With all this speculation about the HBG, what I want to know is... is Jeff Vahle the reason Imagination is still being ignored?
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News Hatbox Ghost coming to Walt Disney World's Haunted Mansion
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yensidtlaw1969
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Imagineering spoke up plenty about why The Endless Hallway was problematic for The HBG.Imagineering could benefit from a little retrospective. And reread some of it's founding principals and core commandments... Or at least listen to reason, fandom and internal counter arguments. Unrelated, seems like Uni isn't having any difficulty in poaching former Imagineers.Wonder why?
And yes, I definitely feel like Hattie's placement is a blight on the Orlando mansion. But, whatever.
They were not driving this train.
Dranth
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Wasn't Universal Creative just gutted recently?Imagineering could benefit from a little retrospective. And reread some of it's founding principals and core commandments... Or at least listen to reason, fandom and internal counter arguments. Unrelated, seems like Uni isn't having any difficulty in poaching former Imagineers.
And yes, I definitely feel like Hattie's placement is a blight on the Orlando mansion. But, whatever.
lazyboy97o
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During the pandemic. They’ve brought people back on.
lazyboy97o
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Budgets aren’t just pulled out of the air but they’re also set before a lot is known. The big risk with any project in an existing facility is that you don’t really know everything about the existing conditions and you won’t until you start doing demolition. This risk increases the older a facilities is because documentation is less detailed and less readily available.
“They’ve done it before” is not really true. Just because show set pieces were fabricated in duplicate doesn’t make the buildings the same, something readily apparent by the differences in the rides. Even if they did start off the same, a half century of being operated, maintained and updated differently is going to have an impact. Starting with the Disneyland project though remains a reasonable starting point for budgeting because estimating is done by making comparisons and it is the closest comparison available.
The HGTV remodel moment of drama where they rip open a wall and find something awful is actually very real scenario that does happen. So is the subsequent conversation about what is going to be changed, scaled back or cut in order to pay for this newfound problem.
All design projects proceed in phases. You go from the vague to the details. You start with assumptions that are not always true.
“They’ve done it before” is not really true. Just because show set pieces were fabricated in duplicate doesn’t make the buildings the same, something readily apparent by the differences in the rides. Even if they did start off the same, a half century of being operated, maintained and updated differently is going to have an impact. Starting with the Disneyland project though remains a reasonable starting point for budgeting because estimating is done by making comparisons and it is the closest comparison available.
The HGTV remodel moment of drama where they rip open a wall and find something awful is actually very real scenario that does happen. So is the subsequent conversation about what is going to be changed, scaled back or cut in order to pay for this newfound problem.
All design projects proceed in phases. You go from the vague to the details. You start with assumptions that are not always true.
Tha Realest
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Our next door neighbors were in the midst of a rehab when they found out - after they opened it - that one of the walls was not weight-bearing as they had assumed.
As I am knee deep in the renovation of a 70 year old commercial building, I can, unfortunately, confirm.
To borrow a phrase, there are:
1. Lies
2. Damn Lies
3. As-Built Documentation
Indy_UK
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He is a massive problem to WDW.
That is disappointing to hear - based on initial observations I was hopeful that he would be a positive influence at WDW.
Indy_UK
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I don’t know for sure but I get the impression that he’s a typical bean counter who’s there to help maximise profits.
Mickey views in the past have mentioned that projects for WDW don’t even go as far as Josh as Jeff puts a stop to them
Animaniac93-98
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How soon before they stick Hattie in Phantom Manor to justify selling merch with him overseas?
Rhinocerous
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Can confirm. And it’s not limited to 70 year old buildings. My old job moved into a new construction whose electronics bore little resemblance to the drawings.
networkpro
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- In the Parks
- Yes
IMHO the hatbox ghost doesnt add much to the attraction.
Marc Davis Fan
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Hopefully the other improvements include more “show” for the Foyer… which is a true show scene in every Haunted Mansion but DL’s… But now that they’ve used the “slowly-changing portrait” effect in the load area, I’m not sure what visually-engaging element could work in the Foyer…
I don't trust current design to be subtle. And it is a great slow reveal as it is.
Marc Davis Fan
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That's a good point... sadly. Considering HBG's story-destroying placement in WDW's HM, maybe we should hope they don't do much.
I would've been happy with WDW's slow-changing Foyer portrait in DL's Foyer (before they added the same effect to DL's load area, of course), but on the other hand, as you say, DL's Foyer works in its own way as a slower reveal.
Fido Chuckwagon
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I'm old enough to remember when Hatbox Ghost just had to go where it went because it wasn't possible to put him in the attic because of top secret information (haunted mansion sits on top of a nuclear missile silo I guess). I am shocked to learn that was hogwash and it turns out they just installed Hatbox in the cheapest location possible.