Haunted Mansion

[lazyboy97o]

Yes I would call Homeward Bound a flop during theatrical.

Information on Homeward Bound’s budget does not seem to be readily available. Compared to some other Disney produced films of the time Hocus Pocus was actually kind of expensive when other live action films were being budgets in the low teens. Even Tombstone cost a little less than Hocus Pocus. It doesn’t seem unreasonable for Homeward Bound to have cost less $10 - $15 million which means it’s threshold for financial success would have been a good bit lower.

 

[Disney Irish]

Which is weird because Bette Midler was all over the Disney MGM Studios during it's early years. I think it was she spent years on Broadway and had no time to make silly kids movies for Disney. She hasn't really stared in movie is almost twenty five years.

She has starred in or otherwise had roles in over 20 films post-Hocus Pocus. Not to mention guest spots on tv shows, several documentaries, etc. so she was plenty busy. None for Disney until her return in Hocus Pocus 2 in 2022.

So its not like she wasn't doing anything in Hollywood anymore. Maybe there was a falling out, who knows.

 

[Disney Irish]

Information on Homeward Bound’s budget does not seem to be readily available. Compared to some other Disney produced films of the time Hocus Pocus was actually kind of expensive when other live action films were being budgets in the low teens. Even Tombstone cost a little less than Hocus Pocus. It doesn’t seem unreasonable for Homeward Bound to have cost less $10 - $15 million which means it’s threshold for financial success would have been a good bit lower.

Its very possible it could have been more financially successful during its theatrical run, especially compared to Hocus Pocus.

But for the sake of this discussion I would just consider its a flop also, even more so with the sequel.

 

[Phroobar]

She has starred in or otherwise had roles in over 20 films post-Hocus Pocus. Not to mention guest spots on tv shows, several documentaries, etc. so she was plenty busy. None for Disney until her return in Hocus Pocus 2 in 2022.

So its not like she wasn't doing anything in Hollywood anymore. Maybe there was a falling out, who knows.

She had roles but she wasn't staring in much. Broadway is more her thing.

 

[Phroobar]

Its very possible it could have been more financially successful during its theatrical run, especially compared to Hocus Pocus.

But for the sake of this discussion I would just consider its a flop also, even more so with the sequel.

I always though Hocus Pocus was a Disney Channel movie. I was shocked to learn it was in the theater.

 

[Disney Irish]

She had roles but she wasn't staring in much. Broadway is more her thing.

First Wives Club
That Old Feeling
Drowning Mona
Stepford Wives

Were but a few of the ones she had a starring role in.

 

[Phroobar]

First Wives Club
That Old Feeling
Drowning Mona
Stepford Wives

Were but a few of the ones she had a starring role in.

I can do IMDB too.

 

[celluloid]

No need to have a theory on why Bette did not work for the mouse house for five to eight years. It happens. Movie stars have contracts with different studios at a time.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Maybe Eisner wasn't a fan of The Divine Miss M, because he sure didn't cast her in anything other than a cameo in Fantasia 2000 after Hocus Pocus.

Under the Touchstone banner, Bette was in these films during the Eisner reign:

Down and Out in Beverly Hills
Ruthless People
Big Business
Beaches
Scenes from a Mall

 

[TP2000]

It did. $44 million is less than the $56 million it would have needed just to cover its production costs and about half of the $84 million needed to cover the traditional marketing assumption.

Adjusted for inflation, Haunted Mansion is tracking almost exactly towards the box office Hocus Pocus suffered with in '93.

The most glaring difference is the ridiculously bloated budgets Disney now uses. Adjusted for inflation, Disney spent over double to produce Haunted Mansion in '23 than they did for Hocus Pocus in '93. With all the advances in employee efficiency and technology of the last 30 years, why would your production costs double in that time? Makes no sense to me.

 

[WowFactor]

Tape back from 90's just to illustrate our discussion about the turtles...

 

[Disney Irish]

Under the Touchstone banner, Bette was in these films during the Eisner reign:

Down and Out in Beverly Hills
Ruthless People
Big Business
Beaches
Scenes from a Mall

Yes, we were talking about her work AFTER Hocus Pocus in 1993, which she didn't work for Disney again with the exception of a Fantasia 2000 cameo until Hocus Pocus 2, 29 years after the first. That is a long gap not to have worked for Disney when she worked with them on many movies before that.

 

[Disney Irish]

With all the advances in employee efficiency and technology of the last 30 years, why would your production costs double in that time? Makes no sense to me.

Human costs, ie actors, directors, writers, producers, etc., have all increased tremendously over that period, these are not factored into the inflation costs.

Not saying that as an excuse, but more maybe an explanation on why costs are different even after adjusting for inflation.

 

[Disney Irish]

I can do IMDB too.

So then you know she wasn't just doing Broadway.....

 

[Magenta Panther]

So the new Haunted Mansion film is a flop, which is no surprise. To me, it looked too dark and not much fun. The personality of the Mansion has always been more eerily playful rather than horrifying. IMO, a better way to portray it on film would be to have most of the ghosts, including The Hatbox Ghost, behaving as mischievous but ultimately benign entities, with one exception - The Bride. She'd be a ghost the rest of the ghosts are afraid of. In fact, Hattie would have some history with her. Who do you think put his head in that hatbox?

And then there's the other ghost whose head has been separated from her body - Madame Leota. Perhaps The Bride is responsible for that too. Perhaps Leota and Hattie were lovers once - Hattie having left The Bride for her. Maybe the Bride didn't like that and dealt with it, and now Hattie and Leota are unable to interact with each other as full ghosts. Perhaps their mutual dream is to someday dance with each other in the Haunted Ballroom. And there - bang! - you've got a doomed-love story a Haunted Mansion film's plot could revolve around. That would at least give an HM film some heart. Anyway, it's fun to think about...

 

[Tha Realest]

Yea the turtles were HUGE then. I still watch the original TMNT movie. And the turtles arcade beat em up, classic. I remember people going crazy trying to find the April action figure as was only one to case. It is shocking that being alive in the 90s and not knowing about the turtles.

The original TMNT was, for a time, the highest grossing independent film. It did better than anything else Disney released that year (1990, early in the Renaissance era) except for Pretty Woman.

 

[Tha Realest]

Now i expect Disney plus might get it for a halloween release?

Halloween? This things sinking so fast we’ll get it soon after Labor Day

 

[DavidDL]

Just got out of a second viewing. I suppose the only lingering question I have is, are the ghosts who follow the cast home doing so as a command (ie, they are doing the bidding of the Hatbox Ghost to keep them in the Mansion) or, are they trying to get the cast to return in order to help them out (ie, set them free)?

I suppose it can be interpreted either way. Evidence for them following orders is Hatbox’s “You’ll be back. You’ll be back.” line at the start of the film, as if things are going according to his plan. However, I think it’s just as possible to see them as asking for help with their hauntings. They don’t seem particularly “evil”, per se. -and the Mariner’s line, “Return!” plays into the finale when “return” is the phrase used by Harriet and Leota to banish the Hatbox Ghost back to the regions beyond.

It’s possible a little of both could be true, too. Curious what vibe others who saw it got?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Just got out of a second viewing. I suppose the only lingering question I have is, are the ghosts who follow the cast home doing so as a command (ie, they are doing the bidding of the Hatbox Ghost to keep them in the Mansion) or, are they trying to get the cast to return in order to help them out (ie, set them free)?

I suppose it can be interpreted either way. Evidence for them following orders is Hatbox’s “You’ll be back. You’ll be back.” line at the start of the film, as if things are going according to his plan. However, I think it’s just as possible to see them as asking for help with their hauntings. They don’t seem particularly “evil”, per se. -and the Mariner’s line, “Return!” plays into the finale when “return” is the phrase used by Harriet and Leota to banish the Hatbox Ghost back to the regions beyond.

It’s possible a little of both could be true, too. Curious what vibe others who saw it got?

I think it was just a plot device to:

1. Force people to stay in the HM (too many ghost/horror movies have people inexplicably sticking around instead of running away)

2. Be a story beat to match the ride's "a ghost will follow you home!! mwahahahaha!!!"

The movie did show that there were ghosts that wanted to oust Hatbox; and others, in fear of him, did his bidding. So, the motive of the ghosts following them home could go either way.

With the ghosts' intentions at odds with one another, I'm looking forward, tho, to Haunted Mansion 2: Civil War!!

 

[DavidDL]

I think it was just a plot device to:

1. Force people to stay in the HM (too many ghost/horror movies have people inexplicably sticking around instead of running away)

2. Be a story beat to match the ride's "a ghost will follow you home!! mwahahahaha!!!"

The movie did show that there were ghosts that wanted to oust Hatbox; and others, in fear of him, did his bidding. So, the motive of the ghosts following them home could go either way.

With the ghosts' intentions at odds with one another, I'm looking forward, tho, to Haunted Mansion 2: Civil War!!

I agree it's absolutely a plot device but I do like to think about the "in-universe" explanations for stuff like this. After a little bit more thinking, I'm all in on those assigned to "follow them home" doing so at the behest of Hatbox. For the following reasons:

1) Hatbox's line during the opening title card inferring it.

2) We're told that Father Kent's haunt said the same thing as Ben's ("return"). This suggests a larger, coordinated plan and similar orders to the haunts if they are all using the same phrase to get folks back in the house.

3) Hatbox has a line during the finale where he says, "You all have betrayed me for the last time!". While this could just be generic villain dialogue, the way it is said doesn't feel like it makes much sense to me without some sort of betrayal from the haunts before this point in the film. Which is actually the case if the haunts were originally acting under Hatbox's orders. Because once it becomes clear that our cast actually has a shot at banishing Hatbox/poses a threat to his plan, they turn on him and begin helping the crew by detailing his plan and even leading them to where they can find an item to be used in his banishment.

4) It gives a comeuppance to Hatbox, who is banished using the term "return". The same command he gave the haunts to try and keep the team trapped inside the house, ultimately ends up being that which traps him in the region beyond.

I know I am just thinking too hard about the silly ghost movie. Sorry. I just think this sort of stuff is fun to think about.