TrainsOfDisney
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If it was bad weather I’m guessing the pilot made an error.
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Gulfstream VERY close to the castle
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Medtronic mfg durable medical equipment. They are big in pumps and continuous glucose monitors for diabetes.
Dire medical condition wouldn't have justified flying over MK
I agree with the posters who think pilot error or weather diversion
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You forgot N234MM
Gringrinngghost
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I purposely didn't include it since its technically a Museum piece. They also had N2340M
For whatever reason it is still registered.
And N700ES is reserved but not by Disney.
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Note that Orlando approach may have vectored them that way to avoid the weather/other traffic. That would make the incursion perfectly legal.
Which is what I meant by weather diversion.
Rider
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Orlando area pilot here. This is 100% normal and legal.
Note that it's not just commercial flights on an IFR plan that are allowed. I could go up in my Cessna today and if I ask nicely to fly through at 1000' Orlando approach would probably say YES.
The Orlando airspace is very complex. In order to safely land at ORL while avoiding other traffic ATC may vector aircraft through Disney. The standard published ORL approaches for Runway 7 go right through the TFR at 2000'
This is exactly the procedure the aircraft in question was flying. The ILS07
No. The flight was on an IFR flight plan under ATC control. Orlando controllers have the authority to authorize any aircraft to fly through the Disney TFR.
Note that it's not just commercial flights on an IFR plan that are allowed. I could go up in my Cessna today and if I ask nicely to fly through at 1000' Orlando approach would probably say YES.
The Orlando airspace is very complex. In order to safely land at ORL while avoiding other traffic ATC may vector aircraft through Disney. The standard published ORL approaches for Runway 7 go right through the TFR at 2000'
This is exactly the procedure the aircraft in question was flying. The ILS07
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I thought it was important to note that ATC had to be the causative agent, and that the pilot on his own authority isn't supposed to violate the TFR. Pilots divert for weather all the time.
Gringrinngghost
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From what I've seen, They did reserve it and that expired last year.
Its Possible they are going to be getting a new jet since N700ES is currently with Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation, the company that makes their current fleet.
Rider
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Fireworks look tall from the ground but relative to an aircraft they are pretty short. Usually only a couple hundred feet.
Here are some pictures of the New York fireworks taken from the air. You can see they aren't even taller than some of the buildings in Manhattan.
Here's what it's like to watch New York's Fourth of July fireworks show from 7,000 feet in a private plane
Photographer and private pilot Filip Wolak gives a rare look at the New York City Fourth of July fireworks from 7,000 feet above.
www.businessinsider.com
In addition for Epcot specificly the fireworks are being launched over the water and not over the crowds surrounding the lagoon. The helicopters that hang out are even further away than the people in the park. They usually fly south of Buena Vista Dr (which is outside the TFR).
JIMINYCR
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YIKES.
Disney was one of the sites they had mentioned as one of their possible targets back then. With all thats going on with the pull out of Afghanistan and the supposition that it may embolden these characters to hit the USA again.... Hopefully we are on alert for this type of attack happening again.
Don't dwell on the vulnerabilities... you'll never get any sleep.
Gringrinngghost
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There was a low private jet over last night over Epcot. They flew over at 1,950ft.
Where did it land?
Gringrinngghost
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Kissimmee Gateway
JIMINYCR
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No... not dwelling on anything, just aware of the situation and praying nothing ever repeats itself and praying for the country.
I agree but as an enemy general once said after the attack on Dec 7, 1941 " I believe all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with terrible resolve."
Gringrinngghost
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Medivac Just flew at 700ft above MK. Off to the North West near winter garden