How many of you will buy a "Premier Pass"?

Buying a Premier Pass?

  • Yes, I'll definately buy!

    Votes: 14 6.6%
  • No, not for me!

    Votes: 145 68.7%
  • Maybe, depends?

    Votes: 38 18.0%
  • What's a Premier Pass?

    Votes: 14 6.6%

  • Total voters
    211

markc

Active Member
I personally won't and think it's a pretty stupid idea as I doubt there are many people who travel to both DL and WDW for a long enough time in the course of a year to justify the cost, but I could be wrong and maybe there are a lot more die hards out there then I know about.


Your choice of words by calling it "stupid" is a little strong there. It's far from stupid, albeit it is more of a luxury pass since many people probably have neither the time, nor money, to make it out to both parks.

For me, this pass is amazing, saves me $$$ (only $30 since I have a FL PAP and a DL Deluxe), gives me more perks at DL now, and with the combining of the pass and using the latter date, works in my favor. However, everybody's situation will be different.
 

The "Pro"

Member
It seems that unless you are a FL resident or So. Cal resident that this won't do much for you. Or have extra time and money to spend.
 

DizneyPryncess

Well-Known Member
Last year I was begging for this! I made trips to both parks last year, with multiple trips to WDW. I doubt I will be making another trip to the West Coast for years though.
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
This is definitely one of those things were you have to look at costs. Theoretically, the purpose of an annual pass is to get you in the park more frequently. Parks make the bulk of their money on in-park spending. And contrary to popular belief, passholders are more likely to dine in the park than non-passholders. Disney annual passes aren't designed for that purpose. They seem more like they are designed for people who would take at least two separate trips, where the two individual trips would cost more than the pass. For me, who doesn't use the waterparks or go to DisneyQuest, this is definitely not worth it. But I could see how it could be of great value to someone else. I still think Disney should include free admission to Disneyland in its AP, and maybe a $50-100 surcharge to the Disneyland AP to include WDW. The reality is very, very few peple will visit both resorts in the same year.
 

tomman710

Well-Known Member
I think Disney really dropped the ball on this one. I think anyone with a business degree would tell you this thing is going to live and die with price point ... and in terms of price point they fumbled it.

The goal should have been to essentially give DVC members no choice to buy it because the price point was so attractive AND to get all of the bubble people like me.

$700, yes is less than two premium annual passes for both parks, however foresight logic would tell me that even at that number you won't have people buying it ... because ... the number of people that have two annual passes are low not to mention that for most people you aren't buying one you are buying two or more, to accommodate the family.

The majority of DVC owners are not the highest level of affluence, so this had to be fixed at a price that would attract them.

My contention is this should have been $589 ... this is just $100 dollars over the premium annual pass for WDW. Your first thought is that is not enough ... but think about it ...

At this price point, the average DVC member can pay roughly $400 bucks with their discount for a WDW annual pass or for $189 dollars more they can upgrade to a USA park pass. For a family of three it makes a difference ... $1767 compared to $2100.

But perhaps more importantly for the people on the bubble of deciding to get this or not AND the average WDW guest, this becomes a no brainer because for roughly one hundred bucks more you upgrade a pass in reality probably 30-40% won't use but they upgrade it anyway.

My point is the price point was everything and although this is less than two premium annual passes, its not low enough to maximize profits on this.
 

KAYLASQUI05

New Member
this is great for my fiance and I. we were WDW passholders last year and miss it so much this year. we are 4 hours away in GA and would go down once a month.
we are planning our honeymoon, August of this year at WDW and were going to purchase the annual pass for just WDW and then this came out so we are purchasing it now so we can plan our one year anniversary at DL, we've both never been! so for us, this works out perfect, we have plenty of time to plan and save for hotel, flight, food, etc. But I'm sure next year when it comes renewal time we will only renew for WDW.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
I've heard the number of folks eligible is VERY low, which if true is much less of a market than I even thought (my personal estimate was somewhere in the 3-5K range). From what I understand, though, this info is pretty easy to find for most CMs.

That being the case, I believe that Disney is looking to build a market where one doesn't exist here. If they 'lose' a few bucks the first year by getting folks hooked on the all access pixie dust pass, they aren't worrried because in YEAR TWO when the fanbois need to pay full-price (minus a miniscule renewal discount) they'll get hit by the reality of the situation. You can also expect there to be 1-2 price increases in the next year, just like any other admission media.

Of course, now you're paying for a much pricier pass to two resorts that you may not have so much need for. BUT ... you'll feel special ... like D23 members ... and by then you can be sure the pass will be payable on the installment plan ... and folks will be hooked.

The one thing that I keep getting conflicting info on is whether all WDW passes count (obviously the EPCOT AFter 4 is exempt) but everyone seems to have a different answer about whether someone can go buy a SoCal Select pass at DL and a weekday seasonal at WDW and walk to a window at either resort and say 'gimmee the SPECIAL pass, please'.

If so, Disney's left quite a huge loophole for people to take advantage of for at least one year.

Either way, I still have no interest in having one myself.

And from reading a nightmarish post from everyone's MAGICal old pal Merfie about trying to get his 'free' upgrade, it appears that as usual Disney's left hand doesn't know what its right is doing (probably reaching into a fanbois' pants ... I mean ... pant's pocket!)
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
Of course, now you're paying for a much pricier pass to two resorts that you may not have so much need for. BUT ... you'll feel special ... like D23 members ... and by then you can be sure the pass will be payable on the installment plan ... and folks will be hooked.

I don't know if I'd bet on that, unless you have more info. Disney seems to be very picky about who gets that installment option. They seem to want to limit it to people who live within hailing distance of either resort, with the CW around here being that it limits the headache of trying to track down people who stop paying after the first month.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
I don't know if I'd bet on that, unless you have more info. Disney seems to be very picky about who gets that installment option. They seem to want to limit it to people who live within hailing distance of either resort, with the CW around here being that it limits the headache of trying to track down people who stop paying after the first month.

I have it from the same authority that told me about the pass to begin with (months ago when I first mentioned it here and elsewhere). Do I know installment is a done deal? No. I was just told that it was 'very likely' to happen.

And I would have to believe that 95% of the people this applies to are (or will be) residents of either Florida or California.

I also don't think they'll be tracking down many people. They're either going to pay or they'll have the passes deactivated and notes put into the system that would be prevent them from having an AP of any kind again.
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
I have it from the same authority that told me about the pass to begin with (months ago when I first mentioned it here and elsewhere). Do I know installment is a done deal? No. I was just told that it was 'very likely' to happen.

Fair enough. :)

And I would have to believe that 95% of the people this applies to are (or will be) residents of either Florida or California.

Really? Because I assumed it would be the opposite...that the only people for whom $700 for both resorts would be a value would be people who can't get the value of a SoCal or Florida resident AP combined with a full price AP to the opposite resort. I need to look up the prices on those and check back. :lol:
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
Really? Because I assumed it would be the opposite...that the only people for whom $700 for both resorts would be a value would be people who can't get the value of a SoCal or Florida resident AP combined with a full price AP to the opposite resort. I need to look up the prices on those and check back. :lol:

Having done said research...I was wrong.

But there is a difference between the deal this represents based on where you live!

Disney is marketing this as a Premier-level pass, so I used the prices of both resort's individual AP's.

A DL Premium AP is $365 (a nice, easy dollar a day!) with no discount for locals available (SoCal AP's are not offered at the Premium level). Combining that with a non-resident Premium AP to WDW ($689), you'd pay $984. The PP would save you a cool $284.

But...WDW does offer discounts on Premium AP's to Florida residents, selling them for $489. Combining that with a DL Premium AP would cost $854. The PP saves you $154.

So if you live in Florida, the PP represents less of a savings than if you live in California — or anywhere else.

But...it's a deal either way, so I stand corrected. :)
 

markc

Active Member
I've heard the number of folks eligible is VERY low, which if true is much less of a market than I even thought (my personal estimate was somewhere in the 3-5K range). From what I understand, though, this info is pretty easy to find for most CMs.

Only a few hundred, actually. There's a list of those who were mailed both passes (which is fairly easily accesible to those in guest relations), and its small. That's of course, not taking into account any misses (which there are bound to be quite a few, since their merging of the two databases was not accurate or all inclusive).

That being the case, I believe that Disney is looking to build a market where one doesn't exist here. If they 'lose' a few bucks the first year by getting folks hooked on the all access pixie dust pass, they aren't worrried because in YEAR TWO when the fanbois need to pay full-price (minus a miniscule renewal discount) they'll get hit by the reality of the situation. You can also expect there to be 1-2 price increases in the next year, just like any other admission media.

It's a win-win for Disney. They encourage those right now with passes to both parks to continue that patronage by linking the two together and giving them a few free months (via the rule that allows the new pass to have the latter of the two expiration dates), and also intrigues those who were thinking about getting a pass to both parks. There will be no renewal discount, and from what's been said internally about this pass - there wont be an increase to the pass in price for quite sometime (to offset the fact that there will be no renewal discount).


Of course, now you're paying for a much pricier pass to two resorts that you may not have so much need for. BUT ... you'll feel special ... like D23 members ... and by then you can be sure the pass will be payable on the installment plan ... and folks will be hooked.

There will be no installment plan on this pass in the near future. Again, some internal conversations regarding the pass have alluded that an installment plan would only be possible if WDW adopted it as well, and again, limited it to only SoCal and FL residents. Disney stands to loose too much if they open it up to a wider market due to their lack of jurisdiction in obtaining owed dues.

The one thing that I keep getting conflicting info on is whether all WDW passes count (obviously the EPCOT AFter 4 is exempt) but everyone seems to have a different answer about whether someone can go buy a SoCal Select pass at DL and a weekday seasonal at WDW and walk to a window at either resort and say 'gimmee the SPECIAL pass, please'.

The rules are quite clear in the terms of conditions with this pass (however the written conditions are only available at Guest Relations though) - WDW Seasonal passes are EXEMPT, however the higher end SoCal Annual pass is not. And at this point, you had to have had a pass at both parks on March 10th to be eligible. Otherwise, the only way to get the pass would be through a normal upgrade process where you apply the value of each pass towards the $700 (i.e. a DL pass thats 6 months old would be given a pro-rated value based on the current market price of the pass and that would be allocated towards the $700)...so you cant just walk up and buy both passes and have them combined.


And from reading a nightmarish post from everyone's MAGICal old pal Merfie about trying to get his 'free' upgrade, it appears that as usual Disney's left hand doesn't know what its right is doing (probably reaching into a fanbois' pants ... I mean ... pant's pocket!)

They dont - and training has just started for most Guest Relations cast on this option (only one or two CM's per locations know how to issue them).
 

markc

Active Member
I think Disney really dropped the ball on this one. I think anyone with a business degree would tell you this thing is going to live and die with price point ... and in terms of price point they fumbled it.

The goal should have been to essentially give DVC members no choice to buy it because the price point was so attractive AND to get all of the bubble people like me.

You are missing the entire point of this pass. This is not something Disney is going to market heavily or push. Quite honestly, they dont care how succesful this pass is or not. This is just a special, yet small, discount for those that currently have passes to both parks. Consider it more of a "thank you" from Disney to those that currently have passes to both parks by giving them a slightly bigger discount and allowing passholders to both parks to enjoy premium benefits at both places.

They know that its going to be a relatively small population eligible or interested in it. Very few people have the luxury of flying back and forth between both coasts enough to justify an annual pass (let alone have time to spend at both theme parks on both coasts) . Those that do, typically arent going to worry about money as much, so the discount presented as is should be enough. And quite frankly, they arent interested in enticing people like you, who would only by it at an even larger discount, as that isnt the group of people they are looking for.
 

markc

Active Member
I've heard the number of folks eligible is VERY low, which if true is much less of a market than I even thought (my personal estimate was somewhere in the 3-5K range). From what I understand, though, this info is pretty easy to find for most CMs.

Only a few hundred, actually. There's a list of those who were mailed both passes (which is fairly easily accesible to those in guest relations), and its small. That's of course, not taking into account any misses (which there are bound to be quite a few, since their merging of the two databases was not accurate or all inclusive).

That being the case, I believe that Disney is looking to build a market where one doesn't exist here. If they 'lose' a few bucks the first year by getting folks hooked on the all access pixie dust pass, they aren't worrried because in YEAR TWO when the fanbois need to pay full-price (minus a miniscule renewal discount) they'll get hit by the reality of the situation. You can also expect there to be 1-2 price increases in the next year, just like any other admission media.

It's a win-win for Disney. They encourage those right now with passes to both parks to continue that patronage by linking the two together and giving them a few free months (via the rule that allows the new pass to have the latter of the two expiration dates), and also intrigues those who were thinking about getting a pass to both parks. There will be no renewal discount, and from what's been said internally about this pass - there wont be an increase to the pass in price for quite sometime (to offset the fact that there will be no renewal discount).


Of course, now you're paying for a much pricier pass to two resorts that you may not have so much need for. BUT ... you'll feel special ... like D23 members ... and by then you can be sure the pass will be payable on the installment plan ... and folks will be hooked.

There will be no installment plan on this pass in the near future. Again, some internal conversations regarding the pass have alluded that an installment plan would only be possible if WDW adopted it as well, and again, limited it to only SoCal and FL residents. Disney stands to loose too much if they open it up to a wider market due to their lack of jurisdiction in obtaining owed dues.

The one thing that I keep getting conflicting info on is whether all WDW passes count (obviously the EPCOT AFter 4 is exempt) but everyone seems to have a different answer about whether someone can go buy a SoCal Select pass at DL and a weekday seasonal at WDW and walk to a window at either resort and say 'gimmee the SPECIAL pass, please'.

The rules are quite clear in the terms of conditions with this pass (however the written conditions are only available at Guest Relations though) - WDW Seasonal passes are EXEMPT, however the higher end SoCal Annual pass is not. And at this point, you had to have had a pass at both parks on March 10th to be eligible. Otherwise, the only way to get the pass would be through a normal upgrade process where you apply the value of each pass towards the $700 (i.e. a DL pass thats 6 months old would be given a pro-rated value based on the current market price of the pass and that would be allocated towards the $700)...so you cant just walk up and buy both passes and have them combined.


And from reading a nightmarish post from everyone's MAGICal old pal Merfie about trying to get his 'free' upgrade, it appears that as usual Disney's left hand doesn't know what its right is doing (probably reaching into a fanbois' pants ... I mean ... pant's pocket!)

They dont - and training has just started for most Guest Relations cast on this option (only one or two CM's per locations know how to issue them).
 

Exprcoofto

New Member
We're planning on getting the pass because of the way our trips will fall. We could buy a WDW AP for our 2 WDW trips then pay for the 1 DL trip, but it would come out to be more than just buying the Premier Pass. So with us buying that, we'd be saving money. It has nothing to do with feeling like D23, it's just a pass to get into the park that (in our case) will save us money. Obviously this won't work for everyone though.
 

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