Tom Morrow
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Yes, and Epic Universe does not surpass the quality of current WDW. In some areas it does, but in others it falls short. A net result of "in the same league".
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HOW WILL UNIVERSAL'S EPIC UNIVERSE AFFECT WALT DISNEY WORLD?
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Yes, and Epic Universe does not surpass the quality of current WDW. In some areas it does, but in others it falls short. A net result of "in the same league".
Cmdr_Crimson
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By simply adding the letter "S" indicating there is more than Epic worlds to go to.....Now being shown in the new ads..
networkpro
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That remains to be seen, exactly how well do those facilities and more important operations work at capacity ? As well as how quickly the can adjust to those things that don't work. I imagine if they didn't build sufficient latrine facilities that they'd have to spend quite a bit for portable facilities better than pota potties as those can be pretty brutal in the heat.
Tom Morrow
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By simply adding the letter "S" indicating there is more than Epic worlds to go to.....Now being shown in the new ads..
"Walt Disney World - Come experience all of our EPIC theme parks!"
TrainsOfDisney
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Neither are any of the WDW parks.
UNCgolf
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I think EPCOT was the best theme park ever made, but that version of EPCOT no longer exists.
Tom Morrow
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Yes. That isn't the point. The point I am trying to make is that a large percentage of the online theme park enthusiast community has hyped up Epic Universe to be the park that "sets things straight", raises the bar for the industry, is the new standard, and is the most immersive theme park ever. While a good park, it objectively isn't any of these things.
donaldtoo
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Indeed…
I first visited EPCOT Center on our honeymoon in December of ‘88, and thought it was amazingly brilliant…and all for an entry fee of just $28…!!!
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Poseidon Quest
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I think you're too far in the bubble if you don't realize that Super Nintendo World and Potter will draw tons and tons of people. I was invited along to a preview as well, and yeah, while the theme park community is going to nitpick every single sightline, to say that it doesn't raise the bar is insane. Not every thing is perfect, but as a theme park fan, you can tell a lot of love and care went into the park whereas everything Disney produces feels extremely corporate.
If just Super Nintendo World had been added to USF, I think it would have been a huge boost to Universal's attendance. Is Epic better than Islands or Disney Sea? I don't think so, but I don't think it really matters. The draw of the park is large enough that it will force people to choose between an extended Universal and Disney stay. It's not a "Disney killer", but I think will be enough to force Disney to really compete. I don't think Disney understands their competition (or even their own parks really), so I think it's going to be a lot of embarrassment in front of shareholders.
Stripes
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We saw what adding SNW did for USH. USH is seeing significant declines in attendance according to Comcast. Of course, SNW Orlando will be better than what USH has, but I don't think SNW is some big game changer. The rides have received a relatively disappointing reception with the land itself getting most of the praise, as it should. I think Universal should be concerned about significant cannibalization of their existing parks, particularly USF. As it exists today, I see very little reason to visit USF.
I should note that the show producer for all SNW lands and the show producer for Potter Paris are working at WDI in Florida now. These folks are leading the creative development on the expansions to DAK and DHS. Both of them are former WDI that left for UC and have now returned to WDI.
I wouldn't say everything Disney produces feels "corporate" but a lot of it has in the past several years. However, I do think you're going to see a remarkable shift in quality with the projects that were announced at D23. Bruce Vaughn truly understands the parks and what guests expect from Disney.
Certainly there is some top-tier theming at Epic, but I have to tell you: Celestial Park feels extremely "corporate" to me. Atlantic looks like a Cheesecake Factory and Helios doesn't have the artistry that an in-park hotel demands. To me, Helios stands as a massive monument to CMCSA shareholders. According to some, Molly Murphy (the President of Universal Creative for the past year and a half) has initiated the Gensler-ification of UC. Murphy worked at Gensler for over 17 years.
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UNCgolf
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I think you misunderstood his point.
It'll almost certainly raise the bar for Universal in terms of drawing guests (although I'm not so sure that Super Nintendo World is actually a major long-term draw; the weak attraction lineup is a problem), but that's not what he was saying.
He was saying it doesn't raise the bar for theme parks overall; it's not setting a new standard as something better than any park before (and people were absolutely pushing it as that). That doesn't seem like an outlier take.
For me personally, the park has a really weak ride lineup -- there are only two that look like theme park headliners in Monsters and HP; everything else looks bland except maybe Mine Cart Madness -- and doesn't seem to offer enough outside of the rides. What I've seen/read is disappointing, and I was hoping it would be fantastic both as something to visit on its own and as something to push Disney to do better.
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lazyboy97o
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Which is it? What bar is being raised?
pluto77
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I honestly wish it would take away a lot of visitors from Disney World to get Disney to wake up to some of its more recently shortcomings. I think it will probably have an effect. Maybe more people will choose to stay at Universal and visit Disney as side trip instead of the other way around, but it will balance out again after the initial hype. The reason they will never beat Magic Kingdom (outside of nostalgia) is that Universal doesn’t build enough family attractions that aren’t all screen based. As excited as I am for Epic Universe, I don’t really see this issue being fixed with what’s being advertised. The screen based rides can be really cool, but when that’s the vast majority of attractions, it gets old quick (I say this as someone who really wanted to love Universal just as much as WDW when we took our first Universal only trip this last year). Even our teenager that we took was getting sick of all the screen based rides. So then, if you also don’t like roller coasters, there’s not a whole lot available once you are getting sick from riding so many screen based rides. I know Universal is probably targeting a different audience, but that’s what will hold it back from ever being number one in my opinion, if that’s what they are going for.
I still am excited to Epic! That’s just my opinion on why Disney will still have them beat.
I still am excited to Epic! That’s just my opinion on why Disney will still have them beat.
wdwfan4ver
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Yep. I first went to WDW in Summer of 1991. My younger brother and I felt Epcot was the best of the 3 parks at the time. I felt Epcot started to decline when the original imagination ride closed and got replaced by the 2nd version.Indeed…
I first visited EPCOT Center on our honeymoon in December of ‘88, and thought it was amazingly brilliant…and all for an entry fee of just $28…!!!
donaldtoo
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When we were there in ‘88, the only parks open were MK and EPCOT Center. The Studios were still under construction, and wouldn’t open until May of ‘89.
But, ‘88 was also the year the Norway pavilion, with Maelstrom, opened in EPCOT Center, which we really enjoyed.
It was a golden time for that park, and we’ll never forget it…!!!
Ayla
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So you've experienced it already? Huh. (I have never visited Universal and have zero interest, but these type of statements are ridiculous.)
Tom Morrow
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Yes.
JMcMahonEsq
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You said "Now that WDW has been replacing older rides with oned we can’t do, we spend more time strolling and people-watching." What in the world do you mean by now???
The Great movie ride closed like 8 years ago
Snow White SA closed more than a decade ago. So did Backlot tour.
Food rocks closed 21 years ago, and Horizons closed like 25 years ago.
Your talking about changes that happed decades if not longer ago. So have you just not been going to WDW for like 2 decades, or are you complaining about things that have been true for almost half the time the park has been in existance?
TrainsOfDisney
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It’s a pretty great park. I don’t visit over and over again like Disney - but it’s pretty impressive to visit. I wish they had more gentle and all-ages attractions - but I wish the same thing for modern Disney.
JMcMahonEsq
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Honestly while i don't have a great interest in EPIC, statements like this just look silly.
"It objectively is not"???? Really. There is some objective quantifiable standard as to theme parks that exists someplace? Who publishes it? What are the standard and critera that are rated and compared to make objective determinations on what is "better" and what isn't? Speaking of that, what is the definition of better that is objectively set in the realm of theme parks? And really you being special and have fully sampled everything that EPIC has to offer, a park that isn't formally open yet have someone enough date to compare the two parks and this mystery objective standard and come to this conclusion?