Have the Trams gone to Yesterland?

[NobodyElse]

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Cool.

Nine is nearly more than ten. Also, nine is not more than ten. One might even say that nine is less than ten.

Out of those three statements, which one seems the least accurately descriptive?

BUT, if you were to tell me that the walk from the parking structure to Main Street seems farther than the walk between many of the rides, attractions, or eating spots in the park, I would certainly agree with you.

Edited thanks to @Darkbeer1 's proof-reading

 

[Darkbeer1]

I would certainly with you.

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[Castle Cake Apologist]

This thread is wild.

 

[flynnibus]

Cool.

Nine is nearly more than ten. Also, nine is not more than ten. One might even say that nine is less than ten.

Out of those three statements, which one seems the least accurately descriptive?

You loco...

The adverb was used because it's a comparison between approximations - not actual measurements. If I had the actual measurements (like your horrible 9 or 10 analogy) I would have made a more authoritative statement with precision. Instead, one uses a word that conveys the comparison is 'close enough' or 'nearly' or 'almost the same'... like... virtually.

When you are talking the order of thousands... 9 and 10 are ... virtually the same. Did that make you cringe?

 

[October82]

You loco...

The adverb was used because it's a comparison between approximations - not actual measurements. If I had the actual measurements (like your horrible 9 or 10 analogy) I would have made a more authoritative statement with precision. Instead, one uses a word that conveys the comparison is 'close enough' or 'nearly' or 'almost the same'... like... virtually.

When you are talking the order of thousands... 9 and 10 are ... virtually the same. Did that make you cringe?

I'm not sure why people are giving you a hard time. What you wrote was perfectly intelligible to me.

 

[NobodyElse]

You loco...

The adverb was used because it's a comparison between approximations - not actual measurements. If I had the actual measurements (like your horrible 9 or 10 analogy) I would have made a more authoritative statement with precision. Instead, one uses a word that conveys the comparison is 'close enough' or 'nearly' or 'almost the same'... like... virtually.

When you are talking the order of thousands... 9 and 10 are ... virtually the same. Did that make you cringe?

No, I didn't cringe.

But since you bring it up, the difference between 9 and 10, or 9,000 and 10,000, or any other "order of thousands" seems like a constant 10% to me. (The pie chart would look the same - not even virtually the same.) By strict definition, I suppose if I was a teacher, and my student got a B grade on a test, I could tell him he virtually got an A. I probably wouldn't though.

But that's just me, and I don't mean to derail things further, so for me, I'll end this line of discussion. Remember, I still agree with your underlying premise that it can seem like a relatively long walk from/to the parking structure sometimes.

 

[October82]

No, I didn't cringe.

But since you bring it up, the difference between 9 and 10, or 9,000 and 10,000, or any other "order of thousands" seems like a constant 10% to me. (The pie chart would look the same - not even virtually the same.) By strict definition, I suppose if I was a teacher, and my student got a B grade on a test, I could tell him he virtually got an A. I probably wouldn't though.

But that's just me, and I don't mean to derail things further, so for me, I'll end this line of discussion. Remember, I still agree with your underlying premise that it can seem like a relatively long walk from/to the parking structure sometimes.

The difference between 9 and 10 is 10%.

The difference between 1009 and 1010 is 0.099%.

 

[flynnibus]

But since you bring it up, the difference between 9 and 10, or 9,000 and 10,000, or any other "order of thousands" seems like a constant 10% to me.

That's not what the sentence said at all. "When you are talking the order of thousands... 9 and 10 are ... virtually the same" - It points out when you are talking scales in the 10^3 order of magnitude, numbers in the 10^1 magnitude are virtually the same. That's why we even use the term... 'orders of magnitude' when talking about significance.

And why the fact the distances being discussed don't need tight measurements to get the point across... they are close enough to make the point where the actual difference is insignificant to the bigger thing being quantified.

But enough with explaining the english language...

 

[NobodyElse]

Now, back to the trams.

Anecdotal background: As a kid, it may not have been said out loud, but part of me always considered the trams as a ride. On one hand, it wasn't the best ride, but on the other hand it didn't use up any of my precious A-E tickets. I almost always looked forward to a ride on the "open-air trackless train". Sometimes in the summer, we would ride our bikes to the hotel, and in addition to wandering the grounds, we would take the "Hotel Tram" over to Disneyland, just for the ride, and to get a glimpse at the front gate, and hear some of the sounds.

Present day, I would like the trams to be an option for those parking in the structure. I'd like everybody to have that choice. (I'd also appreciate a sign at the bottom of the escalators, using a little A.I. to give folks the estimated time waiting for and riding a tram vs. walking the distance.)

I understand both points of view. Some people observe that in a full day of walking around the resort, the distance to and from your car may be a small percentage. Others may want to conserve every little bit of energy for walking from one fun thing to another within the park itself. Again, I'd vote to give people the choice.

I don't doubt that there are people at Disney that see not running the trams as a cost-saving occurrence. There are also others wondering why paying customers aren't getting to their store, restaurant, or vending spot sooner. I'm sure there's also the DTD interests that would prefer getting as much foot traffic as possible, so that may come into play as well.

Bottom line for me is that I think the trams should (and hopefully will) return to service. Time will tell...

 

[TP2000]

Now, back to the trams.

Anecdotal background: As a kid, it may not have been said out loud, but part of me always considered the trams as a ride. On one hand, it wasn't the best ride, but on the other hand it didn't use up any of my precious A-E tickets. I almost always looked forward to a ride on the "open-air trackless train". Sometimes in the summer, we would ride our bikes to the hotel, and in addition to wandering the grounds, we would take the "Hotel Tram" over to Disneyland, just for the ride, and to get a glimpse at the front gate, and hear some of the sounds.

Present day, I would like the trams to be an option for those parking in the structure. I'd like everybody to have that choice. (I'd also appreciate a sign at the bottom of the escalators, using a little A.I. to give folks the estimated time waiting for and riding a tram vs. walking the distance.)

I understand both points of view. Some people observe that in a full day of walking around the resort, the distance to and from your car may be a small percentage. Others may want to conserve every little bit of energy for walking from one fun thing to another within the park itself. Again, I'd vote to give people the choice.

I don't doubt that there are people at Disney that see not running the trams as a cost-saving occurrence. There are also others wondering why paying customers aren't getting to their store, restaurant, or vending spot sooner. I'm sure there's also the DTD interests that would prefer getting as much foot traffic as possible, so that may come into play as well.

Fabulous! And so true.

Bottom line for me is that I think the trams should (and hopefully will) return to service. Time will tell...

They darn well better! The current walk-a-mile-in-your-own-shoes operation is not good.

Just thinking out loud here, I wonder if the Vice President of Guest Arrival Experience has ever spent a morning waiting in line to pay $25, parked his car in Mickey & Friends, waited in the security screening mess, and then walked in to work along the 3/4 mile tram route to his office? And then 9 hours later walked the 3/4 mile tram route back to his car buried somewhere deep inside a 15,000 space parking garage?

What do you think the chances are that the Vice President of Guest Arrival Experience has ever done that one day in his life?

I'm guessing it's less than the 0.09% difference between 1009 and 1010.

 

[DrAlice]

Fabulous! And so true.


They darn well better! The current walk-a-mile-in-your-own-shoes operation is not good.

Just thinking out loud here, I wonder if the Vice President of Guest Arrival Experience has ever spent a morning waiting in line to pay $25, parked his car in Mickey & Friends, waited in the security screening mess, and then walked in to work along the 3/4 mile tram route to his office? And then 9 hours later walked the 3/4 mile tram route back to his car buried somewhere deep inside a 15,000 space parking garage?

What do you think the chances are that the Vice President of Guest Arrival Experience has ever done that one day in his life?

I'm guessing it's less than the 0.09% difference between 1009 and 1010.

I'm guessing he also never spent over an hour in a pandemic-times entry line in the bus area near Harbor Blvd., drinking his morning caffeinated beverage, coming to the horrid realization that there was not a port-a-potty in sight, only to find that once he *finally* entered the esplanade (after successfully not ruining his pants) that all bathrooms were closed for cleaning.

Sorry, not trams related, but I'm still bitter. It wasn't a magical guest arrival experience for this guest. However, it was almost, uh, immersive.

Carry on...

 

[TP2000]

I'm guessing he also never spent over an hour in a pandemic-times entry line in the bus area near Harbor Blvd., drinking his morning caffeinated beverage, coming to the horrid realization that there was not a port-a-potty in sight, only to find that once he *finally* entered the esplanade (after successfully not ruining his pants) that all bathrooms were closed for cleaning.

Sorry, not trams related, but I'm still bitter. It wasn't a magical guest arrival experience for this guest. However, it was almost, uh, immersive.

Carry on...

No, no, that's perfect. And sadly quite common.

You were immersed in the Guest Arrival Experience.

In TDA's defense, they don't pay a Vice President six figures per year for a title called "Excellent Guest Arrival Experience", or even a Vice President in charge of a "Fairly Decent Guest Arrival Experience".

It is simply a Guest Arrival Experience, of one form or another. Usually that experience is crummy and chaotic. Obviously your expectations were way too high for that executive's title to live up to.