News Holiday crowds at Walt Disney World theme parks 2022

[Disstevefan1]

From what I recall its like one standby guest for every 10 LL guests. So if you have a group of five standbys thats 50 lightning lane if there are that many in queue. For a ride like Peter Pan that will generate the long standby times.

Wow, that’s worse than I thought, I thought it was 2 for every 10.

That does bring up the question, do they break up family groups in the standby line now?

I am guessing it’s 10 “family groups” to one “family group” in the standby.

You can see how slanted that can become.

 

[peter11435]

Wow, that’s worse than I thought, I thought it was 2 for every 10.

That does bring up the question, do they break up family groups in the standby line now?

I am guessing it’s 10 “family groups” to one “family group” in the standby.

You can see how slanted that can become.

They use different ratios depending on the current length of the LL. The standard ratio is close to what you thought.

They do not split up parties

 

[the_rich]

Lines are always going to be crazy during the holidays. This isn't because of LL. Of course more rides and capacity would help disperse some of it. But it will always be like this unless they cap attendance. I remember going to Orlando in 94 during the world cup. I distinctly remember being in universal and waiting almost 3 hours to ride back to the future. This isn't some new phenomenon.

 

[Trauma]

Lines are always going to be crazy during the holidays. This isn't because of LL. Of course more rides and capacity would help disperse some of it. But it will always be like this unless they cap attendance. I remember going to Orlando in 94 during the world cup. I distinctly remember being in universal and waiting almost 3 hours to ride back to the future. This isn't some new phenomenon.

But did you wait that long in a paid “express” line?

 

[the_rich]

But did you wait that long in a paid “express” line?

No. They may be selling to many genie+. But even without it lines would be like this. I understand what you are saying though. People are paying for the privilege of then waiting in a long line.

 

[Trauma]

They have to know at what capacity the parks operate smoothly with very limited waits.

They could cap attendance at those levels. Require staying at a Disney resort for entry assuring full resorts. Then raise the price and sell it as a package.

For example to stay at the boardwalk in a standard room it would be $1800 a night for a family of 3. Then add another $400 per night for each additional guest.

I know something like this can never work for many reasons like DVC etc.

Also if we have a deep recession they may not need to worry about crowding.

However if crowd levels just continue to grow every year they are going to have to do something drastic.

 

[the_rich]

They have to know at what capacity the parks operate smoothly with very limited waits.

They could cap attendance at those levels. Require staying at a Disney resort for entry assuring full resorts. Then raise the price and sell it as a package.

For example to stay at the boardwalk in a standard room it would be $1800 a night for a family of 3. Then add another $400 per night for each additional guest.

I know something like this can never work for many reasons like DVC etc.

Also if we have a deep recession they may not need to worry about crowding.

However if crowd levels just continue to grow every year they are going to have to do something drastic.

I mean they really only have 2 viable options. One is cap attendance and the other is raise prices to the point that attendance naturally falls. Of the 2 I would prefer they cap attendance. And yes I want them to continue to build new rides and increase capacity.

 

[Trauma]

I mean they really only have 2 viable options. One is cap attendance and the other is raise prices to the point that attendance naturally falls. Of the 2 I would prefer they cap attendance. And yes I want them to continue to build new rides and increase capacity.

So how much would people pay if they knew that their longest wait for something would 30 minutes?

How do you make that work with DVC?

I don’t know the answers but clearly the people in charge don’t either.

 

[larryz]

...to many genie+.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In my opinion I think the 3 hour waits are mostly caused by the Genie + system and the ratio of Lightning lane VS. standby folks getting on an attraction.

Priority is heavily weighted to LL folks while only a few at a time are let on from standby.

Now that folks are paying for LL Disney really has no choice but to do this.

When FastPasses were free, it didn’t matter as much.

I think, since it was free, there was not so much pressure for the cast members get all the fast pass folks through the line and the ratio wasn’t so slanted.

I remember the good old days of paper Fastpass when I we would go to the end of the standby of an attraction and give folks our FastPasses.

It was a free way to spend some surprise Magic to a random guests at no cost to you.

In my opinion…you’re wrong

They had an estimated 44,000,000 gate ticks in 2000…the last effective year of Eisner expansion

They have 55-60,000,000 now with almost the same seats for butts…because savior Bob never really added…just replaced with limited exceptions.

It’s just numbers…don’t blame the app

Plus doesn’t work…genie doesn’t really either. They’ve been trying to invent the square wheel in Orlando for 20 years

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I mean they really only have 2 viable options. One is cap attendance and the other is raise prices to the point that attendance naturally falls. Of the 2 I would prefer they cap attendance. And yes I want them to continue to build new rides and increase capacity.

Feel like I’ve been hearing the same “Disney’s hands are tied” excuses for poor Bob for at least 10 years

…and I’m really starting to hate being right about these things too…by the way

 

[the_rich]

In my opinion…you’re wrong

They had an estimated 44,000,000 gate ticks in 2000…the last effective year of Iger expansion

They have 55-60,000,000 now with almost the same seats for butts…because savior Bob never really added…just replaced with limited exceptions.

It’s just numbers…don’t blame the app

Plus doesn’t work…genie doesn’t really either. They’ve been trying to invent the square wheel in Orlando for 20 years

That's an average of about 10,000 more people per park per day. Now of course it isn't going to be evenly distributed. But I don't know if any level of expansion is going to handle that. Unless they build multiple e tickets across all 4 parks simultaneously to spread it out. But theoretically that would lead to an even bigger increase in attendance. Now I want them to expand and build more, but they really need to cap attendance.

 

[the_rich]

Feel like I’ve been hearing the same “Disney’s hands are tied” excuses for poor Bob for at least 10 years

…and I’m really starting to hate being right about these things too…by the way

His hands aren't tied. There are options and building more capacity should be a part of any option.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

His hands aren't tied. There are options and building more capacity should be a part of any option.

…I’m just shell shocked from the excuses peddled for the guy for so long…so that’s my Ptsd

Amusement locations should NEVER stop reinvesting…for one minute. It leads to disaster 100% of the time

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What a lousy justification.

The system is inherently flawed; just because you cite it along the lines of “industry standard” doesn’t make it right.

…you’ll get used to it.

The comparisons for 1 week, $10,000 locations to one day, $80 destinations are quite amusing

 

[networkpro]

I mean they really only have 2 viable options. One is cap attendance and the other is raise prices to the point that attendance naturally falls. Of the 2 I would prefer they cap attendance. And yes I want them to continue to build new rides and increase capacity.

Dont forget the natural curbs that occur when the economy dips. 2023 isnt going to be a cakewalk.

 

[Jrb1979]

…you’ll get used to it.

The comparisons for 1 week, $10,000 locations to one day, $80 destinations are quite amusing

Universal is a multi day visit and priced similar to the Mouse and they use similar system to regional parks. Yeah Disney is different.

 

[the_rich]

Dont forget the natural curbs that occur when the economy dips. 2023 isnt going to be a cakewalk.

Well that is something out of their direct control.

 

[networkpro]

Well that is something out of their direct control.

It is, but the historic trend is of "boom and bust" so while you wince at the prices as the amusement industry makes a money grab, they are also cognisant of how quickly the economy that supports that price point has typically receded.

 

[monothingie]

Just putting this here if you have about 2 hours on your hand.

Probably the best analysis and history of Disney queuing.