How Does Somebody Get an EV Parking Space at Disney World?

[mkt]

Then you have the people that think ELON has any redeemable qualities.

FTFY.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I mean, they were plugged in, but were they actually charging? Again I don't own an ev yet but to know that someone just takes the spot for the convenience of the spot, which is better than a disabled space in most cases, is just staying plugged in despite being fully charged? That's gotta be maddening. They really need to do two things. The first being make more charging spots and second, make them less convenient. The ev spots should not take priority over any spot. In that case, those who drive evs and have a full charge don't take spots that they don't actually need.

EV spots are generally "more convenient" because they need to be closer to the infrastructure that provides the electricity. That's why EV spots at a mall are closest to the building for example, because of shared electricity. No other reason such as special treatment.

In any case, no reason to expect Disney to provide more spots in general. The main reason for a business to provide EV charging is an incentive to draw them in, and I doubt that's a factor for Disney.

For comparison, an outlet mall in my area used to have free charging. I drive a plug-in hyrbid and it takes about 70% of my battery to drive there. This means I have to use some gas getting home. The charging was an incentive because it allowed me to get home on battery.

They now charge for EV charging. A minor expense not having that, but does decrease my desire to go there.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

We absolutely aren't. We just don't want to pay for gas.

Yep. When the time came for me to get a new car, I worked out the math for a regular, hybrid, plug-in hybrid, or electric to determine what made the most sense in terms of affordability and how saving on gas factored in.

I'm happy to drive a vehicle that is more environmentally friendly for sure, but self interest was still the ultimate driving factor.

 

[Disstevefan1]

We absolutely aren't. We just don't want to pay for gas.

Well then let's hope not too many EVers are not just taking the spots because they are good parking spots.

This goes to what a lot of folks say, the EV parking spots should be in a back corner instead of taking a handicap spot

A handicap that also has an EV? They need the EV spot up front (IF THEY NEED TO CHARGE)

 

[bhg469]

EV spots are generally "more convenient" because they need to be closer to the infrastructure that provides the electricity. That's why EV spots at a mall are closest to the building for example, because of shared electricity. No other reason such as special treatment.

In any case, no reason to expect Disney to provide more spots in general. The main reason for a business to provide EV charging is an incentive to draw them in, and I doubt that's a factor for Disney.

For comparison, an outlet mall in my area used to have free charging. I drive a plug-in hyrbid and it takes about 70% of my battery to drive there. This means I have to use some gas getting home. The charging was an incentive because it allowed me to get home on battery.

They now charge for EV charging. A minor expense not having that, but does decrease my desire to go there.

I understand the need for the infrastructure but the perfect solution would be the covered spots with solar panels. Plenty of room for large battery banks in those lots as well.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well then let's hope not too many EVers are not just taking the spots because they are good parking spots.

This goes to what a lot of folks say, the EV parking spots should be in a back corner instead of taking a handicap spot

A handicap that also has an EV? They need the EV spot up front (IF THEY NEED TO CHARGE)

The EV charging spaces do not take up an accessible space. There are specific requirements for accessible spaces and they are not superseded by charging stations. Florida also has additional requirements for accessible spaces and they will not be met by a charging space.

Running wires is expensive. Charging spaces are closest because that’s where the power is already located. There’s no reason to pay a bunch of money to run power and data out to the further ends of a parking lot, and double so when it’s just motivated by weird grudges.

 

[mkt]

Well then let's hope not too many EVers are not just taking the spots because they are good parking spots.

IME, it's Tesla drivers that do that. They're the "BMW drivers" of the EV world. Only once have I seen another type of EV doing it (a Ford Mustang Mach-E).

This goes to what a lot of folks say, the EV parking spots should be in a back corner instead of taking a handicap spot

I'll be the first to say that. And honestly, at the parks, that's not a bad idea - quicker exit on the way out when you're tired. But it's cheaper to install chargers closer to existing electric infrastructure, which usually means up-front.

A handicap that also has an EV? They need the EV spot up front (IF THEY NEED TO CHARGE)

There are handicapped EV charging stations.

 

[mkt]

I understand the need for the infrastructure but the perfect solution would be the covered spots with solar panels. Plenty of room for large battery banks in those lots as well.

Like these?

 

[mkt]

They now charge for EV charging. A minor expense not having that, but does decrease my desire to go there.

If you have a PHEV/EREV, I understand that it decreases the desire. But if you have a full BEV and no way to charge at home, it would not likely affect the desirability.

 

[bhg469]

Like these?

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Definitely but I was thinking more of the entire lot. They could harness a ton of power and keep the cars cooler.

 

[mkt]

Full transparency: I work for an automaker, and work on EV projects on a very regular basis.

Anyway, we've done studies about this at work. Realistically, it's expected that if every car were to be an EV, there would be a 25% increase in cost per KWH.

At my house, I spend about $170/mo on electrical - $15 of which is to charge my car (FPL gives a good breakdown on their website).

25% higher cost would be $212.50, which means $18.75 to charge my car. The amount spent to charge my car is irrelevant, but I wanted to add it - but this is what's relevant.

That's an increase of $42.50. In my case, with the amount of driving I do, I'd spend that much on gas in a week. So even with an increase in KWH, I still come out ahead financially. I have a feeling most people would as well.


Not just Teslas. Chevys, Fords, Toyotas, Nissan, etc.

Just like they're going to pay those same rates if someone else decides to have a ridiculous christmas light show in their house, or a crypto mining operation in their basement.

Update for the the last month:

I drove over 1200 miles in the past month, and as per my app, I saved 49 gallons of gasoline.

Keeping my car charged for that time cost $0 (free charging for residents of my community), but for the purpose of this experiment, based off of my actual electrical rate, that would've cost $30.69 for 246.5 kWh.

The amount gas would have cost me is $190.12 based off of the average fuel price in the same time frame.

My savings were $159.43.

 

[mkt]

And the biggest miracle of all, I was able to get an EV Charging spot today in animal kingdom

 

[Model3 McQueen]

FTFY.

You people need to chill with the Elon hate. No redeemable qualities? Yeah sure, meanwhile Bob Chapek, Andrew Wilson, and Tim Cook are the best CEOs in the modern world.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

IME, it's Tesla drivers that do that. They're the "BMW drivers" of the EV world. Only once have I seen another type of EV doing it (a Ford Mustang Mach-E)

Tesla hold 68% of the US EV market share as of the first half of 2022, based on registration data from Experian. The reason you don't see other inconsiderate folks do this, is because they don't have EVs yet.

 

[bhg469]

And the biggest miracle of all, I was able to get an EV Charging spot today in animal kingdom

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Might as well just leave it there. It'll probably never happen again!

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Yep. When the time came for me to get a new car, I worked out the math for a regular, hybrid, plug-in hybrid, or electric to determine what made the most sense in terms of affordability and how saving on gas factored in.

I'm happy to drive a vehicle that is more environmentally friendly for sure, but self interest was still the ultimate driving factor.

Which is exactly how it should be, we don’t need a government entity telling us what to buy, just let it happen naturally.

I bought a new car 2 years ago and a couple hybrids were serious contenders, I didn’t end up getting one because it wasn’t offered in the model I wanted but I think it’s a safe bet my next car will be a hybrid or a plug in. The prices are coming down, there’s more options available every year, and the mileage is increasing. I think we’re at the tipping point, the thing the gov should be focusing on us is how we’re going to charge them because we are hopelessly unprepared for millions of EVs plugged into an already strained system.

EV chargers in any lot where people are meant to spend more than an hour make absolutely no sense, they’ll make even less sense as the percent of guests with EVs increases. It was a nice perk for early adopters but unless Disney intends to add thousands of chargers over the next decade I suspect the few they already have will disappear over the next couple years.

 

[mkt]

Tesla hold 68% of the US EV market share as of the first half of 2022, based on registration data from Experian. The reason you don't see other inconsiderate folks do this, is because they don't have EVs yet.

I also see Mustang Mach E drivers doing it - but it absolutely p¡sses me off when a Tesla owner parks and blocks a DC Fast Charger they can’t even charge at.

I've yet to see a Porsche Taycan, Audi E-Tron, or Rivian driver do it though... and these are all premium EVs which I see regularly in Orlando and that compete for the same customers as Tesla.

 

[mkt]

You people need to chill with the Elon hate. No redeemable qualities? Yeah sure, meanwhile Bob Chapek, Andrew Wilson, and Tim Cook are the best CEOs in the modern world.

As a TSLA shareholder, I hold the right to be critical of the person that I feel is mismanaging my investment.

I also can’t stand any of the other CEOs you mentioned, the difference is that only Elon is a troll that consistently over promises and under delivers.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

I also see Mustang Mach E drivers doing it - but it absolutely es me off when a Tesla owner parks and blocks a DC Fast Charger they can’t even charge at.

I've yet to see a Porsche Taycan, Audi E-Tron, or Rivian driver do it though... and these are all premium EVs which I see regularly in Orlando and that compete for the same customers as Tesla.

In Phoenix almost everyone has a Tesla lol i've only seen a handful of GMC Hummer, Rivian, E-Tron, & Taycan. Give them time and eventually those drivers will start doing inconsiderate things. It's a people problem.

As a TSLA shareholder, I hold the right to be critical of the person that I feel is mismanaging my investment.

I also can’t stand any of the other CEOs you mentioned, the difference is that only Elon is a troll that consistently over promises and under delivers.

You can criticize Elon, and have some good arguments. But to say he has no redeeming qualities when the man is I think mainly responsible for leading the EV push.. it's extreme. Also I'm not entirely sure how many people realize he has Asperger's.

You & I might not be so different

 

[mkt]

In Phoenix almost everyone has a Tesla lol i've only seen a handful of GMC Hummer, Rivian, E-Tron, & Taycan. Give them time and eventually those drivers will start doing inconsiderate things. It's a people problem.

Florida's one of the top 4 states for EV adoption, so they're everywhere - not just Teslas, we have them all. Including plenty of used examples of ex-California Compliance Cars (think Fiat 500E, Toyota Rav4 EV, etc). It's overwhelmingly Tesla drivers that do that here, and that's the reputation that Tesla drivers now have across other EV enthusiasts.

You can criticize Elon, and have some good arguments. But to say he has no redeeming qualities when the man is I think mainly responsible for leading the EV push.. it's extreme. Also I'm not entirely sure how many people realize he has Asperger's.

He said it on SNL - we all know. However, him having Aspergers doesn't do a thing to explain his consistent trolling and his constant overpromising and underdelivering.

But he is absolutely responsible for making EVs cool - before Elon, they weren't cool at all. But he's not an engineer or a developer, he's a hype man: He got involved with Tesla after its founding and made it cool. Personally, I think he's outlived his usefulness to Tesla and should focus on something else.

You & I might not be so different

Not at all. I like Teslas in spite of their QC issues and horrible service - I just don't like Elon at all.