Horizons

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I know I've read, probably on here, that part of the thought process of taking Horizons down is that it wasn't forward-thinking or futuristic enough, after the many years it had been open. I mean, how much more forward-thinking can you be, to display underwater and space colonies? We certainly don't have those in 2015, although I hope that one day we do have them. I think that given reason was and is pretty flimsy as an excuse.
I think the real problem was people had seen it enough and were just not re-riding the attraction. If it had been changed up periodically the desire to ride it again would have been there. Disney just was not willing to flip the bill on their own to do so.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
It certainly isn't. The clones for Anaheim and Paris were cancelled on the back of the disappointing reaction to the Orlando version. Not to mention the need to scrap two of the centrifuges.

It's good for what it is, but should have been a lot better (and the preshow to the real pavilion)
The post show sucks. There is no way around that.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I think the real problem was people had seen it enough and were just not re-riding the attraction. If it had been changed up periodically the desire to ride it again would have been there. Disney just was not willing to flip the bill on their own to do so.
Indeed. What was proposed was an update of the scale SSE had in late 1993. But Disney wanted someone else to pay and had no AT&T for the pavilion.
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
Indeed. What was proposed was an update of the scale SSE had in late 1993. But Disney wanted someone else to pay and had no AT&T for the pavilion.
How does it come to pass that they can get Compaq to invest in a completely new pavilion but cannot get them or anyone else to invest in updating an existing one? Or was there Compaq product placement up the wazoo in that not very good Mission to Mars movie? I can't recall as I only watched it the one time.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
While you're right that the average park visitor probably doesn't even remember Horizons, there is enough of a consistent sense on the forums that Horizons is greatly missed to make that an important viewpoint. You could easily make the point that ALL of the folks who frequent online fan forums are such a small percentage of Disney park visitors that they don't really matter. But I feel that there are enough of us who know enough and care enough about the parks and are vocal about our feelings and disappointments to make up an important part of the park storming populace. And there are so many online folks that have mentioned a love for Horizons that I think it's a valid point of view that Disney made a bad move there by destroying it.

And you are in a very small minority of folks who like Mission: Space better than Horizons.
I understand what your saying, however, I'm not convinced that ending Horizons was a bad move. It really had lost a lot of ridership over the years and that was mostly those of us that liked it and supported it, but, it felt sad to me to go in there and just walk up to the front of the line (no, not a FP in sight) after feeling how vibrant it once was. The very core of dark rides had changed in the thoughts of the public and it wasn't any draw at all. So, if one had to make the decision to close it and replace it with a new experience and, for TDC, new money, it was a no brainer. It was once great, it had run it's course and needed to be replaced.

To your point, whether or not Mission: Space was the right move, I guess that's up to individual opinions. I do think that had it not had that terrible bad luck of the two deaths, it would have stayed very popular and been a great addition. However, none of us really know that for sure. I do know that it even scared me and delayed me from riding it for a few years because it's intensity probably did contribute to the unfortunate deaths. But, a bigger reason came from the fact that through the years, WDW had attained a reputation of nice, safe family rides. People ignored the warning signs and merely thought it was just the lawyers covering butt, and rode it anyway. Immediately, those with inner ear problems, known or unknown, experienced massive motion sickness and in the two isolated instances, death cause by a preexisting condition, again either known or unknown.

Whatever the reason is, Horizons is gone and it isn't coming back. All the continued mourning isn't going to change anything and it just sounds like an inability to move on. Good or bad, it is reality. The other part that I have a somewhat stubborn outlook on is that I still feel that one cannot rely on memory to tell the real story of how much better it was. We all tend to just remember the parts that were awesome. For me it was the smell of the oranges, that and the coupling of whatever the current theme of CoP was at the time that connected the two, be it, Now is the Best Time or Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow. I will get beat up for this, but, I always, from day one, thought the "choice" endings stunk to high heaven.
 

alissafalco

Well-Known Member
Horizons was awe-inspiring. Misson:Space is puke-inducing. I'd rather ride any spinning carnival ride than be trapped on that vomitron again.
While it didn't make me vomit, I think the most entertaining part of that ride is watching everyone sick on the bench as you leave.
 
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morningstar

Well-Known Member
Plus it didn't have a sponsor (that was the biggy).

Pretty much all of the Future World pavilions lost their original sponsors. Some got replacements, but I think all went without sponsors for some time. Seas, Energy, and Imagination still have no sponsor IIRC. But they're still around.
 

ShoalFox

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
Pretty much all of the Future World pavilions lost their original sponsors. Some got replacements, but I think all went without sponsors for some time. Seas, Energy, and Imagination still have no sponsor IIRC. But they're still around.
As well as The Land pavilion (except for Living with the Land)
 

EpcotMark

Active Member
In regards to the Sinkhole Theory, I worked Operations at Mission Space just after it opened. What I was told in training was that the foundation of Horizons was sinking. One of few times that Disney demolished a whole building to build another attraction. The only time it ever happened at Epcot for sure.
 

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