Rumor Guest temp check at bag check?

[thomas998]

Amazon is reportedly implementing temp check cameras for workers in some of their facilities. Sounds like what Disney might be considering.

Amazon using thermal cameras at some warehouses to scan workers for fevers

Cases of workers with coronavirus have been reported at 50 Amazon warehouses in the US

www.theverge.com

Yet even the title is very telling, "scans for WORKERS FEARS", they know the cameras are just theater and won't actually do much. At best you might catch 10 to 20 percent of the worst cases, but those cases would have already beeing going to work the previous days spewing viruses all over. That's the biggest issue in that with lots of viruses the person infected is really only going to be infecting others at the onset of the fever and beyond, but with this one you can infect people well before you ever get a fever.

Using camera for this virus will probably increase the number of infections because when people see the camera they will think that all is well and they will let down their guard in safety precautions. I would think the average worker would be less likely to get infected if they had no camera and just assumed that everyone they were working with was infected.

 

[thomas998]

I think temp scans are a starting point for a well-thought out plan for limiting infections, that involves immediate testing and complete isolation for those that test positive, combined with thorough contact tracing to identify those who may also be infected and contagious. I just don't think that Disney has any intention of doing any of those things in conjunction with local health authorities. Not to mention the problems of isolating any positive guests and their travel party within their hotel rooms -- you can't just send them home on a commercial flight. I think temp scans at park gates without a plan for what you do with the people who fail the scans just runs the risk of allowing the virus to spread throughout the resort.

It will also result in people tricking the cameras. Just think someone has paid thousands of dollar for their trip, they notice a little cough and fever when they arrive but know if they are found to have a fever that their money spent is flushed down the toilet, so they stop at a drug store get some tylenol and 45 minutes before the arrive at the park they pop a couple, thermal scanner just failed to catch that infected person. And I don't care if it is wrong for them to do it, the fact is some people will do it and that is one of the biggest problems with a theme park or a airplane trip, you have big nonrefundable purchases either in airplane tickets or theme park tickets and hotels and you are expecting everyone to just say I'll eat the loss. You are going to have lots of people that unless they are feeling the full effects of the virus will just hide it... maybe its the woman standing behind you in the meet and greet or maybe its the one sitting beside you on Jungle Cruise... You'll never know how many people are spewing viruses but lots of people will think that they don't have to worry because the the thermal camera theater that made them feel safer and drop their guards.

 

[thomas998]

Also, Disney is not only trying to address the Coronavirus outbreak. The pandemic has revealed a huge vulnerability in their business model. I’m sure they’re thinking beyond just COVID-19 and asking how they might mitigate the impact of outbreaks of all kinds in the future. Temp checks are effective at screening other types of contagious diseases.

I’m sure someone in the company is also trying to figure out how to fit distancing tape, plexiglass dividers, and periodic fumigation fog into the theme of each area of the parks and resorts...

The problem with things like distancing tape is they aren't doing anything beyond making people feel safer. Think about it, study have already shown that the half life of the virus spewed from a persons cough or breath has is about 1 hour. So in one hour you've still got half as much airborne virus that you have when the person first spewed it out. Now think about you standing in line... You are 6 feet from Mr. Sicko in front of you, he burped, coughed or whatever and spewed a few thousand little corona-critters into the air... Your ride line may be slow but it will really only be maybe a minute before Mr. Sicko moves to the next little 6 foot marker and then you move to his old spot - which is still surrounded by the majority of the viruses he spewed out when he was standing there. That's going to be going on everywhere... When you walk into the souvenir shop the person that was in there just moment before could have been spewing out corona-critter and you just walked through that invisible cloud of potential death. Are you starting to see the problem with the social distancing nonsense? It makes people feel better but unless everyone lives like a statue it doesn't really do much to help anyone it just makes people feel safer while they are still just as likely to be infected.

 

[WDWTrojan]

The problem with things like distancing tape is they aren't doing anything beyond making people feel safer. Think about it, study have already shown that the half life of the virus spewed from a persons cough or breath has is about 1 hour. So in one hour you've still got half as much airborne virus that you have when the person first spewed it out. Now think about you standing in line... You are 6 feet from Mr. Sicko in front of you, he burped, coughed or whatever and spewed a few thousand little corona-critters into the air... Your ride line may be slow but it will really only be maybe a minute before Mr. Sicko moves to the next little 6 foot marker and then you move to his old spot - which is still surrounded by the majority of the viruses he spewed out when he was standing there. That's going to be going on everywhere... When you walk into the souvenir shop the person that was in there just moment before could have been spewing out corona-critter and you just walked through that invisible cloud of potential death. Are you starting to see the problem with the social distancing nonsense? It makes people feel better but unless everyone lives like a statue it doesn't really do much to help anyone it just makes people feel safer while they are still just as likely to be infected.

I just keep imagining someone coughing on the people mover and the folks behind them flying right through that invisible cloud of Miss Rona.

 

[celluloid]

I just keep imagining someone coughing on the people mover and the folks behind them flying right through that invisible cloud of Miss Rona.

Or a nice 4D effect where it becomes areosol.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It will also result in people tricking the cameras. Just think someone has paid thousands of dollar for their trip, they notice a little cough and fever when they arrive but know if they are found to have a fever that their money spent is flushed down the toilet, so they stop at a drug store get some tylenol and 45 minutes before the arrive at the park they pop a couple, thermal scanner just failed to catch that infected person. And I don't care if it is wrong for them to do it, the fact is some people will do it and that is one of the biggest problems with a theme park or a airplane trip, you have big nonrefundable purchases either in airplane tickets or theme park tickets and hotels and you are expecting everyone to just say I'll eat the loss. You are going to have lots of people that unless they are feeling the full effects of the virus will just hide it... maybe its the woman standing behind you in the meet and greet or maybe its the one sitting beside you on Jungle Cruise... You'll never know how many people are spewing viruses but lots of people will think that they don't have to worry because the the thermal camera theater that made them feel safer and drop their guards.

This hasn’t been discussed much but needs to be:

1. People on vacation will lie their arses off to get that vacation...or at least enough will to make the rules dangerously too high on the margin of error.
2. What happens when people “fail”? “Sorry...you have a fever...too bad you spent $10,000, but back to Milwaukee.”

Screenings are somewhat useless for a place like Disney parks for a number of reasons.

 

[WDWTrojan]

This hasn’t been discussed much but needs to be:

1. People on vacation will lie their arses off to get that vacation...or at least enough will to make the rules dangerously too high on the margin of error.
2. What happens when people “fail”? “Sorry...you have a fever...too bad you spent $10,000, but back to Milwaukee.”

Screenings are somewhat useless for a place like Disney parks for a number of reasons.

This.

Also the other thing nobody talks about is how easily this spreads among people in the workplace, you have a very real prospect of an outbreak among cast members - particularly among departments. Not only does this spread to guests, but imagine someone catches it at Space Mountain then the ride has to go down because 150 of the 200 people trained to work that ride are quarantined. Or one of the cafeteria workers catches it who feeds 1,000 cast members a day. Neither are an unrealistic scenario.

Also, most cities will be implementing trace/contact/isolate policies to advise people who may have been exposed. Does Disney need to then notify all guests who rode Space Mountain of an outbreak there?

South Dakota Meat Plant Is Now Country’s Biggest Coronavirus Hot Spot (Published 2020)

Refugees from around the world worked at the Smithfield pork factory in Sioux Falls. Now they face mounting illness and the sudden loss of their jobs.

www.nytimes.com

 

[celluloid]

This.

Also the other thing nobody talks about is how easily this spreads among people in the workplace, you have a very real prospect of an outbreak among cast members - particularly among departments. Not only does this spread to guests, but imagine someone catches it at Space Mountain then the ride has to go down because 150 of the 200 people trained to work that ride are quarantined. Or one of the cafeteria workers catches it who feeds 1,000 cast members a day. Neither are an unrealistic scenario.

Also, most cities will be implementing trace/contact/isolate policies to advise people who may have been exposed. Does Disney need to then notify all guests who rode Space Mountain of an outbreak there?

South Dakota Meat Plant Is Now Country’s Biggest Coronavirus Hot Spot (Published 2020)

Refugees from around the world worked at the Smithfield pork factory in Sioux Falls. Now they face mounting illness and the sudden loss of their jobs.

www.nytimes.com

It also tells you a lot about why the College Program was halted quickly. Well, we know budgetary of course as well, but as likely as it is to return because of the cheap labor of the CP, it is also a place of make out and beyond parties for those complexes and the area from people from all over.

But again, we will likely be in a different phase months from now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It also tells you a lot about why the College Program was halted quickly. Well, we know budgetary of course as well, but as likely as it is to return because of the cheap labor of the CP, it is also a place of make out and beyond parties for those complexes and the area from people from all over.

But again, we will likely be in a different phase months from now.

Possibly...

But the other concept is college program is viewed more as “disposable assets” - like soda and French fries - than employees with longterm obligations.

So if the product doesn’t sell, you don’t “order it” and cut your losses without hesitation.

 

[Calmdownnow]

It also tells you a lot about why the College Program was halted quickly. Well, we know budgetary of course as well, but as likely as it is to return because of the cheap labor of the CP, it is also a place of make out and beyond parties for those complexes and the area from people from all over.

Epidemiologists (for at least 10 years) have predicted pandemic outbreaks in hot-house viral-spread environments that included prisons, cruise ships, nursing homes. military bases and dormitory-type accommodation (like student halls of residence). Harvard emptied it's student halls faster than the speed of light when the pandemic was identified. WDW emptied its shared accommodations for College Program people shortly after, giving them 72 hours to vacate their lodgings. They are unlikely to re-open that accommodation to CP participants anytime soon.

 

[thomas998]

This hasn’t been discussed much but needs to be:

1. People on vacation will lie their arses off to get that vacation...or at least enough will to make the rules dangerously too high on the margin of error.
2. What happens when people “fail”? “Sorry...you have a fever...too bad you spent $10,000, but back to Milwaukee.”

Screenings are somewhat useless for a place like Disney parks for a number of reasons.

But hold on... how do they get back to Milwaukee? They can't fly when they are infected, they would need to be put under quarantine in their hotel room... Is Disney going to want them infecting their resort? We all saw what happens when you have a sick person on a cruise ship and you could look at every resort as a little landlocked cruise ship with the person quarantined there a little corona-factory spewing viruses which wouldn't be an issue if they were quarantined in the cabins, but what if they are in the Contemporary where the air from their room gets pumped through the rest of the hotel? That's going to be a big problem, and in some states you can't force a sick person to leave once they have checked in if they have no place to go and their life would be in danger if they were forced to leave, which is what someone would claim was the case as they would have no way to get home and no hotel would want to take them knowing they were infected.

 

[thomas998]

Said this elsewhere but there are several new studies show that it is actually the asymptomatic people who are the most infectious. Once you start presenting with symptoms its a sliding scale downward. Temperature checks sound lovely in theory but in reality they won't do much. Not to mention the reality is most people who have the kind of fever you get with COVID-19 have little interest in getting out of bed, let alone traipsing around a theme park in 95º heat.

Very true on the not wanting to do anything... Once my fever was over 99 I was feeling so crappy I just wanted to lay in bed and do absolutely nothing.... But the week before the fever hit I had a nagging non productive cough but felt perfectly fine. I'm sure infected back then as I am nearly certain I know when I exposed and it was about a week before the cough started by the time the cough started I was already living in lockdown so I probably had a good week of feeling good enough that if I had wanted to run around an amusement park I could have.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But hold on... how do they get back to Milwaukee? They can't fly when they are infected, they would need to be put under quarantine in their hotel room... Is Disney going to want them infecting their resort? We all saw what happens when you have a sick person on a cruise ship and you could look at every resort as a little landlocked cruise ship with the person quarantined there a little corona-factory spewing viruses which wouldn't be an issue if they were quarantined in the cabins, but what if they are in the Contemporary where the air from their room gets pumped through the rest of the hotel? That's going to be a big problem, and in some states you can't force a sick person to leave once they have checked in if they have no place to go and their life would be in danger if they were forced to leave, which is what someone would claim was the case as they would have no way to get home and no hotel would want to take them knowing they were infected.

Yep...you may be agreeing or disagreeing with me...and yet we end up in the same place...

So really Covid is bringing us all “together”


This “temperature screenings” is far too lazy...cause it requires little of either the seller or the buyer. And what’s more “American” than that??

 

[csmartin]

I'm new here. I have been reading the site for a long time as well as others. I would like to chime in on the temp issue. Someone may have mentioned this already. You can be asymptomatic upwards of 10 days before showing any signs. Someone could have it, not have a fever and come right in. The temp reader will catch folks then. If you have 20,000 people come in and 20 show with a fever or take something to knock the fever down; this will never fly.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm new here. I have been reading the site for a long time as well as others. I would like to chime in on the temp issue. Someone may have mentioned this already. You can be asymptomatic upwards of 10 days before showing any signs. Someone could have it, not have a fever and come right in. The temp reader will catch folks then. If you have 20,000 people come in and 20 show with a fever or take something to knock the fever down; this will never fly.

And that’s a good example of why I don’t think any reopening is close.

I see people shouting “Florida is re-opening!!”

Unless Florida wants to pay some huge insurance premiums for the Walt Disney Company...all of it ain’t opening soon.

 

[thomas998]

I'm new here. I have been reading the site for a long time as well as others. I would like to chime in on the temp issue. Someone may have mentioned this already. You can be asymptomatic upwards of 10 days before showing any signs. Someone could have it, not have a fever and come right in. The temp reader will catch folks then. If you have 20,000 people come in and 20 show with a fever or take something to knock the fever down; this will never fly.

This is the reason it will be a long time before states allow amusement parks to reopen. I am kind of glad Jacksonville opened the beaches as early as they did because it will give the rest of the world a glimpse of what to expect when people get out of a lockdown... I expect Jacksonville is going to have a big jump in cases and deaths in about 2 weeks time which should be enough time for the states to realize the consequences of large groups.

 

[Josh Hendy]

This “temperature screenings” is far too lazy...cause it requires little of either the seller or the buyer. And what’s more “American” than that??

"The issue here is not whether whether we broke a few rules of epidemiology or took liberties with common sense in order to spread false hope among our fans, curry political favor and secure bank credit that we might not have got otherwise - we did. But you can't hold a whole company responsible for the behavior of a few, greedy individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole corporate system? I put it to you, isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!"

 

[_caleb]

Again, temp checks are only one part of a multi-layered approach to heath screening. Temp checks are not the only (or even primary) screening solution, and are more useful against other infectious diseases (the kind where fever is an early indicator of infection). Disney will have an interest in deploying solutions to protect against all kinds of public health threats, not just COVID-19.

As for the charge of temp checks being “nothing more than theater,” temperature cameras work best when installed discretely (guests don’t know when/where their temps are being taken), to help thwart deliberate attempts to evade detection. Screening would occur throughout the parks/resorts, not only at entrance gates.

Nevertheless, temp check systems will also be announced and discussed publicly, as a deterrent against those who might knowingly travel to a Disney park while ill. People may think twice about trying to game the system with paracetamol and ice packs (as some have suggested) if they know Disney is employing high-tech, discrete screening solutions.

As for the challenges of taking guests’ temp on hot days, the systems have ways to control for that.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

As for the challenges of taking guests’ temp on hot days, the systems have ways to control for that.

Are there any examples of these systems being used outdoors in similar climates?

 

[phillip9698]

Again, temp checks are only one part of a multi-layered approach to heath screening. Temp checks are not the only (or even primary) screening solution, and are more useful against other infectious diseases (the kind where fever is an early indicator of infection). Disney will have an interest in deploying solutions to protect against all kinds of public health threats, not just COVID-19.

As for the charge of temp checks being “nothing more than theater,” temperature cameras work best when installed discretely (guests don’t know when/where their temps are being taken), to help thwart deliberate attempts to evade detection.

Nevertheless, temp check systems will also be announced and discussed publicly, as a deterrent against those who might knowingly travel to a Disney park while ill. People may think twice about trying to game the system with paracetamol and ice packs (as some have suggested) if they know Disney is employing high-tech, discrete screening solutions.

As for the challenges of taking guests’ temp on hot days, the systems have ways to control for that.

The only thing they will think twice about is how much Tylenol or Motrin to bring.

When given the options of trying to recoup funds on a trip that's running thousands of dollars and disappointing their children or spending 10 bucks on Tylenol, you know which option will be chosen.