Figment632
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Doesn't it use the same basic system as GMR?
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How did Universe of Energy survive but not Horizons and WOM?
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Doesn't it use the same basic system as GMR?
BrerFrog
Active Member
Yeah, that is what I thought as well.
Yeah I hear ya! I guess I dont mean MS is crap but its an okay ride, nothing I rush for and not really memorable to me personally I guess :shrug:
To each their own.
If UOE stays I just wish the preshow and the finale could get an update. I think the exterior of the building is awesome looking and the AA's are good, but its kinda boring after a few times. Would like that to get some rework and also the Odyssey what a shame that the location cant get something better!! Its a good location but man is that building ugly!
I know you make an excellent point. What a shame that WOL pavilion remains shuttered, its not a bad location and the outside of the building is kinda cool looking IMO. :shrug:
loveofamouse
Well-Known Member
I hope m:s isn't that bad. I haven't ridden it yet. The only ride at VK I haven't ridden. lol. 1x I was prego. 2nd time got in fight with the grandparents and left. 3rd time kids wanted to go back to MK instead.
That is pretty much it.
Master Gracey 5
Active Member
I'm with you, I'm a M:S fan too. I enjoy the ride immensely and tend to find those who hate it are the ones who get sick on it and never go back or are simply nostalgic for Horizons (something I can understand since I feel the same about Stitch).
BrerFrog
Active Member
Bingo! I have never been to Horizons as I have only visited Disney long after the attraction was closed, and I love Mission Space. And the same goes for a lot of people who are in the same situation as I am.
I am not saying everybody who hates/dislikes M:S is biased and blinded by nostalgia, but I will go ahead and say most are. :lookaroun
Wakkie Nu Nu
New Member
BrerFrog hit it pretty well.... Horizons and WoM have large and sizable fan bases because they're gone. UoE doesn't because it's still there. End of story.
Look, I loved Horizons and WoM, some of my best childhood WDW memories are from those rides (I considered Horizons my single favorite attraction as a kid), but I also remember UoE fondly (those were some amazing AA scenes in the mid-80s!), and had it vanished in the night instead of getting an Ellen layover, I'd be willing to bet the tiny vocal minority would be skewering its replacement and shedding tears over it as well.... likewise, if Horizons or WoM had stayed, you'd hear complaints about that stale corner of the park no one ever goes to (like UoE now).
As in celebrity, the best thing you can do for your career is, unfortunately, to die young. Horizons and WoM did, so they have the cult following, reputation, and the villagers in a tizzy as to their demise... their untimely end lets us forget that they were failing empty walk-on attractions at the end of their lifespan (as, say, we forget about fat Elvis playing to half empty theaters in Vegas and being woefully "uncool"). UoE, meanwhile, is the old rock star hanging on playing in casinos and art festivals who has become a caricature of himself.... and so it goes.
Look, I loved Horizons and WoM, some of my best childhood WDW memories are from those rides (I considered Horizons my single favorite attraction as a kid), but I also remember UoE fondly (those were some amazing AA scenes in the mid-80s!), and had it vanished in the night instead of getting an Ellen layover, I'd be willing to bet the tiny vocal minority would be skewering its replacement and shedding tears over it as well.... likewise, if Horizons or WoM had stayed, you'd hear complaints about that stale corner of the park no one ever goes to (like UoE now).
As in celebrity, the best thing you can do for your career is, unfortunately, to die young. Horizons and WoM did, so they have the cult following, reputation, and the villagers in a tizzy as to their demise... their untimely end lets us forget that they were failing empty walk-on attractions at the end of their lifespan (as, say, we forget about fat Elvis playing to half empty theaters in Vegas and being woefully "uncool"). UoE, meanwhile, is the old rock star hanging on playing in casinos and art festivals who has become a caricature of himself.... and so it goes.
Figment632
New Member
I disagree with the theater it is a unique ride system it just needs to be updated.
sorcerergoofy
New Member
Maybe because UOE's "host" is one of the most famous people out there? Ellen is the only reason I still go!
Lucky
Well-Known Member
Then the best theme park ever is Hard Rock Park.
misterID
Well-Known Member
Nah, UOE has never had a big fanbase. WOM and Horizons did. Everyone agrees those rides needed to be updated, Horizons anyway, but its not getting "love" now just because its gone. People don't miss Imagination only because its no longer there (because really, its not). WOM and Horizons were much bigger pieces of EPCOT than UOE.
I agree that the hate directed at M:S has a lot to do with what it replaced than the ride itself. EPCOT needed a thrill ride, but it replaced a staple of EPCOT.
And it really wouldn't take a lot to update UOE.
I dont get sick and I really dont feel nostalgic for Horizons either, just wish that MS was put in a different location at Epcot
Figment632
New Member
Why and what location?
The older UOE far as the show was a real sleeper and made you feel that you were held captive. You got over that feeling once you went and seen the Dinosaurs, I love the re-themed new show with Ellen that really makes the ride enjoyable. I am glad this ride was not lost. I like others was sad to see Horizons, Imagination and Body wars gone. I loved those pavillions. MS is a good ride and would have been a very good addition if the other rides would have stayed. MS when you think about it is really cool and does give one a pretty good sence of being in a rocket and blasting off. A lot of imagination was put into this ride to pull off a concept that really is a hard thing to do when you think about it.
EpcotServo
Well-Known Member
I dunno'. I thought you'd guys might feel this way, so I actually looked it up, and found his phone number, so let's give him a call!
---Ringing
---Ringing
---Ringing
UOE: "Hello?"
Me: "Universe of Energy?"
UOE: "Yo."
Me: "How's it going man?"
UOE: "Good. Good. No complaints."
Me: "So, hey...We were just in this thread and someone asked this. Thought you might have some insight...How come you're still around and Horizons and stuff are gone?"
UOE: "You know, not a day goes by I don't ask myself the same question."
Me: "Yeah?"
UOE: "I think I'm pretty cool...I mean, I still have some of the most complicated technology at WDW, but I just don't have it in me to be as flashy as Tower of Terror, or as moving as Horizons. I try and meet new people and make a good impression, but people just don't think about me. I mean, I'm funny right? I think I'm funny. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm so easy to run, and such a long attraction. I feel bad since Horizons was such a great guy, and world of motion wasn't too shabby, and now I'm pretty much the last guy left."
Me: "What about Spaceship Earth?"
UOE: "Oh, don't even get me started on that guy. Always lordin' it's geosphere over us. Guy has a serious problem ever since that imagineer said Horizons should have been inside it. Never got over that. Way back when, Vic Perrin refused to run lines with it, so Spaceship Earth walked out months before opening, it was a big mess and everything."
Me: "Wow. Really interesting. So what's next on your plate, now that you're getting into your golden years?"
UOE: "Oh I don't know, I'm still hangin' around here watching the kids, but when Mission Space's parents get back I have a feeling their gonna' take the guy to a boot camp, seriously hard to handle. Then I figure I'll probably head down to Palm Beach, kick around for awhile, stay with this guy I know, has a timeshare right on the beach, then probably after that I got a gig up in Tulsa, have some work there for a bit."
Me: "Well we gotta' go Universe of Energy, say...it was real interesting to talk with you. Thanks a bunch."
UOE: "Anytime, hey-You kids have fun out there, and remember-If you see Body Wars tell em' he owes me 20 bucks ok?"
ME: -Laughs- "Bye!"
UOE: "Take care!"
-HANGS UP-
...
Wow, still after all these years....What a nice guy. Yeah. He's a survivor.
---Ringing
---Ringing
---Ringing
UOE: "Hello?"
Me: "Universe of Energy?"
UOE: "Yo."
Me: "How's it going man?"
UOE: "Good. Good. No complaints."
Me: "So, hey...We were just in this thread and someone asked this. Thought you might have some insight...How come you're still around and Horizons and stuff are gone?"
UOE: "You know, not a day goes by I don't ask myself the same question."
Me: "Yeah?"
UOE: "I think I'm pretty cool...I mean, I still have some of the most complicated technology at WDW, but I just don't have it in me to be as flashy as Tower of Terror, or as moving as Horizons. I try and meet new people and make a good impression, but people just don't think about me. I mean, I'm funny right? I think I'm funny. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm so easy to run, and such a long attraction. I feel bad since Horizons was such a great guy, and world of motion wasn't too shabby, and now I'm pretty much the last guy left."
Me: "What about Spaceship Earth?"
UOE: "Oh, don't even get me started on that guy. Always lordin' it's geosphere over us. Guy has a serious problem ever since that imagineer said Horizons should have been inside it. Never got over that. Way back when, Vic Perrin refused to run lines with it, so Spaceship Earth walked out months before opening, it was a big mess and everything."
Me: "Wow. Really interesting. So what's next on your plate, now that you're getting into your golden years?"
UOE: "Oh I don't know, I'm still hangin' around here watching the kids, but when Mission Space's parents get back I have a feeling their gonna' take the guy to a boot camp, seriously hard to handle. Then I figure I'll probably head down to Palm Beach, kick around for awhile, stay with this guy I know, has a timeshare right on the beach, then probably after that I got a gig up in Tulsa, have some work there for a bit."
Me: "Well we gotta' go Universe of Energy, say...it was real interesting to talk with you. Thanks a bunch."
UOE: "Anytime, hey-You kids have fun out there, and remember-If you see Body Wars tell em' he owes me 20 bucks ok?"
ME: -Laughs- "Bye!"
UOE: "Take care!"
-HANGS UP-
...
Wow, still after all these years....What a nice guy. Yeah. He's a survivor.
Horizons and WoM's popularity are directly proportional to the amount of time you spent with AAs while on the ride and the number of set pieces. WoM had around 200 AAs, 30 sets and was 15 minutes long. Horizons had 50 AAs, 25 sets and was 15 minutes long. UoE has 35 AAs, 1 long set and is 7 minutes long (excluding the films - I'm just referring to the moving portion). Horizons and WoM featured music pervasive throughout the entirety of the attractions; UoE does not (don't get me wrong, the two original songs are terrific, but you're not bombarded with them throughout the ride portion).
And that right there is why Horizons and WoM (like Pirates, the Haunted Mansion and Spaceship Earth - and the original JII) have massive dedicated fanbases, and the UoE has less of one. Long darkrides can be enjoyed by everyone (from 4 to 70) and people can develop affection for them over time.
And that right there is why Horizons and WoM (like Pirates, the Haunted Mansion and Spaceship Earth - and the original JII) have massive dedicated fanbases, and the UoE has less of one. Long darkrides can be enjoyed by everyone (from 4 to 70) and people can develop affection for them over time.