Horizons....

[wbc]

You mean when it was half open and half closed and nobody knew when it was going to be open until you walked by it in the park?

Yes, let's look at those wait times. Are they posted somewhere? Or are we just going by anecdotal evidence? Because the last (only) time I went on MS, it was a walk-on.

:lol:

Ok man. You can continue being skeptical of the popularity of Mission:Space over Horizons all you want. You can hide behind your lie and continue with your chronic debunking. Anyone that honestly thinks that Horizons would be more popular than Mission:Space in these current times are so convinced in a lie that they believe it to be true.

I also love the fact that you've been on it one time. I'd say your opinion is rather bias

Just because you have never seen a wait doesn't mean that there never has been one. Just because you dislike Mission:Space doesn't mean everyone else should. Just because you think it should have never taken the place of Horizons doesn't mean it shouldn't have.
:animwink:

p.s. wdwmagic occasionally posts wait times on Twitter

 

[Krack]

Exactly.
And there have been people on this very site who had long wait times for Horizons.

I can't say I can ever remember my longest wait on Horizons, but I remember like it was yesterday waiting in the queue for WoM where every single switchback outside the building underneath the spiral ramp were in us ... and the line stretched past the switchbacks and down the pathway. That line was at least 2 hours.

 

[Enchantâmes]

Thanks everybody! I asked my DH if he remembers Horizons from our honeymoon in '94 but he didn't. I guess it was closed by then. BTW, I love Mission Space. Only the intense version (after taking motion sickness pills though) the mild is too wimpy, I mean what's the point? :shrug:

It closed in 98/99 I rode it in 1997.

And When I went on MS back when it opened in 2003 I had a 5 minute wait, never been on it since (and I go to the parks alot) Mission: SPACE is a shining example of budget cuts.

 

[Krack]

:lol:

Ok man. You can continue being skeptical of the popularity of Mission:Space over Horizons all you want. You can hide behind your lie and continue with your chronic debunking. Anyone that honestly thinks that Horizons would be more popular than Mission:Space in these current times are so convinced in a lie that they believe it to be true.

I also love the fact that you've been on it one time. I'd say your opinion is rather bias

Just because you have never seen a wait doesn't mean that there never has been one. Just because you dislike Mission:Space doesn't mean everyone else should. Just because you think it should have never taken the place of Horizons doesn't mean it shouldn't have.
:animwink:

p.s. wdwmagic occasionally posts wait times on Twitter

You are the one suggesting we compare wait times. Let's compare. Where are they? And while we're comparing, let's compare average number of riders per day (I'm sure you have that information readily available, too).

 

[LorangeJuice]

But...... I've seen waits of over two hours for Mission:Space

From my experience, this does happen, although rarely now. It seemed to happen more often toward the beginning of M:S's life. What I have heard around the boards was that anytime the wait for M:S went above 120 min or so was because an entire pod was down...which mostly happened because someone yacked in it, which I also heard happened often - especially in the beginning (pre-green and pre-barf bags days lol).

Just relaying what I've heard. Makes sense to me, but take it for what it's worth...

 

[wbc]

You are the one suggesting we compare wait times. Let's compare. Where are they? And while we're comparing, let's compare average number of riders per day (I'm sure you have that information readily available, too).

Well thanks for the invitation. I will submit the wait times from the wdw wait time iPhone app every day until this thread is dead.

Starting with today:

4:18PM: 50 minutes
03:31PM: 60 minutes


This is starting out well, don't you think?

I hope you can find similar information for Horizons.

 

[stlbobby]

One other point. The claim M:S isn't a good attraction because it isn't family friendly or has a narrow focus doesn't really hold water. I know Walt wanted a place where kids and adults could have fun together, and I believe Disney has succeeded in that mission.

What Walt didn't intend and isn't really possible that absolutely every attraction please 100% of the people. The parks as a whole have a variety of experiences that can be enjoyed by a range of people. A family with kids, teens, parents, and grandparents can all go and enjoy the parks as a whole together. Obviously different things will appeal to different individuals and there will be overlap, but not every single person is going to love everything.

M:S was designed satiate the thrill seekers. It is extremely intense and offers a unique thrilling experience. It isn't intended as a family ride, but as the ride dad and his teenage son can conquer will mom and the baby check out Mouse Gear.

If the family friendly yardstick were applied to every ride at WDW ToT, RnR, Space Mountain, BTM, Splash, EE, and Kali, would all have to close or be significantly altered so everyone could enjoy them.

 

[wbc]

From my experience, this does happen, although rarely now. It seemed to happen more often toward the beginning of M:S's life. What I have heard around the boards was that anytime the wait for M:S went above 120 min or so was because an entire pod was down...which mostly happened because someone yacked in it, which I also heard happened often - especially in the beginning (pre-green and pre-barf bags days lol).

Just relaying what I've heard. Makes sense to me, but take it for what it's worth...

Waits reached over 120 minutes the entire week I was there in Dec. 2009. I've see waits of an hour happen nearly every afternoon on previous trips since it opened. I've gone in June, May, November, December, etc the past decade and there is rarely a "walk in" time for Mission:Space. I'd say that the first couple years before the "green" rides was the lightest lines the ride saw. That was also before Fast Pass.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

And M:S still sucks.

Opinion. I think it's pretty great. So do a lot of first timers who come.

 

[Krack]

Well thanks for the invitation. I will submit the wait times from the wdw wait time iPhone app every day until this thread is dead.

Starting with today:

4:18PM: 50 minutes
03:31PM: 60 minutes


This is starting out well, don't you think?

I hope you can find similar information for Horizons.

Sure.

I'll start with Nov 1, 1983:

1:00PM: 120 minutes

That settles it, Horizons was clearly more popular. Interesting conversation.*

*And by interesting, I mean completely boring and unproductive.

 

[misterID]

Opinion. I think it's pretty great. So do a lot of first timers who come.

Yeah, I was just messing around.

WBC... That's compeletly, completely lame. It really doesn't matter what the wait times were, as we already said, you can't even compare the 2 because of the ride systems. And would it matter, anyway?

 

[wbc]

Sure.

I'll start with Nov 1, 1983:

1:00PM: 120 minutes

That settles it, Horizons was clearly more popular. Interesting conversation.*

*And by interesting, I mean completely boring and unproductive.

You're the one who initiated the proof of wait times. Also, where is your source for that wait times?

Your arguments so moot they're almost laughable. They're treading water in a sea of personal bias based on your own opinions.

This forum cracks me up. Any topic relating to Horizons stirs so many emotions people can't think logically. Everyone gets their feathers ruffled up. You'd think we were talking about religious dogma, abortion, or the death penalty.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Soarin is considered a thrill ride? It's a movie where your feet hang. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it quite a bit (although, I find it's complete lacking of themeing deplorable - at least DCA made a slight effort), but it's not what I would call a thrill ride. And Test Track, imo, is no more thrilling than my drive into work everyday. At least on my drive to work I get to control the car and make it go faster than 60 mph.

65 m.p.h actually. Think about it it's one of the fastest rides in Orlando it goes faster than the Hungarian Horntail at IOA. It goes as fast as Hollywood Rip, Ride Rockit. A lot of first-timers find it thrilling.

 

[wm49rs]

One time, in December 2008, I saw a 75-minute wait for Maelstrom. Does that make it a thrill ride as well, or were people just that desperate to ride anything right then and there? :brick:

 

[wbc]

Yeah, I was just messing around.

WBC... That's compeletly, completely lame. It really doesn't matter what the wait times were, as we already said, you can't even compare the 2 because of the ride systems. And would it matter, anyway?

ok man.

Hmmmm. What are some more methods to see which one is more possible.


http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=mission+space+epcot&word2=horizons+epcot


here guys. Debunk that one.

 

[wbc]

One time, in December 2008, I saw a 75-minute wait for Maelstrom. Does that make it a thrill ride as well, or were people just that desperate to ride anything right then and there? :brick:

Thrill

feel sudden intense sensation or emotion

Ride

be carried or travel on or in a vehicle

That would depend if the ride 'thrilled' you or not. It's a matter of opinions. Kind of like whether or not Mission:Space is a good ride or not. Maelstrom 'thrilled' me as a child.

Putting labels on things is a waste of time.

 

[stlbobby]

Soarin is considered a thrill ride? It's a movie where your feet hang. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it quite a bit (although, I find it's complete lacking of themeing deplorable - at least DCA made a slight effort), but it's not what I would call a thrill ride. And Test Track, imo, is no more thrilling than my drive into work everyday. At least on my drive to work I get to control the car and make it go faster than 60 mph.

Yes both of those are considered thrill rides. Soarin' would fall into the mild thrills subcategory, but many people are scared by it. It is intense in the effect it creates. Intellectually you know you are barely moving, but it makes you feel like you are Soarin'.

Test Track is more than just driving fast. It is banked curves, hard stops, and hairpins turns.

I'm not arguing that these are thrills on par with the best coasters in the world or even the top thrills at WDW, but they are the kinds of things the average guest associates with an amusement park and what was missing from EPCOT before their arrival.

stlbobby, I don't think anyone is arguing the fact that EPCOT needed thrill rides.

It hasn't been implicity stated on this thread, but it has been alluded to. And on other threads that have discussed this topic it has been stated that EPCOT didn't need thrills. In fact it has been explicitly stated that thrill rides and characters are some sort of defiling of the purity that is EPCOT.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the educational and inspirational aspects of EPCOT, but I see why it needs thrill rides to survive. And I personally enjoy those thrills mixed in with the learning.

 

[WorldKey]

Perhaps if they redo Horizons they will include some Pixar characters.

Good one! Or maybe throw in a Princess or two :lol:

 

[Krack]

You're the one who initiated the proof of wait times. Also, where is your source for that wait times?

You act like this message board doesn't keep posts over an hour. You suggested we compare wait times:

Let's look at wait times of Horizons the pat few years of its life versus the wait times of Mission:Space since it opened.

All I did was say, "Go ahead, compare". It's not my fault the data doesn't exist; (unlike yourself) I never pretended or suggested it did. I will point out again, as I did earlier, that anecdotes in a conversation like this are useless.

How's this for an anecdote? I don't like Mission Space. I rode it once, I didn't find it exciting, it made my 60 year old father nauseous, and we both walked out saying "I can't believe they tore down Horizons to build this." If I wanted to spin around in a circle for 5 minutes I could do so at any Six Flags in the country - as far as WDI goes, I'm even slightly impressed.

 

[Krack]

A lot of first-timers find it thrilling.

What is this supposed to mean? I don't find it thrilling, however, because some other guy finds it thrilling the first time he rides it, it somehow becomes thrilling to me? Are you saying that the second time (and subsequent times) it's not so thrilling? Because if you are, you're tacitly admitting that WDI built a ride that people won't want to ride more than once - which is the same indictment I made.