Guardians Tower announcement Saturday in SD ...

Ismael Flores

Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure nobody calls it the Huanted House or the Haunted Hotel.
Sadly I have heard it more than once while at the park. Most tourist rarely know the correct names of the rides. I have even heard people ask cast members where the transformers or minion ride is.

not everyone is knowledgeable on theme parks like us that spent to much time worrying about a ride online
 

FigmentForver96

Well-Known Member
Was in queue at DHS ToT. One college guy to another "no, we can't go on that. We didn't buy the fast passes"
Guest need to know better then that. They could have

1) See the guides to know FP is free.

2) Went to a kiosk and asked or attempted to use the system.

Don't get me wrong, the system is more complicated but it's not that complicated.
 

Ismael Flores

Well-Known Member
I wonder if this change will happen in Paris to. The Hollywood park could easily add a Marvel area by changing the tower, RNRC, Armageddon and the surrounding area
 

Stevek

Well-Known Member
I have no clue if I will have the time and energy to go through posts, so if you asked me a question or wanted a comment ... well, I am supposed to be on summer holiday.

But I was asked to check out my old pal Andy 'now living in a nursing home in Artesia' Castro's Twitter feed regarding the news and the boy is damn accurate with his opinions (all in Twitter's 140 characters too!)

So here's a little bit of Andy, formerly of Micechat:

  1. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    Mission: RETIREMENT! Retweeted DLP Today

    They don’t care about sightlines or thematic consistency anymore.

    Mission: RETIREMENT! added,

    CoJWoW0WIAAs7Zb.jpg

    DLP Today @DLPToday
    Let’s not even begin to think how you’d make this view work with a #GuardiansBREAKOUT tower… Not happening.
    3 retweets15 likes

  2. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    Disney has adopted the Uni model of plugging in whatever IP (as standalone ride or land) where there’s space, regardless of what’s around it

    7 retweets23 likes

  3. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    This is something that often works fine at Studio-themed parks like Uni or DHS, but this is not how parks like DL, DCA, Epcot, etc. work.

    4 retweets20 likes

  4. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    But Iger & Chapek don’t care about that — if they want something in the parks, WDI has to find a place to fit it in, regardless of theme.

    3 retweets12 likes

  5. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    And it extends beyond Iger and Chapek — Imagineers at the top like Tom Fitzgerald and his crew don’t care about theme either.

    1 retweet7 likes

  6. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    These are big reasons why I left Dateline Disneyland and don’t plan to renew my AP when it expires in December.

    3 retweets7 likes

  7. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    It’s not because I’m living in the past and don’t want Disneyland to change.

    4 retweets13 likes

  8. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    It’s because the change Disney is aggressively pursuing for its parks goes against the last 60 years of what Disney theme parks have been.

    7 retweets24 likes

  9. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    What had been a slow shift over the last 30 years has recently become a hard turn in the last 5-10 years.

    5 retweets13 likes

  10. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    This isn’t just fanboy whining, this is the acknowledgement of a significant shift in how Disney views its parks and designs for them.

    5 retweets19 likes

  11. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    Parks like the original Disneyland, EPCOT Center, Animal Kingdom — these are places that would never be built today under the current TWDC.

    6 retweets23 likes

  12. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    If you're okay with this sort of fundamental shift in how Disney designs its parks, then that's fine. Enjoy it.

    2 retweets13 likes
Mission: RETIREMENT!‏@21royalstreet
But screw you if you're sitting around mocking people who are disappointed because the places they love with are changing in such big ways.
As much as I generally can't stand the way the guy carries himself on social media, I really can't disagree with most if not all of what he's said above.
 

Disone

Well-Known Member
We are off topic!!!! But as long as we are discussing misuse of attractions names.... Here are some I have heard:

Fast Track.
Big Tinker Mountain.
Log ride
The Golf Ball
Really this could be its own very entertaining thread. Two weeks ago I was riding the Walt Disney World railroad and seated in the very last row of the very last car. The train was loading and unloading at the frontierland station. The family in front of me was looking at Splash Mountain on the map they had, and trying to figure out where it is. They didn't know whether they should get off at this stop :) From where we were we were seated we were literally still in the tunnel the train goes through Splash Mountain to get to the frontierland station. As I was thinking to myself, do I tell them they're practically IN Splash Mountain right now, they turned around and asked me what ride this train was. They weren't kidding. I told him it was the Walt Disney World Railroad and they confessed that they had it down to either that or Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. Point being it was a fresh reminder that not everybody knows these parts like we do.
 

Donaldfan1934

Well-Known Member
I have no clue if I will have the time and energy to go through posts, so if you asked me a question or wanted a comment ... well, I am supposed to be on summer holiday.

But I was asked to check out my old pal Andy 'now living in a nursing home in Artesia' Castro's Twitter feed regarding the news and the boy is damn accurate with his opinions (all in Twitter's 140 characters too!)

So here's a little bit of Andy, formerly of Micechat:

  1. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    Mission: RETIREMENT! Retweeted DLP Today

    They don’t care about sightlines or thematic consistency anymore.

    Mission: RETIREMENT! added,

    CoJWoW0WIAAs7Zb.jpg

    DLP Today @DLPToday
    Let’s not even begin to think how you’d make this view work with a #GuardiansBREAKOUT tower… Not happening.
    3 retweets15 likes

  2. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    Disney has adopted the Uni model of plugging in whatever IP (as standalone ride or land) where there’s space, regardless of what’s around it

    7 retweets23 likes

  3. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    This is something that often works fine at Studio-themed parks like Uni or DHS, but this is not how parks like DL, DCA, Epcot, etc. work.

    4 retweets20 likes

  4. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    But Iger & Chapek don’t care about that — if they want something in the parks, WDI has to find a place to fit it in, regardless of theme.

    3 retweets12 likes

  5. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 6h6 hours ago
    And it extends beyond Iger and Chapek — Imagineers at the top like Tom Fitzgerald and his crew don’t care about theme either.

    1 retweet7 likes

  6. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    These are big reasons why I left Dateline Disneyland and don’t plan to renew my AP when it expires in December.

    3 retweets7 likes

  7. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    It’s not because I’m living in the past and don’t want Disneyland to change.

    4 retweets13 likes

  8. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    It’s because the change Disney is aggressively pursuing for its parks goes against the last 60 years of what Disney theme parks have been.

    7 retweets24 likes

  9. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    What had been a slow shift over the last 30 years has recently become a hard turn in the last 5-10 years.

    5 retweets13 likes

  10. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    This isn’t just fanboy whining, this is the acknowledgement of a significant shift in how Disney views its parks and designs for them.

    5 retweets19 likes

  11. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    Parks like the original Disneyland, EPCOT Center, Animal Kingdom — these are places that would never be built today under the current TWDC.

    6 retweets23 likes

  12. Mission: RETIREMENT! ‏@21royalstreet 5h5 hours ago
    If you're okay with this sort of fundamental shift in how Disney designs its parks, then that's fine. Enjoy it.

    2 retweets13 likes
Mission: RETIREMENT!‏@21royalstreet
But screw you if you're sitting around mocking people who are disappointed because the places they love with are changing in such big ways.
I strongly agree with everything Andy Castro has to say. If Iger's replacement isn't somehow a miracle, I fear that the park's may fade into irrelevancy. The negative turnaround at DLR in the past year alone has been astonishing.
 

PK2

Well-Known Member
I wonder if this change will happen in Paris to. The Hollywood park could easily add a Marvel area by changing the tower, RNRC, Armageddon and the surrounding area

I've heard there are currently no plans, long or short term, to alter the TZTOT in Paris. It would seem over there that it's viewed as an icon of a park that desperately needs them.

Considering I've also read there have been plans for Marvel at TDSP, it seems Paris is safe from this... For now at least.
 

Ismael Flores

Well-Known Member
There was an interesting article a severla weeks ago about th status of the Walt Disney company.
The article cited the concerns Wall Street has been having with the loss of subscribers with ESPN as cord cutters grows.
The article stated that in order for the company to maintain itself relevant and show wall street that it has a stable future that they would have to focus on the growth of the theme park division to upset the decrease in the network.

It seems like that is part of the direction that they are going for. The recent huge investments in the parks and resorts division. With new ships and more synergy from the studio which is offsetting losses and the theme parks which have actually see an increase domestically.
 

gljvd

Active Member
When I last saw the thread it had roughly a dozen pages in it. I received the news today while on a farm (yep, even had sheep so I was reminded of losing my beloved petting zoo and a quarter of DL's acreage for two Star Wars attractions with capacities that don't begin to approach WED 60s classics like PotC and Small World and Mansion) in some far off place in Europe.

No, it was no more a surprise than when I reported Harry Potter was coming to a second UNI park in FL or that George Kalogridis was becoming WDW Prez or that DCL was expanding with two ships and had plans for another four more and a second island or that a second DVC was coming to the WL or that SDL was incredibly troubled or that Michael Eisner didn't appreciate the lack of respect shown to him by Bob Iger at the opening or ... doesn't really matter. Just reminding folks here (and everyone else reading from Davenport to Glendale, Anaheim to Hong Kong, Paris to Pudong) that I know my stuff, I source it better than 98% of what is left of real journalists and I toss it out here as soon as I possibly can because at heart, I am a Disney fanboi and I can admit that.

Anyway, first on WDW ... yes, the idea of this change happening to Tower is dead. But the Guardians are coming to EPCOT as I posted before and, yes, I think the idea is just flat out sickening.

I loved GotG. Pure fun. A far better film that say ... I dunno ... The Force Awakens ... or Finding Dory ... or Frozen ...or even the ridiculously overrated Citizen Kane (can you believe I said that and actually believe it? I did and I do!) Looking forward to the second one too.

But that doesn't make this right because it is so wrong. Just take a look at the artwork shown, which looks like a cross between the building as it stands and ... I dunno ... almost a Transformers like vibe.

Oh Spirit, you wail, at least they didn't destroy WDW's superior version. To that I say, superior is subjective. I do believe it is the best version sorta ... because TDS's Tower makes up for having a tamer profile by layering on detailing and showmanship like a Renaissance master.

And if you believe DCA has the worst version of the attraction, I would hope that you agree it is still a masterpiece of Imagineering. Because if you don't, then I am saying rip out WDW's Pirates because -- no, the queue most certainly doesn't count in the way some say -- it now is the worst version out of the now five on the globe. Let's put in a Jungle Book ride using the same show building and ride system.

There were many things wrong with DCA from 2001. A lot of those mistakes were fixed by the extreme makeover (remember that Phase II that should be nearing completion about now?) But many weren't. A basic rule of Theme Park 101 should be simple common sense "If it ain't broke, don't break it." But that is what is happening here. A haunted hotel from the 1930s that meshes so perfectly with the new Hollywoodland conceit is going to be destroyed, so that the egos of twin Bobs (talking Iger and Chappie here, Weis can't be blamed for this as it was in the works before he got his new gig and it is being shoved down his throat) can be stroked.

Marvel has a huge presence in a theme park. But we all know that park is IOA. It has a smaller presence in another in Asia. UNI-Japan. Beyond character meet-greet-and-grunts at DL and WDSP (also at IOA, I should add) and a temporary 'sell the BRAND' experience at SDL, they have zero presence in Disney parks globally. TWDC bought Marvel in late 2009. It is almost seven years later. The Bobs are desperate for a Marvel hit and this is the quickest and cheapest way to do that. Besides, I want to go up and down with my fanboi friends while listening to "Come and Get Your Love" by Redbone and "Go All The Way" by the Raspberries, of course!

Joe Rohde? Look, the man is one of the top three salaries (by far) in the Imagineering ranks. He was very close to being out of a job when Pandora fell into his lap, but that project will be opening next year. Getting the Marvel Design Studio likely keeps him employed another five years. And allows him to rub elbows with Hollywood elites and celebs at Marvel premieres. Hell, he likely has access to Bob Iger directly since getting this title.

The fact is that, despite his professed liberal leanings, Bob Iger is a very conservative man. One who doesn't trust his creatives and their output. This has been the case with WDFA, but it certainly is also the case with every other division. His prized IP acquisitions are being thrown into places they don't belong because he never had the trust to say "these films are going to be huge, let's have quality attractions ready to go" so you wind up with a low-capacity Frozen boat ride in a freaking World Showcase pavilion. And you wind up with GotG in DCA's ToT and EPCOT's Future World. And, in so doing, they dilute all of the parks even further. They all become BRAND extensions, tools if you will (not quite the same as social mediawhores are tools ... heck, I wonder how many O-Towners are going to rush to SoCal for last rides and photo retrospectives instead of say ... I dunno ... ripping the decision-making process?)

But it's great that y'all love Olaf and Thor and Darth Vader and BB-8 and Groot because that is what Disney is becoming ... and if you've only been a fan of the parks largely since 2000, you may well think this is great news. If you knew them and loved them from 1955-1999 (or thereabouts) you likely largely feel like I do. The Disney we loved is long dead and today's product is going to be very different moving forward. Some of it is going to be great. But it isn't going to transport you in the same ways that WED and WDI did for their first half century. You are largely going to get mishmashes of conflicting IPs thrown in wherever all the Bobs see fit. And some of them will fit far better than others. This one wouldn't be that.

Here is the problem. You have Epcot which is just soaring and world showcase. Everything else there is old and out dated. You have Hollywood studios which is tower of terror , rocking roller coaster , Disney junior , muppets , star tours.

What do you do with these parks ?

I'm sorry but Universe of Energy should have gone 10 years ago . I love figment but the current ride is horrible. Honey I shrunk the audience and Jackson are old and dated. So you have to sections of the park that need updating. What do you have from Disney that is futuristic ? You have their marvel stuff . But most of it is tied up with universal's park. However you have Big Hero Six which is getting a sequel and you have GOTG which is getting a sequel plus the characters are going to be in the new Avengers movie and big a big part of the next phase . So IMO its a given that Guardians was coming to a park. It wont fit in Magic kingdom , Hollywood studios will have star wars for its sci fi. It also wouldn't fit at Animal Kingdom. So now you have a section that will be themed GOTG and Disney can sell all their marvel stuff there

I've been going to Disney since I was 3 way back in 84' . I loved the parks in the 90s in my teenage years. However those parks haven't existed in a long time. What's left in Epcot hasn't aged that well either. IF you want a largely unchanged experience just keep going to Magic Kingdom . As for Pirates , yes close it down put something else where it is and use an expansion space and put in a good pirates.
 

gljvd

Active Member
There was an interesting article a severla weeks ago about th status of the Walt Disney company.
The article cited the concerns Wall Street has been having with the loss of subscribers with ESPN as cord cutters grows.
The article stated that in order for the company to maintain itself relevant and show wall street that it has a stable future that they would have to focus on the growth of the theme park division to upset the decrease in the network.

It seems like that is part of the direction that they are going for. The recent huge investments in the parks and resorts division. With new ships and more synergy from the studio which is offsetting losses and the theme parks which have actually see an increase domestically.

Theme parks are the only reason Disney exists. Before the Renisance of movies starting with the LM the parks were keeping them afloat .
 

Nland316

Well-Known Member
TRON won't be coming to any of the American parks. It's a dead IP, so to ride it you'll have to get to Shanghai.
I know the reviews were mostly lackluster, but it did do extremely well in the box office when it came out back in 2010. I'm probably being biased since I myself would love a Tron attraction in Tomorrowland, but wouldn't that be enough to spark atleast SOME interest in the property? That, and didn't merchandise for that franchise sell pretty well when the movie was being promoted?
 

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