Rumor Higher Speed Rail from MCO to Disney World

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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JMcMahonEsq said:
Having just got back from speaking down in Hollywood Florida, I will say the current in place high speed connections from Orlando to Ft Lauderdale and Miami are extremely useful. Not having researched it prior, and having a couple other commitments along the NEC, I drove down from NJ stopping in Disney for a couple of days, and then drove down to Hollywood for the lectures. Even without the direct connect to Disney Springs, having that train route provides for some interesting options for split trips between the Parks, and the beaches down further south in Florida.

Off topic, but for anyone looking for a change of pace, I could not recommend enough the Diplomat Resort. Great property, amazing amenities and staff. Worth checking out.
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Was at the diplomat in 10/21

I liked it alot
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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Disstevefan1 said:
My biggest question was as you mention, taking the connector to DS then bus.

Would folks be lugging their bags off Brightline, on to connector, then off connector on to bus?

If Disney actually cared, they would bring back the free Magical express from the airport.
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Other than just bashing, I honestly don't get the idea of people who think the world ended when DME left.

We loved it too, don't get me wrong, but other than some cruise ships, any other location you go on vacation to, with kids or without, you have to deal with your luggage. No one is handling your bags for you if you are bringing the family to NYC, or to DC, or to Bush Gardens, Was down in Hollywood Florida last week, Hilton cared about our business and wanted people on their property....you still had to get yourself and luggage there
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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JMcMahonEsq said:
Other than just bashing, I honestly don't get the idea of people who think the world ended when DME left.

We loved it too, don't get me wrong, but other than some cruise ships, any other location you go on vacation to, with kids or without, you have to deal with your luggage. No one is handling your bags for you if you are bringing the family to NYC, or to DC, or to Bush Gardens, Was down in Hollywood Florida last week, Hilton cared about our business and wanted people on their property....you still had to get yourself and luggage there
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Disney agrees with you apparently and that is why they took away Magical Express.

We must presume Disney knows whats best for their business even though it doesn't look that way from less educated folks like myself.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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JMcMahonEsq said:
Other than just bashing, I honestly don't get the idea of people who think the world ended when DME left.

We loved it too, don't get me wrong, but other than some cruise ships, any other location you go on vacation to, with kids or without, you have to deal with your luggage. No one is handling your bags for you if you are bringing the family to NYC, or to DC, or to Bush Gardens, Was down in Hollywood Florida last week, Hilton cared about our business and wanted people on their property....you still had to get yourself and luggage there
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It’s not that the world ended…it’s symbolic of a bad management shift that’s collapsing as we speak…

…you just have to watch it unfold.

Attendance dropping due to diminished value…revenue will too

Bob will be gone
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
It’s not that the world ended…it’s symbolic of a bad management shift that’s collapsing as we speak…

…you just have to watch it unfold.

Attendance dropping due to diminished value…revenue will too

Bob will be gone
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First, there is no link between one and the other, and that's assuming that drops in attendance with no corresponding drop in revenue is any concern at all.

But secondly, other than some anecdotal people complaining on a message board, where is the evidence that dropping of the DME is bad management. I don't see any evidence that the model of self contained, free Transporation and baggage handling is at all good management. Leaving aside whether it was profitable, and how much it was used, data points that the people who canned the program have that we don't, if it was such a great model, why was it never implemented or copied by any other company/tourist destination? If only one company throughout an entire industry is utilizing a particular service, what is more likely, that the entire rest of the industry is giving up profit and value add by simply not copying what another company has already implemented, or that the service itself is not sustainable and/or doesn't add enough value to make it worth the cost?
 
Andrew25

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I don't think DME was much of a selling point for most. I sincerely doubt most of us here would go offsite solely based on the removal of DME when the main reasons why you book a WDW resort are early park access and free transportation within the resort. All other factors like reduced housekeeping and parking fees made more of an impact than DME did.

Don't get me wrong, DME was a nice thing to have... but it wasn't an amenity that caused you to book a WDW resort specifically.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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JMcMahonEsq said:
First, there is no link between one and the other, and that's assuming that drops in attendance with no corresponding drop in revenue is any concern at all.

But secondly, other than some anecdotal people complaining on a message board, where is the evidence that dropping of the DME is bad management. I don't see any evidence that the model of self contained, free Transporation and baggage handling is at all good management. Leaving aside whether it was profitable, and how much it was used, data points that the people who canned the program have that we don't, if it was such a great model, why was it never implemented or copied by any other company/tourist destination? If only one company throughout an entire industry is utilizing a particular service, what is more likely, that the entire rest of the industry is giving up profit and value add by simply not copying what another company has already implemented, or that the service itself is not sustainable and/or doesn't add enough value to make it worth the cost?
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First: it’s an opinion forum

Second: I was making a link as to why ME is such a “figure head”…it’s symbolic of how people pay more now and have stuff taken away…there are many others

Third: are you sure you’re in the right place? Because discussion is what we try to do here
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Andrew25 said:
I don't think DME was much of a selling point for most. I sincerely doubt most of us here would go offsite solely based on the removal of DME when the main reasons why you book a WDW resort are early park access and free transportation within the resort. All other factors like reduced housekeeping and parking fees made more of an impact than DME did.

Don't get me wrong, DME was a nice thing to have... but it wasn't an amenity that caused you to book a WDW resort specifically.
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It wasn’t meant to sell them…
It was meant to keep you and all your money there
 
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Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
First: it’s an opinion forum

Second: I was making a link as to why ME is such a “figure head”…it’s symbolic of how people pay more now and have stuff taken away…there are many others

Third: are you sure you’re in the right place? Because discussion is what we try to do here
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T R O P H Y :D
 
Disone

Disone

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JMcMahonEsq said:
First, there is no link between one and the other, and that's assuming that drops in attendance with no corresponding drop in revenue is any concern at all.

But secondly, other than some anecdotal people complaining on a message board, where is the evidence that dropping of the DME is bad management. I don't see any evidence that the model of self contained, free Transporation and baggage handling is at all good management. Leaving aside whether it was profitable, and how much it was used, data points that the people who canned the program have that we don't, if it was such a great model, why was it never implemented or copied by any other company/tourist destination?
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But it was copied and is in fact still in use.

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Disone

Disone

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JoeCamel said:
They don't transfer the baggage? That was the hook for ME

Monorails sez different
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YOU:). Yes.

Having said that the luggage transfer often worked in conjunction with Disney's magical express. However that service was a separate service from magical express and was cut before magical express was.

The statement was made that no other tourist destination has ever copied Disney's magical express and that is not the case.
 
Phicinfan

Phicinfan

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
I’ll believe a useful rail system in the US the minute i see one built
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Like it or not, rail is gaining.... steam(get it...did ya?? :D ) Ohio has plans in place to add two more Amtrak higher speed rail lines between Cleveland and Cincinnati and across east to west as well. Trying to remove more traffic from airports.

There is a line now from Cincinnati to Chicago which I like to take from time to time to avoid airports
 
Phicinfan

Phicinfan

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Disone said:
YOU:). Yes.

Having said that the luggage transfer often worked in conjunction with Disney's magical express. However that service was a separate service from magical express and was cut before magical express was.
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Was it? Or was it AFTER they already announced DME was going away. I thought it was the latter.
 

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