Rumor Hall of Presidents Replaced by Muppets American History Show???

[hopemax]

I didn't want to get political, but I feel this needs to be addressed: Disney's removal of Americana from their theme parks is the exact kind of behavior from corporations that has increasingly pushed voters towards conservative candidates. Believe it or not, most Americans like America and think cancel culture is stupid. While I understand your argument is that Disney would make this change for business reasons, to many Americans it's going to sound like "woke Disney" is making another attack on American values.

With previous generations, I might agree with you. However, Disney has been studio IP motivated for so long, and Disney's consumers have changed so much with their expectations, I think the primary reaction will be, "I love [insert franchise replacing]! I didn't understand why things like the Hall of Presidents were in a Disney Park anyway. If I wanted history I would have gone to DC or Philadelphia." The next group of parents are those who were babies at the start of, or were born in this century, and I don't think they tie American values & Disney together like you think they do.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

I still don't get it. Muppet-Vision 3D is apparently on the chopping block because the Muppets seemingly aren't popular anymore. But the Muppets, despite their supposed unpopularity, are being considered for a Hall of Presidents replacement?

I think Muppets are too popular for Disney to get rid of, but not popular enough for their current representation. That courtyard in DHS has enough real estate to become a mini-land for an IP that moves more merch than Kermit & the gang.

If Disney got rid of Muppets completely, fans would be very upset. It would be like getting rid of Figment.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

If Disney is actually interested in making money, they should double down on the Americana within the parks. That is what the people actually want.

Is it? I don't know that I've ever seen a guest in MK wearing a Davy Crockett hat, even though they're for sale in the trading co. I don't anticipate Tom Sawyer t-shirts selling anywhere near as much as Lightning McQueen.

Even aside from merch, I don't know if people are going to book trips to Disney because of new "Americana Rides." A new Louis & Clark raft ride replacing TSI wouldn't have as many parents booking trips as the Cars experience will.

 

[Club34]

The reality is that as of yesterday, more than half of the country would disagree with you. Look, it’s never fun to be on the losing side of an issue, but you accept it and move on. There will be another election in 2028 and I’m sure it could have a much different outcome.

Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln Mr. Trump 2020?

 

[Chef Mickey]

Just want to throw out, 3 days before the Election, I've never heard a bigger round of applause than that moment for President Trump. It was then I knew he'd win.

I think the current Hall of Presidents is actually somewhat decent, but man, do they ever focus on certain presidents who many would think are terrible. I think it could certainly be more balanced in terms of who they celebrate, but it's solid. I also would like the current president to go back to a speech instead of the Oath.

 

[GenChi]

Think a lot of these posts ignore that Disney has legitimate reasons they would want to remove HOP, that isn't tied to politics

• One of the lowest rated attraction in the entire Magic Kingdom
• Low to moderate interest these days, with very little core kid demographic interest
• No distinguishable IP that Disney owns and can promote
• No real way to merchandise the attraction
• No Lightning Lane
• A mandatory renovation every 4-8 years that requires alterations to include a new president which includes significant downtime and cost
• The resort has become more of an international destination; this topic doesn't resonate much as it did when it was all domestic guests
• A strange break in the fantasy escapism from the real world that the rest of the resort provides
• Located in prime real estate

And this is before just how hostile reaction has become to the nature of the attraction. When they remove it it's because they have many reasons they want it gone, not only because they hate an elected official.

 

[Consumer]

Is it? I don't know that I've ever seen a guest in MK wearing a Davy Crockett hat, even though they're for sale in the trading co. I don't anticipate Tom Sawyer t-shirts selling anywhere near as much as Lightning McQueen.

Even aside from merch, I don't know if people are going to book trips to Disney because of new "Americana Rides." A new Louis & Clark raft ride replacing TSI wouldn't have as many parents booking trips as the Cars experience will.

I'm not talking about rides, I'm talking about environment.

 

[Chef Mickey]

It's more that on one hand you would have had little girls seeing a female animatronic in the attraction for the first time. Inspiring a new generation. With the person who won ... it seems that this could become wildly controversial under the eyes of a company who re-themed SPLASH when no one was calling for it to go away in the first place.

But if they re-theme HOP, then they avoid the scandal of it all.

Seems like an easy win. Muppet Vision's days are numbered. The outcry over it's likely end was tremendous. HOP is sitting there with a new controversial headliner on the horizon ... all the while they need to find a new home for The Muppets.

There's no scandal. America spoke louder than they have since 2004 for Republicans. Decisive and you'd actually make more than half of America happy with an updated Trump. The others can cope. The other side had to cope in 2020 too.

 

[dennis-in-ct]

Think a lot of these posts ignore that Disney has legitimate reasons they would want to remove HOP, that isn't tied to politics

• One of the lowest rated attraction in the entire Magic Kingdom
• Low to moderate interest these days, with very little core kid demographic interest
• No distinguishable IP that Disney owns and can promote
• No real way to merchandise the attraction
• No Lightning Lane
• A mandatory renovation every 4-8 years that requires alterations to include a new president which includes significant downtime and cost
• The resort has become more of an international destination; this topic doesn't resonate much as it did when it was all domestic guests
• A strange break in the fantasy escapism from the real world that the rest of the resort provides
• Located in prime real estate

And this is before just how hostile reaction has become to the nature of the attraction. When they remove it it's because they have many reasons they want it gone, not only because they hate an elected official.

All really good and fair points.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Think a lot of these posts ignore that Disney has legitimate reasons they would want to remove HOP, that isn't tied to politics

• One of the lowest rated attraction in the entire Magic Kingdom
• Low to moderate interest these days, with very little core kid demographic interest
• No distinguishable IP that Disney owns and can promote
• No real way to merchandise the attraction
• No Lightning Lane
• A mandatory renovation every 4-8 years that requires alterations to include a new president which includes significant downtime and cost
• The resort has become more of an international destination; this topic doesn't resonate much as it did when it was all domestic guests
• A strange break in the fantasy escapism from the real world that the rest of the resort provides
• Located in prime real estate

And this is before just how hostile reaction has become to the nature of the attraction. When they remove it it's because they have many reasons they want it gone, not only because they hate an elected official.

I’m purposely avoiding this conversation but to be clear here: it is a company priority to remove the Hall of Presidents. It’s not an if. It’s a when.

 

[LittleBuford]

I’m purposely avoiding this conversation but to be clear here: it is a company priority to remove the Hall of Presidents. It’s not an if. It’s a when.

The timing (or rather the perception of it) is going to be tricky.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The timing (or rather the perception of it) is going to be tricky.

Oh, I think it will reopen next year with 47.

And then if I were a betting man, I’d bet they close it at some point while all of RoA is being demolished. It’s pretty easy to save face by just including it in that work. I highly doubt they will make a statement like, “in this highly politicized environment, we’ve decided to transition the Hall of Presidents to a new activation.”

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Oh, I think it will reopen next year with 47.

And then if I were a betting man, I’d bet they close it at some point while all of RoA is being demolished. It’s pretty easy to save face by just including it in that work. I highly doubt they will make a statement like, “in this highly politicized environment, we’ve decided to transition the Hall of Presidents to a new activation.”

I don't see Disney having lengthily overlapping closures of BTMRR, the RoA and HoP at the same time, but maybe you're right and they decide to just rip the band aid off and do everything at once.

 

[britain]

Oh, I think it will reopen next year with 47.

And then if I were a betting man, I’d bet they close it at some point while all of RoA is being demolished. It’s pretty easy to save face by just including it in that work. I highly doubt they will make a statement like, “in this highly politicized environment, we’ve decided to transition the Hall of Presidents to a new activation.”

Do you think they’d want to bulldoze the whole thing for that precious space? Or will they simply come up with a new show for the theater?

 

[Drdcm]

Oh, I think it will reopen next year with 47.

And then if I were a betting man, I’d bet they close it at some point while all of RoA is being demolished. It’s pretty easy to save face by just including it in that work. I highly doubt they will make a statement like, “in this highly politicized environment, we’ve decided to transition the Hall of Presidents to a new activation.”

I agree. I think when it closes, they will do so mid term to avoid the inevitable outcry of political bias. That’s what I would try to do at least… but I’m not in charge.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Do you think they’d want to bulldoze the whole thing for that precious space? Or will they simply come up with a new show for the theater?

I agree. I think when it closes, they will do so mid term to avoid the inevitable outcry of political bias. That’s what I would try to do at least… but I’m not in charge.

No idea. There are multiple ideas for the space. One thing I am certain of, after last night, is that the Walt Disney Co. will be leaning heavily out of politics. It is abundantly clear what the mood is nationwide and, more acutely, the environment they operate in within Central Florida.

 

[Tha Realest]

Will it really cost them that much to circulate 45 over as 47? And replay the existing speech?

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

One thing I am certain of, after last night, is that the Walt Disney Co. will be leaning heavily out of politics. It is abundantly clear what the mood is nationwide and, more acutely, the environment they operate in within Central Florida.

About darn time. That's the way it should be.

But that doesn't mean remove a show that is apolitical and celebrates the American institution of the presidency.

 

[Splash4eva]

And they did a just fantastic job of that, too! A historically great job conceding, with nary a complaint or, you know, attempt at insurrection! Way to cope!!!!

This will get deleted, but I couldn’t resist. I apologize for stooping to this level, everyone. I’ll strive to be better at coping, I guess.

Need to stay off CNN pal lol….

after last last night still believe those 81mm votes lol

Yea i couldnt resist and know this is gonna get deleted as well

 

[Earlie the Pearlie]

Need to stay off CNN pal lol….

after last last night still believe those 81mm votes lol

Yea i couldnt resist and know this is gonna get deleted as well

I am not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here. Totally out of curiosity, with no intended animosity, would you mind explaining?