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Rumor Hollywood insiders say there's growing tension at Disney as CEO Bob Chapek chafes at Bob Iger's 'long goodbye'
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
After the closings for “new” minilands?
…probably somewhere between -5% and 10% seat capacity…based on what the big brother staffing computer will allocate to them
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The little mermaid was a net add…do the math. Dumbo spins at 200% the rate.
They closed down - even if old and obselete mostly - probably more ride/show capacity at mgm to build what little they ended up building.
Rat is a net add and soarin…but you can deduct wonders of life and until now UoE…and whatever they had in innoventions.
Avatar is the significant add. Primeval whirl is a fairly significant loss
We’re not gonna play this game, are we?
Midwest Elitist
Well-Known Member
I acknowledged that I forgot some stuff and didn't account for removals.
I agree, there's barely any capacity added.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Right…
I don’t think anyone can disagree that at the end of Iger he let the crowds become uncomfortable. Many would argue intentionally to drive upsells.
And that may be the case and “wise” in the moment for business. But they’ll never own it.
It is not a more enjoyable park day. That’s hard to challenge. Slot scheduled that you can’t ignore now.
MerlinTheGoat
Well-Known Member
Mermaid was a delayed replacement for 20k, 7DMT was a replacement for the old Snow White ride.
Everest was an addition, but it was also a project that began construction two years before Iger became CEO. It was an Eisner project. And incidentally under Iger's tenure, the centerpiece element of the ride has been broken for 95% of its existence. Avatar Land (the land itself and its two attractions) is the one thing that most people would probably agree is a net addition under Iger's reign that arguably doesn't really come at the expense of other experiences.
Soarin was also an Eisner project that opened in Epcot only a couple of months after Iger became CEO. It also technically wasn't a net addition attraction as it replaced Kitchet Cabaret. Likewise, the new version of Soarin simply replaced the previous one's video (though you could argue the extra theater at least expanded capacity). Rat is sort of a net addition to the park. Though Epcot today still has fewer attractions overall than its peak in the late 80s thanks to the destruction of both Communicore and Wonders of Life. Not to mention the shuttering of the second floor at Imagination.
Mickey replaced GMR, and you can consider Rise of the Resistance as a replacement for the Backlot Tour. That leaves Smuggler and the Toy Story content as the net additions to the park.
Everest was an addition, but it was also a project that began construction two years before Iger became CEO. It was an Eisner project. And incidentally under Iger's tenure, the centerpiece element of the ride has been broken for 95% of its existence. Avatar Land (the land itself and its two attractions) is the one thing that most people would probably agree is a net addition under Iger's reign that arguably doesn't really come at the expense of other experiences.
Soarin was also an Eisner project that opened in Epcot only a couple of months after Iger became CEO. It also technically wasn't a net addition attraction as it replaced Kitchet Cabaret. Likewise, the new version of Soarin simply replaced the previous one's video (though you could argue the extra theater at least expanded capacity). Rat is sort of a net addition to the park. Though Epcot today still has fewer attractions overall than its peak in the late 80s thanks to the destruction of both Communicore and Wonders of Life. Not to mention the shuttering of the second floor at Imagination.
Mickey replaced GMR, and you can consider Rise of the Resistance as a replacement for the Backlot Tour. That leaves Smuggler and the Toy Story content as the net additions to the park.
UNCgolf
Well-Known Member
I don't think TSL counts as a net addition -- wasn't it built partially where Lights, Motor, Action! was?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Mostly agree
Other losses: alien encounter/stitch
HISTA playground, LMA show, looks like voyage of the little mermaid is gonzo, and they have at times not bothered to have things in the Doug theater and the soundstage
Bob(s) don’t like parks. They like using them as an IP promotional tool and increasing all prices as they do it as many times as possible.
Previous leadership gladly took the profits from them…but saw a value in using parks to promote the IP and the IP in media to highlight the parks to audiences that aren’t really considered now. The middle class and loyalists is what I’m saying.
Bobs primary “contribution” in Orlando was pumping steroids into DVC.
The springs redo is nice…I’ll give some credit there.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
LMA was in Star Wars land…adjacent the long abandoned Eisner era hunchback show/theater
UNCgolf
Well-Known Member
I guess you could knock out Smuggler's Run then and say Galaxy's Edge didn't really result in any attraction gains.
Midwest Elitist
Well-Known Member
I remember the tour was so well paced. They had some explosion demonstrations in the queue and right as it ended you were on the tram.
HS has lost a lot of charm and unfortunately, that's how the rest of the resort is going
ElvisMickey
Well-Known Member
I’m sure this will trigger some folks but now is a perfect time to beat that dead horse…“What would Walt do?”
GimpYancIent
Well-Known Member
The dragged out B.I. departure is last week's news and the B.C. reactions to it are yesterday's news the current developing news is when will B.C.'s departure occur?
rreading
Well-Known Member
For better or worse, Iger built Shanghai, and my impression is that the situation in Paris is significantly better than a decade ago.
Also under Iger, the WDW experience flourished. As you reported in an earlier post, WDW has become more and more crowded - not because it was cheaper but it was well done. We (as a family) really enjoyed our WDW time under the Iger regime. DVC has sold well as a result of that guest satisfaction.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Much of the current investment was panicked response to problems with guest satisfaction…
rreading
Well-Known Member
I definitely agree- but the devil is in the details. Monetizing priority access has been done across the industry. At Busch Gardens it was over $100pp a few years ago. We got Universal’s Express Pass by renting an overpriced room. At our local Six Flags, Flash Pass is over $100/day.
FP+ was created/rolled out under Iger and it was not necessarily perfect but quite well done. I thought it was great (though I never tried to get more than 3FP/d).
This one (more than anything) has a pitiful price point. It’s too cheap to be restrictive and since everyone buys it, it’s useless. This kind of decision didn’t need time to decide- it was a basic judgment call. And- as such- I blame Chapek though there should be those under him who should have known this was going to be a disaster.
MerlinTheGoat
Well-Known Member
I was a frequent visitor of WDW from 1991-1997. And after a very lengthy hiatus, returned in the 2010s. Overall, WDW is a VASTLY worse experience now than it was back then.
High sales and a packed customer base does not guarantee that you're looking at a quality product.
High sales and a packed customer base does not guarantee that you're looking at a quality product.
rreading
Well-Known Member
I wonder what they’re going to do now. The public perception of current Disney is abysmal
pdude81
Well-Known Member
Not to discount your theory, but please consider that the world at large feels a lot worse than it did in the mid 90s also
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Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Eh. We block out the bad stuff. The LA riots were still fresh in everyone’s minds then. Gang violence was horrendous. Outside of the US..Genocide in Rwanda. Somalia. Moved onto to Kosovo by 1998. I could go on with other stuff.
Imagine if we had social media then.