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HKDL gets new castle, frozen land and marvel land.
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Supersnow84
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I’d say it’s in strong contention for nicest land Disney has made since the OG 4 castle parks
ParkPeeker
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Grabbed some screenshots and spliced them together for a panorama, really lovely
I gotta say, the backdrop really adds to the land, did an edit to see how the land might look without it
I gotta say, the backdrop really adds to the land, did an edit to see how the land might look without it
Supersnow84
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every time I see a panorama of the land it always makes it look enormous then I look at an “expansion pad top down map” and it looks absolutely tiny
I don’t know if it’s forced perspective or just the land isn’t actually the size the diagrams show it to be
I don’t know if it’s forced perspective or just the land isn’t actually the size the diagrams show it to be
montydysquith-navarro
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- In the Parks
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Supersnow84
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Does anyone feel like that’s pretty far out considering they are already doing in person tests on WOSS
Unless they are struggling with HK’s unique version of FEA
Unless they are struggling with HK’s unique version of FEA
It’s certainly slipped.
Supersnow84
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Sorry can you explain what you mean by this
The schedule has slipped - 8 months ago it should have opened by August at the latest.
Supersnow84
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Why has it slipped again?
I know Covid happened but the land is already 3 years behind schedule and we have to wait till next week to find out what they are doing with the remaining 5 billion dollars for a 7 year old expansion
The guest numbers for this financial year look promising (3.4 million from 6 months total of being open almost exclusively HK citizens) but the land missing the high season again doesn’t seem to bode well for the expansion plans
I would suggest it might be in prep for using that 5 billion to springboard into a larger announcement of a redesigned second stage of this expansion if I didn’t know that HK doesn’t work like that with its funding connection to the government
Pass. I just know what the schedule was last autumn.
Supersnow84
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Oh sorry I more meant that as a general “old man screams at cloud” question
I know you are limited in what you know and what you can say
Supersnow84
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Btw this is the current financial report with the park operational a total of 6/12 months
-3.4 million guests
-net loss of 2.1 billion HKD (operating loss of 861 million HKD)
-local visitors and annual passes up 22% (best year on year improvement in the parks history)
-per capital spending in the park up 11%
-resorts at 24% occupancy (HK hotels at 78%)
All seems to point to the same thing, the park is experiencing soaring approval from local residents but is still recovering on the international and mainland guest front
montydysquith-navarro
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- In the Parks
- No
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Supersnow84
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Interesting choice
As per the financials the resort could run with the explorers lodge only right now
Supersnow84
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This land looks stunning but going back through old comments I was drawn to one that rang pretty true for me
Both attractions in this land would have to be stretched to be called e tickets, FEA may get it if the extra space makes the ride significantly better than EPCOT even if they decided to not use the Shanghai pirates tech. This seems to follow a trend of Hong Kong having a stellar line up of supporting attractions but almost no headlines (it has about 20 attractions including arendelle and only really has 3 e tickets, one of which is directly lifted and done better at every other park it exists in), of course this was supposed to be balanced by quinjet but we still have no idea what’s going on with quinjet
Ironically Shanghai’s design decisions have both helped and hurt HK here, I’ll be the first to say I hate Shanghai, it only gets 11th for me because WDS is just that bad, but I can’t deny Shanghai’s attraction lineup is probably the most tilted towards e tickets of all 12 parks (except maybe DHS and AK if you exclude all of AK’s non ride attractions), that alongside their “swing for the fences park design” (which again I’ll say I kinda hate) makes it the magic kingdom most different from Hong Kong, this gives Hong Kong room to breathe in terms of lacking e tickets (because if Shanghai had Hong Kong’s depth of c tickets plus it’s full headliner set it would just be unequivocally the better park outside of intangibles like charm) but Shanghai is obviously the busier park, there is a million and one reasons for this but Shanghai definitely gets international style points for having many reasons for Americans and Europeans to make the trip that Hong Kong lacks, ignoring Tokyo which beats both if you had to recommend to a seasoned American park goer one Chinese park you’d probably recommend Shanghai simply because you’d get such a different experience, sure from an operations front and an ease of experience front you’d probably “enjoy” Hong Kong more, but it’s hard to sell an international trip to see mystic manor when Shanghai is just that far out of left field
So circling back to my original point, while the land is stunning and the footprint increase is great im just not sure this will really move the needle on brining international guests back and encouraging mainland guests away from Shanghai, the parks headliner is still mystic manor, which while still disneys best dark ride that nothing has come remotely close to in pure imagineering tricks it is like trying to shoulder the entirety of DLP on the back of phantom manor, again this would seem to have been balanced by quinjet but quinjet is MIA and the park needs headliners ASAP, so while I like the idea I also don’t think more dark rides in fantasyland are the answer either, the park needs to swing for the fences with one huge “f ticket” and since quinjet can’t seem to get off the ground with 3 different parks dealing with it im not sure it’s that
As an aside Shanghai has the opposite problem, it is in desperate need of c tickets and the plans for a second gate should be shelved until they take advantage of all the land in the existing park I’ve heard that Shanghai residents like the open land in the north centre of the park but the massive distances in the park ruin the sightlines and for a land like fantasyland that borrows heavily from being nestled in the crook of its castle the massive size makes the land unwieldy, ugly and messy, Tokyo seems to strike the right balance between Hong Kong and Shanghai on this front
Both attractions in this land would have to be stretched to be called e tickets, FEA may get it if the extra space makes the ride significantly better than EPCOT even if they decided to not use the Shanghai pirates tech. This seems to follow a trend of Hong Kong having a stellar line up of supporting attractions but almost no headlines (it has about 20 attractions including arendelle and only really has 3 e tickets, one of which is directly lifted and done better at every other park it exists in), of course this was supposed to be balanced by quinjet but we still have no idea what’s going on with quinjet
Ironically Shanghai’s design decisions have both helped and hurt HK here, I’ll be the first to say I hate Shanghai, it only gets 11th for me because WDS is just that bad, but I can’t deny Shanghai’s attraction lineup is probably the most tilted towards e tickets of all 12 parks (except maybe DHS and AK if you exclude all of AK’s non ride attractions), that alongside their “swing for the fences park design” (which again I’ll say I kinda hate) makes it the magic kingdom most different from Hong Kong, this gives Hong Kong room to breathe in terms of lacking e tickets (because if Shanghai had Hong Kong’s depth of c tickets plus it’s full headliner set it would just be unequivocally the better park outside of intangibles like charm) but Shanghai is obviously the busier park, there is a million and one reasons for this but Shanghai definitely gets international style points for having many reasons for Americans and Europeans to make the trip that Hong Kong lacks, ignoring Tokyo which beats both if you had to recommend to a seasoned American park goer one Chinese park you’d probably recommend Shanghai simply because you’d get such a different experience, sure from an operations front and an ease of experience front you’d probably “enjoy” Hong Kong more, but it’s hard to sell an international trip to see mystic manor when Shanghai is just that far out of left field
So circling back to my original point, while the land is stunning and the footprint increase is great im just not sure this will really move the needle on brining international guests back and encouraging mainland guests away from Shanghai, the parks headliner is still mystic manor, which while still disneys best dark ride that nothing has come remotely close to in pure imagineering tricks it is like trying to shoulder the entirety of DLP on the back of phantom manor, again this would seem to have been balanced by quinjet but quinjet is MIA and the park needs headliners ASAP, so while I like the idea I also don’t think more dark rides in fantasyland are the answer either, the park needs to swing for the fences with one huge “f ticket” and since quinjet can’t seem to get off the ground with 3 different parks dealing with it im not sure it’s that
As an aside Shanghai has the opposite problem, it is in desperate need of c tickets and the plans for a second gate should be shelved until they take advantage of all the land in the existing park I’ve heard that Shanghai residents like the open land in the north centre of the park but the massive distances in the park ruin the sightlines and for a land like fantasyland that borrows heavily from being nestled in the crook of its castle the massive size makes the land unwieldy, ugly and messy, Tokyo seems to strike the right balance between Hong Kong and Shanghai on this front
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