Have the Trams gone to Yesterland?

[celluloid]

Sung to Peter Paul and Mary where have all the Flowers Gone
Where have all the trams gone, long time passing?
Where have all the trams gone, long time ago?
Where have all the trams gone?
Disney destroyed them everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

Where have all the trams gone, long time passing?
Where have all the trams gone, long time ago?
Where have all the trams gone?
Gone for scrap everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

Where have all the trams gone, long time passing?
Where have all the trams gone, long time ago?
Where have all the trams gone?
Gone for junk everyone
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

Where have all the trams gone, long time passing?
Where have all the trams gone, long time ago?
Where have all the trams gone?
Gone to graveyards, everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

Where have all the people gone, long time passing?
Where have all the people gone, long time ago?
Where have all the people gone?
Gone to Universal , everyone.
Oh, when will Disney ever learn?
Oh, when will Disney ever learn?

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I love me some Magic Kingsdom Trio.

 

[Disney Irish]

Budgets are only plans.

when things go off the rails you don’t roll up and die because of a budget- you goto your finance people and make a case for needing to change the plan. They advise leadership on what compromises or consequences there will be… and leaders make choices.

budgets are just plans - they can be altered when circumstances require it.

Money don’t just come out of thin air.

At the corporate level it’s you have a budget, you want more you cut it out of something else in your already allocated budget.

 

[Sailor310]

Boy, it seems that in the olden days, some CM would have spoken up by now and given us an update

 

[TP2000]

Staffing issues. Engines that have not run for a year and a half aren't beyond repair by any slightly competent mechanic.

Exactly.

A rats nest in an engine? That's common in any barn find. It requires about an hour of work with a pinched nose and an air hose.

Seized pistons? That's also common in any barn find. It requires a day's work with a gallon of diesel fuel and a strong arm.

Rotted out gaskets? Very common in any old vehicle. It requires an Amazon Prime account and two day's work by a competent mechanic.

These are not the reason the Disneyland Parking Lot Trams are not running four months after the park reopened. The reason the trams are not running is because they don't have enough $15 an hour CM's and $25 an hour Dockers-clad managers to run them.

It's a staffing issue at its core. It's not a mechanical issue with alien technology no one can reverse engineer.

 

[mandelbrot]

Disney is currently testing how much they can milk their guests without losing them forever. The re-opening demand is gone. Attendance has been on the decline for months. The 3-day discounted tickets were intended to reduce that decline. Didn't work. The new Keyholder program is meant to return attendance to at or near capacity. It's early but indications are so far that the market for annual passholders has reduced drastically.

The perceived value of a visit to Disneyland Resort is diminished. Some attractions remain closed. Most entertainment remains unavailable. Most restaurants still have reduced menus and capacity. Reduced hours. No Monorail. No trams. No character interactions. The worst fireworks show DLR has ever produced. The new paid Genie+ and Lightning Lane only reduce perceived value even more. Many many people have visited since the parks reopened and for most them they got their Disneyland fix and are good.

Attendance is still low so a a visit to the parks can be really great as long as you can deal with all the things Disney has cut from the experience. Fantasmic! and World of Color and Paint the Night and Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage and the Monorail and the trams are expensive to operate but they all used to be part of the experience along with free FastPass. All those are gone. Not to mention all the wonderful food offerings which have disappeared.

Disney is banking on people still coming because of their memories of magical Disneyland visits. Ironically those past visits make current visits pale by comparison. Some do still come. Some people have bought into the Keyholder program. But there is a clear feeling in the air that people don't feel like they are getting their money's worth and they are not going to come as often as before.

 

[flynnibus]

Money don’t just come out of thin air.

At the corporate level it’s you have a budget, you want more you cut it out of something else in your already allocated budget.

Budgets are just plans so you end up at your desired intersection of spending verse revenue.

deltas will come from changes in plans, accepting less margin, or raising funds.

budgets are nothing more than planning tools - they are adjustable as conditions dictate. Their purpose is to set expectations. They are not made of stone. The key is that deltas are managed with the eye still on the macro targets so decisions don’t happen in isolation and stack up unexpectedly.

 

[el_super]

Disney is currently testing how much they can milk their guests without losing them forever.

What is up with the unbridled cynicism in the last week? You do realize that the opposite point of your post could also be true: that there are fewer people coming to the parks due to COVID and Back to School, so there's less reason to bring back the parking lot trams until the crowds return?

There certainly haven't been any capacity issues at Toy Story Lot.

 

[Parteecia]

Are they still running short buses for the disabled? If yes, how do you qualify, e.g. does it have to be cumbersome equipment or will proof of a placard work? If no, wow.

 

[el_super]

Are they still running short buses for the disabled?

No. The buses that used the same route as the tram cannot run while pedestrians are using the walkway.

 

[flynnibus]

What is up with the unbridled cynicism in the last week?

Oh I dunno.. repeating failures to meet your own standards without even an acknowledgement of it?

You do realize that the opposite point of your post could also be true: that there are fewer people coming to the parks due to COVID and Back to School, so there's less reason to bring back the parking lot trams until the crowds return?

Here's a thought - if there is enough demand there to open the park - they should run their basic services - including parking trams.

If there is so little demand - they don't want to run services - maybe parking should be free? Oh wait... why isn't that viable?

 

[el_super]

Hmm it's almost like you always have an excuse ready for why Disney won't put in a few hours of repairs to make the experience of their guests better. If only they had extra money laying around or an influx of money from annual pass sales.

If you have spent any time managing a company, even one about 1/10 of the size of Disney, you would know that things are usually not as easy as just throwing money at them. You are also unaware of the actual circumstances surrounding why the trams aren't running, so past the desire to have them back, your opinion on this is pretty worthless.

If there is so little demand - they don't want to run services - maybe parking should be free? Oh wait... why isn't that viable?

There's clearly still demand to park there. The demand to go to the park is still higher than to ride the parking lot tram.

At this point the only thing Disney can really be faulted for, is not communicating the service at Toy Story.

 

[flynnibus]

There's clearly still demand to park there. The demand to go to the park is still higher than to ride the parking lot tram.

Dude... how is your head even still connected after all that spinning?

Demand for parking = demand for access to the theme park.

The demand for who wants a tram or not does not depend on attendance levels. It only matters to the company trying to decide if the expense is worth it. And here they are clearly using the covid reset as an excuse to run less services.

The trams didn't run depending on daily attendance previously. And the park has been plenty busy at times since reopening. The 'no demand' excuse is bull#$% and only the spin-doctors believe it.

And you still didn't justify their prices... or are you gonna say parking trams and staff are never associated with parking fees and Disney only ran them as a charity all these years?

 

[el_super]

And you still didn't justify their prices... or are you gonna say parking trams and staff are never associated with parking fees and Disney only ran them as a charity all these years?

Nope. Just stating the obvious: Even with the parking fee and even with no trams, there is still demand to park there, so clearly Disney is in the right to remove the tram service because it's not consequential enough to the guest experience to cause any loss of revenue.

 

[flynnibus]

Nope. Just stating the obvious: Even with the parking fee and even with no trams, there is still demand to park there

Because there is so many other options for thousands of open parking spots around disneyland?

so clearly Disney is in the right to remove the tram service because it's not consequential enough to the guest experience to cause any loss of revenue.

Glad you're admitting it now - It's purely because they can get away with it without hurting revenue currently - not other magical 'no needed' or 'no demand' non-sense.

 

[el_super]

Because there is so many other options for thousands of open parking spots around disneyland?

There are other options.

Glad you're admitting it now - It's purely because they can get away with it without hurting revenue currently - not other magical 'no needed' or 'no demand' non-sense.

If that was true, then they would never come back.... right? Is that the conclusion we're supposed to leap to? Isn't that the whole point of this thread... to just solicit for outrage?

 

[wdrive]

Nope. Just stating the obvious: Even with the parking fee and even with no trams, there is still demand to park there, so clearly Disney is in the right to remove the tram service because it's not consequential enough to the guest experience to cause any loss of revenue.

Good god how standards have fallen

 

[flynnibus]

There are other options.

name the options that can handle m&f numbers … go

If that was true, then they would never come back.... right? Is that the conclusion we're supposed to leap to? Isn't that the whole point of this thread... to just solicit for outrage?

deflect…. Dance…. You are not even good at this.

 

[el_super]

name the options that can handle m&f numbers … go

Talk about dancing... What does capacity have to do with it?

You might have a point if Toy Story was reaching capacity every day, but it's not so you really don't.

 

[flynnibus]

Talk about dancing... What does capacity have to do with it?

You said there is demand to park there hence justifying the price... as if customers had a choice vs parking elsewhere Then you doubled down and said 'there are options'

So stand up and point out the options within walking distance of the park that can support the thousands of customer cars coming to Disneyland that people are overlooking and choosing Disney instead.... showing their 'demand'.

You are suggesting they OPT to park there - as if they had equivalent alternatives. So spit it out... what other parking alternatives are there that can handle the customer base we are talking about?

 

[TP2000]

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