jakeman
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Neither did the public.
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ERich2010
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one time, i was stuck on ToT for about 30 minutes. i decided i wanted to talk to some people to kill time. i looked to my left: large, hairy man. i looked to my right: two very attractive british girls who were my age. best half hour of my life
Grizzly Hall 71
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It was a dark ride replaced by a more thrilling ride (and better ride IMO) that Epcot needed.
Runs and goes hide in The Advanced Training Lab.
Runs and goes hide in The Advanced Training Lab.
SOLISIMO
Member
Did the hairy man have interesting war stories:shrug:
ERich2010
Member
haha! :ROFLOL:
i couldnt tell ya, i was too caught up in another conversation. or should i say 2 conversations...
SOLISIMO
Member
hahaha when I read that it just poped in my head and had to type it:lol:
Trolling again, I see.
It was the Yeti. They severely sedated him (and I mean severely) and hung him from the roof in EE.
wbc
New Member
He's right.
Let's look at wait times of Horizons the pat few years of its life versus the wait times of Mission:Space since it opened.
Horizonsfan
Well-Known Member
It's true, an attraction that had gone well beyond EC 10-yr update schedule wasn't pulling in the crowds. Also bear in mind that we're still 3 years away from M:S hitting the 10-year mark and it's crowds aren't what they were during the attraction's first 5 yrs. The crowds aren't at a Horizons circa 1998 level, but it still isn't what TDO had hoped for. It's the nature of the environment.
misterID
Well-Known Member
Totally agree.
Absolutely agree.
Grizzly Hall 71
New Member
Master Yoda is right. The new decade's visitors have grown up on mostly thrill rides and that's what they're looking for. It's possible to make a thrill ride educational look at the Sum of All Thrills. If that's a sign of what's next to come for Epcot then a see a great big beautiful tomorrow for Epcot!! (as soon ad they re-do JIY)
misterID
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wbc
New Member
Horizons had roughly double the riders per hour as Mission:Space.
But...... I've seen waits of over two hours for Mission:Space
I've never seen a wait longer than five minutes on Horizons since 1989.
You mean when it was half open and half closed and nobody knew when it was going to be open until you walked by it in the park?
Yes, let's look at those wait times. Are they posted somewhere? Or are we just going by anecdotal evidence? Because the last (only) time I went on MS, it was a walk-on.
stlbobby
Well-Known Member
I think one point that has been kind of alluded to but needs to be made is this isn't just about these two rides. This about EPCOT as a whole. M:S provides the big thrill that was completely absent before TT, M:S, and Soarin'.
I know many will say that is the point, EPCOT didn't need thrill rides, but to be a sustainable park it does need some thrills. They have to satisfy a wide range of people to keep the park viable, and large segment of the population isn't going to patronize an amusement park if there isn't a single thrill ride.
For some people the educational and inspiring nature of the original EPCOT Center was enough, but for your average park goer it was a conundrum not worth repeating or recommending. That is not a sustainable business model.
I actually think they have done a great job of keeping the educational and inspiring aspects, but making them a bit more accessible. Turtle Talk with Crush is a perfect example. Some deplore the addition of a movie character to the pavilion, but Crush engages the kids and makes them eager to learn about sea life. Meet and Greets are another maligned addition to EPCOT, but having Belle in France gets the kids excited and a connection to explore the land.
M:S itself has a great deal to offer for those interested in learning about actual space flight, not as much as Kennedy, but enough to inspire young people to further explore. And that seems to me to be the real thrust of EPCOT expand the mind, offer glimpses into different worlds, inspiring guests to continue the experience after leaving the park.
EPCOT could be run as a museum and be exclusively educational, but then it would need grants and donations to sustain it.
I know many will say that is the point, EPCOT didn't need thrill rides, but to be a sustainable park it does need some thrills. They have to satisfy a wide range of people to keep the park viable, and large segment of the population isn't going to patronize an amusement park if there isn't a single thrill ride.
For some people the educational and inspiring nature of the original EPCOT Center was enough, but for your average park goer it was a conundrum not worth repeating or recommending. That is not a sustainable business model.
I actually think they have done a great job of keeping the educational and inspiring aspects, but making them a bit more accessible. Turtle Talk with Crush is a perfect example. Some deplore the addition of a movie character to the pavilion, but Crush engages the kids and makes them eager to learn about sea life. Meet and Greets are another maligned addition to EPCOT, but having Belle in France gets the kids excited and a connection to explore the land.
M:S itself has a great deal to offer for those interested in learning about actual space flight, not as much as Kennedy, but enough to inspire young people to further explore. And that seems to me to be the real thrust of EPCOT expand the mind, offer glimpses into different worlds, inspiring guests to continue the experience after leaving the park.
EPCOT could be run as a museum and be exclusively educational, but then it would need grants and donations to sustain it.
misterID
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
And there have been people on this very site who had long wait times for Horizons.
And Horizons was never meant to have long wait lines. HM , another omnimover, wouldn't have near the wait times it has if it didn't have the Stretching Room.
stlbobby, I don't think anyone is arguing the fact that EPCOT needed thrill rides.
Soarin is considered a thrill ride? It's a movie where your feet hang. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it quite a bit (although, I find it's complete lacking of themeing deplorable - at least DCA made a slight effort), but it's not what I would call a thrill ride. And Test Track, imo, is no more thrilling than my drive into work everyday. At least on my drive to work I get to control the car and make it go faster than 60 mph.