Harry Potter mistake? ood for Disney?

ParentsOf4

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A cynic would say this is a sneaky ruse to force fans to park hop. Maybe. But it's certainly not a bad thing for the resort as a whole.
Expanding HP into US is a brilliant idea. Currently, there's a mad rush to IOA each morning as most guests flock to WWOHP. By adding a new HP land in US, not only will the crowds be more evenly distributed but Universal will be able to sell more multi day & hopper tickets.
 

PirateFrank

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I don't know if it's had much impact on WDW as of yet. Attendance wise, it hasn't. People may be taking 1 day out of their WDW trips to see WWOHP, but there isn't nearly enough there to justify more than that, if a side trip to Universal wasn't planned already.

I happen to agree on one thing - Putting Harry Potter into Universal Studios would be a mistake. There is more than enough room to expand at IOA (Lost Continent). You don't want to put all your eggs in one basket. Sure, Harry Potter is popular, but if you throw it everywhere, you're bound to get backlash and overkill from people who aren't die hard fans or those who simply don't care.

The biggest difference I see between Universal and Disney is that when Universal retires an attraction, they always seem to replace it with something good. Disney on the other hand, often retires attractions and replaces it with nothing, or with something that is inferior to it's predecessor.


I disagree with you there. I think putting Potter into US is a stroke of absolute genius.

You said it yourself, in your first paragraph. Families are only diverting to IOA for a day right now. They rent a car in the middle of their WDW vacation for one day. They drive to IOA, go straight to WWOHP and return back to WDW. From Disney's perspective (and this is likely reflected in market research when assessing the impact of WWOHP), these people purchased Magic Your Way tickets for their entire stay. (even if they cut a day off, the ticket prices are structured in a way that the difference is minimal). These families are also staying on property the whole trip. They only thing they are not doing is going to the theme parks for one day of their trip. This is *exactly* how my family did it back in October.

At the end of the day, Disney's bottom line is not impacted severely by people going off to IOA for a day. In fact, any loss of revenue by these people can easily be publically blamed on the economy. Disney has been going on for almost a solid 2 years now, claiming that the WWOHP isn't making an impact. But you'd have to be a fool to believe that, considering what I said above. There's been an impact...absolutely there has.

So now Uni hatches this plan to get rid of Jaws. They're installing Diagon Alley, with (reportedly) an "E ticket" that rivals Forbidden Journey and a train ride to the other side. The problem is, you need a 2-day park ticket to ride that train.

Uh oh.

Now, here's where Uni's plan is pure genius. If you want to see both sides of WWOHP, you need to plan a second (maybe third) day there (or pay double - what vacationing family would do that?). All of a sudden, families that were traveling to WDW for 5-7 days with a mid-trip stopover at IOA, taking Magical Express both ways...will stop doing that. Instead, families will now take ME *one* way and shorten the WDW portion of their trip by 2-3 days. The other half will be spent at Universal, in one of Uni's hotels, where families will visit both sides of WWOHP over the course of these 2-3 days. This is EXACTLY how my family intends to do this, when they open up the phase II of WWOHP.

That's pure genius to me. Uni has figured out a way to draw away absolutely die-hard dedicated WDW families, like mine, for more than just a day. They've figured out how to get my family to sleep on *their* property...and in doing so, they've figured out how to get me to spend my money at Citiwalk.

I welcome anyone to tell me this isn't going to hit WDW hard....I don't see how it doesn't.
 

goofy donald

New Member
While I am saddened by the closure of Jaws as it was one of my favorite rides, to say that it is a stupid move to expand Harry Potter is ridiculous and shows that the OP has no understanding of the impact that attraction has had not only on Universal but WDW as well.

I totally agree that its smart to expand potter, but to expand it into the other park is dumb. they should have merely found a way to expand onto the current land somehow as having two lands of the same franchise in one resort is just weird. I believe this will be a case of too much of a good thing, universal cant neglect all the other wonderful franchises they have just for this one. I loved Jaws and I'm sure that they could have made some sort of great new land to replace it instead of just saying lets do more harry potter. I guess I'm saying I dont want to see stagnation and taking the easy way out, I want to see what they could do with another film franchise I like if they're going to sacrifice one of my favorite attractions (and one of the undisputed best theme park attractions) ever for it.
 

WondersOfLife

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COUGH COUGH :AVATAR, CARS LAND, DISNEY IS NO BETTER: COUGH COUGH!!

Phew... Someone have a ricola?

As I quote what I've already said.. "with all that being said, I hope Avatarland won't be as big as they say it will.."

I'm also not a huge fan of Cars land my self. It's amazing you've got the guts to say "Disney is no better than Universal" on a Disney fan site ._.

-WondersOfLife


The last original pavilion. :king:
 

WondersOfLife

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I totally agree that its smart to expand potter, but to expand it into the other park is dumb. they should have merely found a way to expand onto the current land somehow as having two lands of the same franchise in one resort is just weird. I believe this will be a case of too much of a good thing, universal cant neglect all the other wonderful franchises they have just for this one. I loved Jaws and I'm sure that they could have made some sort of great new land to replace it instead of just saying lets do more harry potter. I guess I'm saying I dont want to see stagnation and taking the easy way out, I want to see what they could do with another film franchise I like if they're going to sacrifice one of my favorite attractions (and one of the undisputed best theme park attractions) ever for it.

That's the part i'm trying to come across too. Why not Percy Jackson, Lord of the Rings or anything.. ANYthing but Harry Potter? I'm getting tired of HP /: Consider myself going to EPCOT this year [:

-WondersOfLife


The last original pavilion. :king:
 

PirateFrank

Well-Known Member
What is Percy Jackson?

http://percyjacksonbooks.com/

Similar to HP. Boy finds out he's not ordinary, but super powerful and that there's a whole world of magic he discovers. He pairs up with another super powerful girl and another guy (comic relief). They battle and save the world from destruction.

A movie was released a few years ago. I didn't think it was that bad. It wasn't HP but it certainly wasn't as bad as Sorcerer's Apprentice.

The movie either fell short of expectations or was a flat out failure, depending on who you ask. Another movie is in the works...
 

disney fan 13

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As I quote what I've already said.. "with all that being said, I hope Avatarland won't be as big as they say it will.."

I'm also not a huge fan of Cars land my self. It's amazing you've got the guts to say "Disney is no better than Universal" on a Disney fan site ._.

-WondersOfLife


The last original pavilion. :king:

You took my words out of context, I said Disney is no better in creating non franchise based Attractions recently then Universal
 

shmmrname

Active Member
Personally, I do think Harry Potter has enough staying power and brand awareness to be one of the few franchises to survive decades in some fashion. It's very infrequent that it happens, and I think that's the danger you can get into. For every Star Wars, there's thousands of solid franchises that just don't reach that upper echelon.
 

KeithVH

Well-Known Member
Ood? Which one, Sigma, Nephew, or some other?

But I digress.

Back on topic - think of it this way, bring both subjects together with this applicable quote:

"this song is ending, but the story never ends"

Think about it.
 

StormyStitch

New Member
That's the part i'm trying to come across too. Why not Percy Jackson, Lord of the Rings or anything.. ANYthing but Harry Potter? I'm getting tired of HP /: Consider myself going to EPCOT this year [:

-WondersOfLife


The last original pavilion. :king:

As of December 26: "The Grey Havens" from "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" was playing in the Stave Church. :cool:

Now, that was a magical and pleasant surprise!
 

WondersOfLife

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Original Poster
I guess it's an even situation.


Disney closes Snow White. Universal closes JAWS. But I don't understand why a still powerful attraction would've been closed. Snow White is a minor attraction, that's being enhanced to a bigger attraction. :shrug:

-WondersOfLife


The last original pavilion. :king:
 

J03Y

Well-Known Member
i kind of agree with what you're trying to say.

yes, Harry Potter will not have a large and increasing following in the years to come, but it's still a cool land/world/hoopla nonetheless. even non-fans enjoy it.

i do also agree, expanding it into the other park is redundant. just keep everything in one park for the sake of order. expand on what they have instead of making something unnecessarily different.
 

Walt Disney1955

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Being to Universal multiple times I can't help but think why they couldn't let Jaws co-exist. This was the biggest box office movie of all-time at one point. Not to mention the impact this movie had on the public was practically peerless. Honestly, what did Jaws seriously make people stop doing? It literally scared people OUT of the water. Yeah, a movie did that to people. It is reminiscent of Pscyho where it made you think twice about taking a shower rather than a bath. It got into your head. Anyone 40 years old or older remembers this.

There were better things to get rid of than Jaws though. I think that's what seperates Universal from Disney. While Disney does make changes as well, you can still see things in 2012 that you saw in the opening in 1971 and that's still a good thing so long as it is coupled with newer attractions. You have to have a blend of both. Universal is gutting the soul of the park. There aren't many originals left there. ET? Lucy? That's all I can think of.
 

menamechris

Well-Known Member
Being to Universal multiple times I can't help but think why they couldn't let Jaws co-exist. This was the biggest box office movie of all-time at one point. Not to mention the impact this movie had on the public was practically peerless. Honestly, what did Jaws seriously make people stop doing? It literally scared people OUT of the water. Yeah, a movie did that to people. It is reminiscent of Pscyho where it made you think twice about taking a shower rather than a bath. It got into your head. Anyone 40 years old or older remembers this.

There were better things to get rid of than Jaws though. I think that's what seperates Universal from Disney. While Disney does make changes as well, you can still see things in 2012 that you saw in the opening in 1971 and that's still a good thing so long as it is coupled with newer attractions. You have to have a blend of both. Universal is gutting the soul of the park. There aren't many originals left there. ET? Lucy? That's all I can think of.

There is just simply no more land at Universal for them to play with on an expansion like this. And the execution of this - the train ride - it is ingenius. People will be blown away by what they will experience. It will be yet another situation of - "Why can't Disney do something like this?" If the plan is followed through, it will bring a whole different level of story-telling to the theme park experience. And it will be something every HP fan will want to experience - so yes, Universal has figured out how to force people to not only spend an extra day there, but also be required to have a parkhopper....
 

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