Rumor Hollywood insiders say there's growing tension at Disney as CEO Bob Chapek chafes at Bob Iger's 'long goodbye'

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
You might want to read the original contract. At the time of the original contract, Doctor Strange was not an Avenger, nor belonged to any of the other 'families' that Uni utilized (Spider-Man, Avengers, Fantastic 4). The contract had a use-it-or-lose-it clause which said Uni had to use the Marvel characters (and their 'family') they wanted, or else, after a set time, they couldn't grab any more. And they didn't grab any more.

That is why DHS already had a Doctor Strange streetmosphere show. That Doctor Strange appeared in MCU movies doesn't mean anything for an expired clause of the original contract (not to mention that 'crossing over' into an Avengers or Spider-Man movie does not make him an Avenger nor part of the Spider-Family).

Now, there has been an updated contract that hasn't leaked. So, Black Boxes are black. But there is no Universal exclusion to a Doctor Strange Tower of Terror in DHS.
Do you honestly think they’re gonna go around the “edges” of marvel to slam them in Orlando?

“Come see the B lineup”. I’d argue…and it’s no argument really…that the best 3-5 theme park tie ins for longterm appeal are on an island of adventure.

That “moon knight” stage show is gonna look tacky.

One marvel thing shoved in a corner of each park is what is “world class”, Bobs?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Its not a justification but when the Board sets up the executive compensation plan including bonus targets and whoever the CEO achieves them then it is what it is.
They also don’t tolerate $65 a share dips…and that’s where they’re at. It’s sliding again…

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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
My guess is that the answer is somewhere in the middle. Personally, I don't think Iger will come back to lead the company. I am also skeptical as to whether or not Chapek is really finished like some people seem to think he is. At the end of the day, the people who really decide these things are shareholders, and the overwhelming majority of Disney's shares are held by institutional investors.

I think the only thing that could force Chapek out is either a massive, humiliating Save Disney campaign, a depleted stock price, or something more serious than badly controlled PR disasters. I am not a Chapek fan, but that is how I see it. I hope he leaves, along with most of the company's executive management. I wish Disney would bring in new leadership with a love for the brand and the vision to bring it into the future. Streaming is just one component of that.

Ideally, my choice would be for Disney to be run by a creative person and a financial person like they were during the Walt and Roy days or Michael Eisner and Frank Wells. Perhaps Peter Rice could be a possibility? He certainly has solid relationships with the Hollywood community.
They don’t need anyone named “Bob” In charge…any twit can stand in front of a webcam and makes the same predictions over and over again…

I take that back…I’d take this Bob:

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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Got news for you...FOX, MSNBC, and CNN are equally horrible. No one should rely on them as their news source.

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Nobody will ever believe you…but it’s common sense.

And why? Because the station they’re watching tells them not to believe you (when they’re not showing diabeetus testing supply or doomsday prep supply commercials)
 
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Poseidon Quest

Well-Known Member
Remember when everyone assumed two expensive, identical Star Wars lands was gonna be “great”? Because you wouldn’t be able fo keep anyone away from it? Well even the concept drawings didn’t look quite right…it was vague/ambiguous and not in a good way. So they end up - frankly - being “not awesome” and you have two monuments to bad ideas sitting there. Toy story land becomes almost the same. Not “awful”…but perhaps not “adequate” either

A term I prefer to use when speaking about new Disney lands and attractions, is "aggressively mediocre". They're not bad and I wouldn't fault you for enjoying them, but let's not pretend that they meet the Disney standard of old. Even Eisner's cheap additions had a lot more heart and creativity put into them than something so disgustingly overpriced like Toy Story Land or Pixar Pier.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Thinking Disney needs Sonic is delusional. If any move would signal, "We're now second-fiddle creatively and playing catch-up to the place down the street that we don't acknowledge", it would be using Sonic. Maybe they should look at doing something right before screwing up yet another property in the parks.

"This just in! Disney CEO Bob Chapek is talking to Sega about a licensing deal for Sonic the Hedgehog."

BTW: ToT is probably the one hill I'll die on. Don't touch it. It's perfect.
 

Mmoore29

Well-Known Member
I think That’s a totally different scenario…if you Study the ovitz story…

And who the hell is Kareem Daniel? I’ve never heard of him…and I’m a “student”…which means he’s likely just a suit in his job…whatever that may be?
Well, Daniel may very well be good in the company, and probably won't be made to leave it. But will he still have the exact same position if Chapek is gone by February? Will the decision to have him basically be the superior of all the different studio divisions and making choices for their content and where it goes, to be in charge of the P&Ls, will that decision be undone if Chapek is gone?

(P.S. David Geffen is the true Antichrist of Hollywood, not Ovitz.)
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Do you honestly think they’re gonna go around the “edges” of marvel to slam them in Orlando?

“Come see the B lineup”. I’d argue…and it’s no argument really…that the best 3-5 theme park tie ins for longterm appeal are on an island of adventure.

That “moon knight” stage show is gonna look tacky.

One marvel thing shoved in a corner of each park is what is “world class”, Bobs?
I kind of expected that your reply would be winky nonsense and not an 'O I was wrong.'
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
I think That’s a totally different scenario…if you Study the ovitz story…

And who the hell is Kareem Daniel? I’ve never heard of him…and I’m a “student”…which means he’s likely just a suit in his job…whatever that may be?
Part of Chapek's re-org, streamline, etc , so enter Kareem Daniel to lead media and entertainment for Disney.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
Or people seem to forget that the biggest game in the world would be perfect for a ride. MINECRAFT!


This is a funny, and sort of strange comparison to make. Part of what made Minecraft such a hit, was the sense of exploration and adventure, which for a long time, was something that Disney parks also tried to replicate. Walt Disney's personal minecraft would have been exploring the marshes and streams around Missouri, something he would later try to replicate with Tom Sawyer Island. So there are definitely some parallels.

On the other hand, there is still this fundamental shift in thinking that kids would rather seek out those interactive games and even watch videos about those games, than play outside themselves. The biggest threat to the existence of a theme park, is home entertainment, and video games are right there on that front.

I don't think Iger would've made Turning Red be streaming-only, for example, and that he would've stayed committed to more theatrical exclusivity, even for Mulan, and insisted on delaying it more and more until it could possibly turn a profit in the box office. Iger wouldn't have done the centralizing under Kareem Daniel, either.

A couple hit pieces ago, it was revealed that Iger was really the perpetrator of some of Chapek's later reorganization moves:

Conceptually, Chapek’s idea actually isn’t all that different from what Iger had begun to put in place with the organization of Disney+.
If Disney wanted investors to see its burgeoning streaming service as the growth engine in a digital-first world, Iger realized he needed to centralize power around Disney+.
While Chapek didn’t consult Iger about his October 2020 reorganization, he did cite many of the same principles that Kyncl and Iger discussed in 2018.

Iger did try to consolidate power under Kevin Mayer and that just didn't seem to work out for him.


Maybe Iger really did think Chapek was it, rather than just purposefully setting him up.


Tin foil territory here, but I don't think Iger was ready to give it up, whether he really thought Chapek was ready or not. Whether he really thought he was ready or not.

There was a lot of early speculation and worries over the management/power shuffles in support of Disney+. That those battles were going to be ugly and brutal and Iger just didn't want to tarnish his legacy over them or just didn't have the stomach for them in his old age.

The precipice though was knowing that things had to change for Disney+, and realizing that and the succession troubles Disney has always had, the board finally pushed to get him to step down. They gave him what he had asked for before (an internal candidate coming from parks), allowed him to stay on as a "creative executive" for awhile longer, and got him to finally agree to step down.

Certainly seems to fit the idea that Iger is the one feeding the rumor mills here with news of 'secret' parties and phone calls. That Iger is the one promoting this whole 'Iger isn't even returning his calls' narrative that seems like it shouldn't even be all that important if the guy is retired anyway. Would I expect Bob Iger to still be running Disney via proxy rather than just spending his days golfing or on a yacht somewhere? The whole thing seems strange.


If Chapek does end up out by February without a contract extension, would Kareem Daniel be forced out, too?

February is a long time off.... but generally it's unlikely they will give up on Chapek (or Kareem Daniel).

If what I said above is true, then it makes sense that the board is backing Chapek here. If it was the board's decision to hire Chapek and make those uncomfortable changes, they will stand by him and by extension those changes he made.

And the key to this is, the success of Disney+. As long as Disney+ is working, and the new organizational structure is working, Chapek can stick around. Of course assuming there aren't continuing PR disasters.


Without wizarding…they don’t bring in Cameron…


I know it seems weird maybe to some, but what if Avatar really is the next big thing? Disney already has the IP and already a presence in the parks.


The "stone ages" worked a lot better than the fancy computer system IMO, and you see that in other places in park experiences these days. Of course, I came out of the "stone age" and into the modern world, whereas it sounds like you went back in time, so the difference makes sense.

It really depends on a variety of factors, including scale. At Cedar Fair, their parks are fairly small, so it's easier to do things on paper. At Disney? Not so much. It might seem like an unnecessary hassle, but Disney's labor team has been hit with so many class action lawsuits over missed breaks and lunches, and all the complaints of favoritism and improper scheduling practices ... CDS isn't perfect and for sure some of these can still be issues, but it's better than nothing.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
@el_super

I think there’s zero “tin foil” to the assessment that Iger didn’t want to leave. It was a textbook narcissism/ego trip.

Flirt with “retirement” and then let your press beg you to stay. Come on.

Also…he bailed (really no question) when he thought the lockdown on deck (2 weeks later) would tank the economy and Disney’s shares along with it.

Then In a bizarre move…the US government basically took over the economy by capital injection and wouldn’t allow even a recession.

I think Bob has spent 2 years stewing he missed the label of “savior” by quitting. It goes straight to his pattern and also the source of the “rift” with chapek.

No need for tin foil in any of this.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Disney: “we’ll cack things up almost daily and the people we charge will go on the internet and defend us!!”

Are we done yet?
That has nothing to do with your claim that WDW can't use Doctor Strange.

You're clearly not thinking clearly today.

Anyway, I'm done trying to convince you that you were wrong. Everyone reading along knows that your claim is false. That's good enough for me, so, yes, we're done. Have a good day.
 

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