How Disney bypassed God

mkt

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How Disney bypassed God
19 July 2004 07:21 GMT

(Mail & Guardian) -- Disney may have colonised the imagination of the world's children for the best part of 80 years, but -- remarkably in one of the world's most ostentatiously Christian countries -- the entertainment company has done so without the aid of God, a new book points out.

The Gospel According to Disney: Faith, Trust and Pixie Dust, by Mark Pinsky, an American journalist and best-selling author of a similar book about The Simpsons, shows that the film industry's most family-orientated entertainer has rarely mentioned God, and that such religious figures as there are in its animated films are almost entirely bad.

Pinsky, the religion reporter at the Orlando Sentinel, argues: "In the more than 35 animated features Disney has released since 1937, there is scarcely a mention of God as conceived in the Christian and Jewish faiths shared by most people in the Western world and many beyond."

The first ordained character to have a big part in a Disney cartoon was Frollo, the villainous priest in The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and he did not make his appearance until 1996, nearly 60 years after the studio began making feature films.

American Christians appear to have scarcely noticed that none of the Disneyland theme parks -- replete with every other aspect of US main street culture -- has a church. The company's cruise liners do not have a single chapel on board.

The reason, the book says, was Disney's determination not to offend anyone in a way which would hamper the making of money.

Instead, it has quietly subverted the Christian gospel by substituting some decidedly unchristian themes: belief in the power of magic, that good people are handsome, and that what you wish for really can come true.

"The Gospel of Disney is all about me," Pinsky writes. "My dreams. My will. 'When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true.' The Disney bible has but one verse and that's it.

"Walt's religion was built on the unfailing American belief that virtue and hard work will make all your dreams come true."

Pinsky notes that even in the earliest films, the company shied away from religious symbolism. When Geppetto, the woodcarver in Pinocchio, falls to his knees to ask for his puppet to be given life, he does not pray to God, even though his eyes are raised heavenwards, but to a blue fairy.

In Fantasia, the finale may be Schubert's Ave Maria but instead of showing a stained glass window, as originally planned, the film ends with trees forming a gothic arch through which the sunset can be seen.

The book quotes Walt Disney's daughter Sharon as saying that her father, who died in 1966, was a very religious man. "But he did not believe you had to go to church to be religious. He respected every religion. There wasn't any that he ever criticised. He wouldn't even tell religious jokes."

The films' generally whole some messages have been used by clergy for decades to teach children about self-reliance, compassion and loyalty.

The films have also portrayed less positive ideas: in the casual racism of the early pictures -- the black crows in Dumbo, or the obsequious black female centaurs in early versions of Fantasia -- and in occasional anti-semitism.

The book argues that since Disney's death, the company has branched out into animism in Pocahontas, feminism in Beauty and the Beast and Mulan, adventure capitalism in Atlantis, and even Hinduism's great circle of life tradition in The Lion King, which is set in Africa.

It got its fingers burnt when Aladdin, made a decade before the attacks on the World Trade Centre, prompted complaints of Arabophobia. All the film's villains have large noses, dark complexions, facial hair and heavy accents.

It is only in the past few years that one of the US's most influential religious lobbying organisations has complained -- and then because of the corporation's off-screen activities.

The 16-million-strong Southern Baptists launched an unsuccessful boycott of Disney products in the mid-90s after Disney introduced equal rights for gay employees and their partners.

The book says the Baptists also complained about a one-second sequence in the marriage ceremony of The Little Mermaid, which, they said, showed the officiating minister in a state of sexual arousal.

Closer inspection showed that the offending picture actually showed the minister's knee.

"Walt Disney created his animated features to entertain people and to make money, not to evangelise," Pinsky argues.

"If in the process Disney made the world a better place, that was a fine but unintended byproduct. His company was never a philanthropic undertaking."
 

barnum42

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mkt said:
The first ordained character to have a big part in a Disney cartoon was Frollo, the villainous priest in The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and he did not make his appearance until 1996, nearly 60 years after the studio began making feature films.
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That bit is wrong. Frollo was a priest in the original novel. Disney changed him into a Judge for their version.
 

DisneyFan 2000

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So now people are complaining 'cause the park doesn't have churches? Sishh.... You can't have it all. After all, this is an international company...

"The Gospel of Disney is all about me" This is absurd.... They're trying to deliver a message to believe in yourself. Disney isn't writing its own bible.. :rolleyes:

Just my opinion. PLEASE don't flame me...
 

barnum42

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DisneyFan 2000 said:
So now people are complaining 'cause the park doesn't have churches? Sishh.... You can't have it all.
Given how many brands of Christianity there are and that each would demand their own building otherwise they would cry "discrimination", you would have no space left for attractions. Never mind all the other religions of the world requiring space.

Escapism is the thing about the parks and the films. That includes escaping religious intolerance.

You will receive no flames from me my friend :wave:
 

SpongeScott

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Interesting article, Rob. Thanks for posting. I have also noticed Disney's lack of "religious" symbolism or references in their movies and other doings. I have also noticed the things mentioned from Pocohantas, The Lion King, et al. These things have not bothered me, though I don't necessarily agree with the underlying philosophy that one can see being portrayed in the films and some things in the parks. It is my job as a parent to educate my children and to discuss these things when they come up. We don't make a big deal about it, but we will mention it to our kids if we run across what we deem as a conflict in beliefs.

That was a good read. Thanks again, Rob.
 

Shaman

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"The Gospel of Disney is all about me," Pinsky writes. "My dreams. My will. 'When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true.' The Disney bible has but one verse and that's it.

"Walt's religion was built on the unfailing American belief that virtue and hard work will make all your dreams come true."

Pinsky notes that even in the earliest films, the company shied away from religious symbolism. When Geppetto, the woodcarver in Pinocchio, falls to his knees to ask for his puppet to be given life, he does not pray to God, even though his eyes are raised heavenwards, but to a blue fairy.

In Fantasia, the finale may be Schubert's Ave Maria but instead of showing a stained glass window, as originally planned, the film ends with trees forming a gothic arch through which the sunset can be seen.

The book quotes Walt Disney's daughter Sharon as saying that her father, who died in 1966, was a very religious man. "But he did not believe you had to go to church to be religious. He respected every religion. There wasn't any that he ever criticised. He wouldn't even tell religious jokes."

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The book argues that since Disney's death, the company has branched out into animism in Pocahontas, feminism in Beauty and the Beast and Mulan, adventure capitalism in Atlantis, and even Hinduism's great circle of life tradition in The Lion King, which is set in Africa.
Oh please...I think Disney's overall track record speaks for itself...they have been successful...they must be doing something right...:rolleyes:

Thanks for posting, Rob! It was nothing short of an interesting article...
 

careship

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I would I be wrong to say that I thought somewhere in the World Showcase in Epcot there was a religious temple? Would that not count?

I loved the article. I thought it was a great observation on how Disney can entertain without offending anyone. There are far too many flims that are offensive these days and Disney for years have made money and great entertainment without such offenses.
 

barnum42

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careship said:
I would I be wrong to say that I thought somewhere in the World Showcase in Epcot there was a religious temple? Would that not count?
Of course! The stave church in Norway. Well spotted.
 

careship

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barnum42 said:
Of course! The stave church in Norway. Well spotted.

I forgot about that one...LOL...it wasn't the one I was thinking of. I thought it was a temple the door is always closed. It looks made of gold or something. I can't remember where it is, but I remember seeing it a few years ago. So actually barnum, we are both well spotted!!!!
 

Wilt Dasney

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I think some folks might be misinterpreting the author's intent here, if they think he was trying to complain. The point (and it's a really good one, I think) is that Disney has been able to essentially create its own philosophy on how to view [life/the world/reality], has incorporated references to so many phases of [life/the world/reality] into their movies and parks as to make it seem an almost all-encompassing philosophy, and have done so without explicit reference to a single faith-based tradition. Whether this is good or bad is up for debate, but it's certainly worth noting and discussing.

(The ONLY example I can think of where this breaks down is the Candlelight Processional at Epcot, and the one time I saw that, I can remember thinking "I can't believe I'm seeing this in a Disney park.")
 

xfkirsten

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mkt said:
American Christians appear to have scarcely noticed that none of the Disneyland theme parks -- replete with every other aspect of US main street culture -- has a church. The company's cruise liners do not have a single chapel on board.

Why should they only provide facilities for one religion?! It's not like they're trying to stop people from practicing while they're on vacation. They used to actually hold services at the Poly on Sunday mornings, until they outgrew the space there and started just sending people to Mary, Queen of the Universe instead.

mkt said:
Instead, it has quietly subverted the Christian gospel by substituting some decidedly unchristian themes: belief in the power of magic, that good people are handsome, and that what you wish for really can come true.

No! Anything but THAT! We can't let the people of the world have hope. And as for good people are handsome, I can think of two rule-breakers right off the top of my head: Gaston and Quasimodo.

mkt said:
"The Gospel of Disney is all about me," Pinsky writes. "My dreams. My will. 'When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true.' The Disney bible has but one verse and that's it.

Who else would it be about? It's not like the heroes ignore others' happiness.

mkt said:
It got its fingers burnt when Aladdin, made a decade before the attacks on the World Trade Centre, prompted complaints of Arabophobia. All the film's villains have large noses, dark complexions, facial hair and heavy accents.

This one always cracks me up. Aladdin himself has a darker complexion than Jafar. The Sultan has facial hair. And can someone tell me which villain had a heavy Arab accent? :rolleyes: Jafar and Iago didn't!

mkt said:
"Walt Disney created his animated features to entertain people and to make money, not to evangelise," Pinsky argues.

That hits the nail on the head, right there.

-Kirsten
 

careship

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Wasn't missing the point at all. In fact, it was part of Walt's original genius to not offend anyone and make movies that everyone can love and relate to. I was just making reference that they do have a little religion in a couple places. Granted, I know the one I was referring to had to be there in Epcot for those from that particular country to be able to go to the temple while there in the exchange program or something of the such.

I think it is brilliant. That was the reason why I assumed they didn't do Farenheit 9/11 was due to it being one sided. They can't offend people religiously or politically...look at what happened like was said with the baptist community. It is hard to not offend anyone...there was a long time when Disney didn't offend much of anyone. At least they took great strides Not to offend anyone.
 

Bairstow

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The book is quite insightful. While it is commonly believed (especially outside this country) that the Disney company, in staking out economic ground in nations and cultures all over the world, is also a force of cultural imperialism, spreading the traditional western Christian belief system, Pinsky points out that the values Disney's movies endorse are actually its own. Pinsky isn't saying that this is a good or bad thing, only that one should not assume that the Disney Corporation is not a moral emmisary of its culture.

Oh, and Firsten, I think you may be missing the point of the cruiseship chapel comment. Some figures show up to 80% of Americans to regard themselves as Christians in some way or another, and since most passengers on a Disney Cruise ship are going to be American, at least half of them, if not more, are likely to be protestant Christian. Thus, having a chapel of some sort on board is going to be a useful convenience to a very large portion of your customers. Sure, there are going to be a great number of passengers on board who will not attend services on board, and many who are not religious in any way at all, but there are also passengers who can't swim and thus will not use the swimming pool, or aren't into body building and won't use the weight room. Non-denominational Christian chapels are VERY common in cruise ships because they offer a service that a large number of the passengers can and will use even though not ALL the passengers want access to one. In typical Disney fashion, the company would rather opt not to offer a service that many will enjoy if it risks offending a few. Again, it shows the company going out of its way to dissasociate itself from mainstream western religion, and whether or not you like it it has been a successful policy.
 

xfkirsten

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I don't see anything wrong with Disney not wanting to offend anyone at all in that way. Maybe most of America does consider themselves Christians, but I'm sure the number who actually regularly attend services is much lower. In any case, there's no law saying they have to have a chapel. I see no reason why they should be condemned for not having one. I'm sure that the majority of the people going on such a cruise do not base their final choice on whether or not a chapel is present.

-Kirsten
 

barnum42

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xfkirsten said:
I don't see anything wrong with Disney not wanting to offend anyone at all in that way. Maybe most of America does consider themselves Christians, but I'm sure the number who actually regularly attend services is much lower. In any case, there's no law saying they have to have a chapel. I see no reason why they should be condemned for not having one. I'm sure that the majority of the people going on such a cruise do not base their final choice on whether or not a chapel is present.

-Kirsten
If God is omnipresent, surely a Christian can worship him anywhere and does not need an officially designated room to do so?
 

MKCP 1985

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Wilt Dasney said:
I think some folks might be misinterpreting the author's intent here, if they think he was trying to complain. The point (and it's a really good one, I think) is that Disney has been able to essentially create its own philosophy on how to view [life/the world/reality], has incorporated references to so many phases of [life/the world/reality] into their movies and parks as to make it seem an almost all-encompassing philosophy, and have done so without explicit reference to a single faith-based tradition. Whether this is good or bad is up for debate, but it's certainly worth noting and discussing.

(The ONLY example I can think of where this breaks down is the Candlelight Processional at Epcot, and the one time I saw that, I can remember thinking "I can't believe I'm seeing this in a Disney park.")

From our newest professional writer/reporter, religion page no less? More, more!

IMO, Disney walks a difficult path. It has drawn criticism from some church leaders for its business practices, but the rank and file members of those churches continue to return to the Disney properties year after year because they recognize, individually, that Disney provides the best family atmosphere anywhere.
 

Bairstow

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barnum42 said:
If God is omnipresent, surely a Christian can worship him anywhere and does not need an officially designated room to do so?

Someone who is into personal fitness can exercise and work out almost anywhere. They can run laps around the deck, do pushups and crunches in their room, and maybe find a stairwell with a piece of railing or pipe that they can do pullups with. Still, it's more fun and easier to exercise with dedicated exercise equipment and with people who are also into working out, which is why cruise ships usually have exercise rooms.
 

Wilt Dasney

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MKCP 1986 said:
From our newest professional writer/reporter, religion page no less? More, more!

IMO, Disney walks a difficult path. It has drawn criticism from some church leaders for its business practices, but the rank and file members of those churches continue to return to the Disney properties year after year because they recognize, individually, that Disney provides the best family atmosphere anywhere.

Well, that was certainly my ego boost for the day, although I'm not sure what else I can really add here.

I have spent a good bit time thinking about how Disney distinguishes itself from the competition, and some of the consequences of that separation. If you go to Cedar Point or a Six Flags park, their only purpose is to amuse and entertain you for a few hours. You'll receive no philosophy lessons or morality lessons, just some quick thrills. Although Disney is essentially out to do the same thing, they set forth some very lofty ideals on their way to getting those entertainment/amusement dollars, and because of these raised standards of presentation, they ultimately create a demand for themselves to fill far beyond that of their competitors, one I'm not sure anyone can fill adequately (although I'm sure there are those who would vigorously debate me on that conclusion).

The competition says "Fun is good" or just "fun is fun," to abandon all attempts at eloquence. Disney (to me) says "fun is right," "fun is justified," and even "fun is everything." I can remember as a kid, after a full day at the MK, feeling a sense of "Disney burnout." Although I couldn't have told you what I was feeling then, upon reflection (and many more full days at the MK), I think I know what it is.

For the unsuspecting patron, Disney can almost elevate itself to a godlike status in their mind without the patron even realizing it. The invisible hand is felt so strongly within Disney's borders, the "Disney way" so prevalent, that I find it easy to forget that Disney is not in control of EVERYTHING while I'm there. Of course, at the end of the day, the fireworks fade, the crowd rushes for the gates, I return to reality, and Disney is not there. Oh, sure, there are songs and memories, but the unspoken promises--the giddy guarantees that wishing on a star will make it so--fade like mist in the summer, and I return to reality, confronting once again the fact that, while it's a good philosophy, it is ultimately a hollow one. (I realize that this is somewhat dramatized, and that for many folks, they simply never vest enough into Disney to reach this point, OR they find that the philosophy actually stays with them when the fireworks have faded).

As I said earlier, witnessing the Candlelight Processional at Epcot a year and a half ago was quite a shock to me. There were no Cast Members with plastered-on smiles, no contrived story to justify the Disney worldview, no moment of "Well, that was nice, what's next?" I won't try to convert anyone here, because frankly, I'm not a very religious guy myself, but I felt real emotion watching that show, a genuine connection to something bigger. The narration was earnest, not performed in rote, and the music carried a message that I simply had trouble believing was being expressed right in the midst of the pseudo-real, perfectly whitewashed pavilions of World Showcase. I wept that night, not a little, a reaction no other Disney attraction ever elicited from me. I won't try to explain why; I'm not sure I know, and it doesn't really matter, I guess.

For the record, I am not anti-Disney. I have immense respect for what they do there, even more after having been a "part of the magic" for 5 months. But I guess I temper my affection for them with a more cautious look at what all they do represents. Hopefully, I haven't come off like a space alien here describing what I feel...I'm sure there are others who have to have shared these sensations, to some degree.

At any rate, I have to go out and buy dinner now, so I'm done. :wave:
 

Yellow Shoes

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Wilt Dasney said:
Candlelight Processional at Epcot a year and a half ago was quite a shock to me. ...I felt real emotion watching that show, a genuine connection to something bigger. The narration was earnest, not performed in rote, and the music carried a message that I simply had trouble believing was being expressed right in the midst of the pseudo-real, perfectly whitewashed pavilions of World Showcase. I wept that night, not a little, a reaction no other Disney attraction ever elicited from me. I won't try to explain why; I'm not sure I know, and it doesn't really matter, I guess.

I would suggest that it wasn't Disney magic you were feeling. As has been pointed out above, you don't need a church to find God.
 

barnum42

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Bairstow said:
Someone who is into personal fitness can exercise and work out almost anywhere. They can run laps around the deck, do pushups and crunches in their room, and maybe find a stairwell with a piece of railing or pipe that they can do pullups with. Still, it's more fun and easier to exercise with dedicated exercise equipment and with people who are also into working out, which is why cruise ships usually have exercise rooms.
And at least in church you don't have to look at people wearing spandex / lycra who should maybe have made a different selection of garment :lol:
 

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