from the past decade that would be in the conversation at both Disney and Universal using that criteria.

 

[JusticeDisney]

It’s no different than all of the other fields of design that have objective criteria. Doesn’t mean people can’t prefer something else.

Right, but we are not talking about design. We are talking about whether people do or do not enjoy a particular ride. And that is 100% subjective. And 0% objective.

 

[flynnibus]

Hahahahahahahaha! You whine about this thread being a WDW v Uni dumbness thing, and in the very same post you go on to gush
about how Uni is changing the landscape. Ohhhhhhhhhh, the irony! Sounds a lot like you are making it a Uni vs WDW thing.

You don't think they are changing the landscape with their additional theme park being opened?
I'm making this a UNI vs WDW thing? Maybe you forgot the title and OP of the thread -- "I think Epic U will have an effect on Disney parks for about 2-5 years after it opens,"

Get your head out of mickey's butt.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm not sure I get your point or how it's relevant to what I said?

There are criteria widely considered objective when it comes to design. You’re trying to downplay Universal’s success because of your personal dislike. The design and execution of both coasters is top notch. They are clear in their intention and deliver on their premise. You don’t have to like them to recognize their success.

 

[UNCgolf]

There are criteria widely considered objective when it comes to design. You’re trying to downplay Universal’s success because of your personal dislike. The design and execution of both coasters is top notch. They are clear in their intention and deliver on their premise. You don’t have to like them to recognize their success.

No I'm not. You've created a position for me that does not exist in my statements. You're doing the same thing other people here do of taking statements made by different people and aggregating them into some universal position -- you're usually better than that.

Point to anything I've said that even remotely suggests that the rides aren't successful, or that Universal itself isn't successful, or that it's somehow worse than Disney. You're not going to find it because I don't feel that way.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Velocicoaster is a bare bones thrill machine that you can get anywhere? With all that spectacular rock work and actually working animatronics? Maybe y'alls mouse ears are too tight.

One thing to keep in mind is no amusement park is simply a collection of rides. Epic will also have 2 high tech theater shows, environmental interactivity, a fountain show, M&Gs, multiple highly themed table service and quick service restaurants, and merch galore.

 

[JusticeDisney]

You don't think they are changing the landscape with their additional theme park being opened?
I'm making this a UNI vs WDW thing? Maybe you forgot the title and OP of the thread -- "I think Epic U will have an effect on Disney parks for about 2-5 years after it opens,"

Get your head out of mickey's butt.

I absolutely do think they are changing the landscape. Just like I think WDW created the landscape in the first place.

As I’ve been saying all along in this thread, Uni is definitely coming on strong. They’ve gone from being so far behind that WDW couldn’t even see them in the rear view, to now being where they look like a fly in the rear view. After Epic opens, they will look like a bird in the rear view.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Velocicoaster is a bare bones thrill machine that you can get anywhere? With all that spectacular rock work and actually working animatronics? Maybe y'alls mouse ears are too tight.

Meh.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Growing the market without Disney is very much changing the landscape. Universal doesn’t just pick up side trips and sloppy seconds, they have created and been growing their own audience.

Uni has literally been a WDW side trip for decades. They are definitely changing that, but facts are facts.

 

[flynnibus]

I wouldn't consider that objective criteria;

Consider what objective criteria? I didn't list any. I noted it's possible to "But it is also possible to assess using criteria that is objective and outside one's personal preferences"

And by 'sample' I meant by sampling the critiques that have been done.

to me there really isn't any objective criteria for theme park attractions beyond things like top speed, ride length, etc.

Well if that's all there is 'to you' I don't think your well positioned to too objectively review attractions and stick to just what you prefer to not.

Regardless, using that criteria of reception and critical praise, Rise and Forbidden Journey are both arguably better than Velocicoaster or Hagrid's; even Cosmic Rewind is arguably better. That seems insane to me as I don't see much of an argument that Cosmic Rewind is better than any of those four attractions, but that's not really the point -- numerous people have claimed it's the best ride in Orlando.

I haven't seen any praising it as such - but I'd be happy to look through some reviews that believe it. (and not just the rider opinions)

Anyways, I don't really care about a Disney/Universal argument. Different people prefer different things and both are successful. I just think that claiming those two attractions are easily the two best in decades isn't really supported by anything beyond personal opinion.

I overstated with 'decades' because of overlooking SWGE - but short of those I think they rank right up there in the 2000s. FoP is up there for it's achievements. But these two new coasters set new bars for complete packages that aren't just notable for their extremeness or for their inclusion of themed cladding. They are complete packages. Before I would have put BTMRR at night as the 'best' complete coaster experience in Orlando... but I think Hagrids smashes it now.

Everyone has their preferences - but one shouldn't use their personal tastes to shutout what is happening outside of their personal tastes.

 

[UNCgolf]

Uni has literally been a WDW side trip for decades. They are definitely changing that, but facts are facts.

I don't think that's true, especially since Hogsmeade, and more importantly Diagon Alley, opened. I know several people that have gone to Orlando solely to visit Universal because of Harry Potter -- just took a weekend trip down.

 

[flynnibus]

Right, but we are not talking about design. We are talking about whether people do or do not enjoy a particular ride. And that is 100% subjective. And 0% objective.

If that were true... no one would ever be able to build something with any degree of it being successful in the market.. they'd totally just be praying they blindly found someone who liked what they did.

Lucky for companies that spend hundreds of millions on attractions - it's not that random.