Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure

Old Mouseketeer

Old Mouseketeer

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Dobby The Free House Elf said:
At least that stick could fit in a square hole; Disney was being lazy when they gave DCA and WDS DHS's ToT; leaving out great qualities; Disney is being lazy here with choosing not to expand their California resort so they wouldn't have to cram Star Wars Land and Marvel land in the two other existing theme parks, and not learning their lesson about putting pandering or specific pegs in opposite holes in their parks; even Superstar Limo at least was relevant in Hollywood Pictures Backlot's dated theming.
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They weren't being "lazy" when they created DCA's ToT--they were being CHEAP. C-H-E-A-P, CHEAP!!!

While I would love to see TDS's ToT for its back story and show, the physical implementation of the ride system is still inferior to DHS.
 
Brad Bishop

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raven24 said:
Can we talk about Rhode's fake excitement and that mess of an ear?
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I was thinking the same thing on both counts. It felt like he was told by higher ups, "This is happening. People like you. You had better sell this!"

The ear is both creepy and leaves me with, "Why are you using your ear for a keychain?" As he talks there's so much extra movement on his ear that it's tough to stay focused on his face. You can say what you will with, "Well that's his style and he's artistic, etc., etc." That's fine. These are the thoughts that enter someone's head when you decide to do something like that, though.
 
Brad Bishop

Brad Bishop

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marni1971 said:
Has anyone asked yet how GotG fits into a park themed on California?

Dear. Oh dear.
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I think we're long past something fitting the theme. This line was crossed way back with Stitch in Tomorrowland. Then Monsters Laugh Factory and Buzz Light SpaceRanger Spin.

I don't think Star Wars Land belongs or works in DL. It seems like it'd be a better fit in DCA on the SE corner of their property but, again, that doesn't really fit with California Adventure. At least it'd be off to the side.

I think Cars Land (mainly RSR) is really cool but right there I thought, "Oh, this is the beginning of taking movies and making "lands" out of them... That breaks the theming and seems like it becomes really expensive with the movie is no longer popular."

Overall theming seems to be lost and, for the most part, it seems like the new style is: Cram it in (retread) where you can and make up some story to tie it into the theming, no matter how thin that logic is:
- Avatar is "nature" so it's in DAK
- Frozen is kind of Norway so that fits
- Star Wars Land - well people just want that so it fits in DL.
- Stitch was from outer space so that fits in Tomorrowland
- Buzz Lightyear looks space-like even though he's just a space toy - Obviously fits in Tomorrowland
- Monsters Laugh Factory is about generating electricity via laughter in some kind of parallel universe. Parallel universe fits in Tomorrowland!
- Nemo is a fish. That fits in Living Seas.
- GotG fits in the Hollywood section of DCA because they needed a Marvel property.

It's pretty amazing how Disney can come up with these lines and sell them and people buy it all hook, line, and sinker. I think you could put Woody and Buzz together in Frontierland at this point and people would excuse it. You could put GotG Main St. Experience in DL and people would say, "Yeah.. but if they do it really well..."

I think we're at a point where Disney has so diluted the themes, along with not adding a lot to the parks, that people will pretty much accept anything anywhere as long as it's something new/different.
 
Suchomimus

Suchomimus

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raven24 said:
Didn't you know? We have to stop whining about what fits the California theme and what doesn't.

:rolleyes:
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Gather round everyone, it appears we have a bigot who thinks of facts being beneath. That will 50 points from Disneyland.
 
Suchomimus

Suchomimus

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Brad Bishop said:
I think we're long past something fitting the theme. This line was crossed way back with Stitch in Tomorrowland. Then Monsters Laugh Factory and Buzz Light SpaceRanger Spin.

I don't think Star Wars Land belongs or works in DL. It seems like it'd be a better fit in DCA on the SE corner of their property but, again, that doesn't really fit with California Adventure. At least it'd be off to the side.

I think Cars Land (mainly RSR) is really cool but right there I thought, "Oh, this is the beginning of taking movies and making "lands" out of them... That breaks the theming and seems like it becomes really expensive with the movie is no longer popular."

Overall theming seems to be lost and, for the most part, it seems like the new style is: Cram it in (retread) where you can and make up some story to tie it into the theming, no matter how thin that logic is:
- Avatar is "nature" so it's in DAK
- Frozen is kind of Norway so that fits
- Star Wars Land - well people just want that so it fits in DL.
- Stitch was from outer space so that fits in Tomorrowland
- Buzz Lightyear looks space-like even though he's just a space toy - Obviously fits in Tomorrowland
- Monsters Laugh Factory is about generating electricity via laughter in some kind of parallel universe. Parallel universe fits in Tomorrowland!
- Nemo is a fish. That fits in Living Seas.
- GotG fits in the Hollywood section of DCA because they needed a Marvel property.

It's pretty amazing how Disney can come up with these lines and sell them and people buy it all hook, line, and sinker. I think you could put Woody and Buzz together in Frontierland at this point and people would excuse it. You could put GotG Main St. Experience in DL and people would say, "Yeah.. but if they do it really well..."

I think we're at a point where Disney has so diluted the themes, along with not adding a lot to the parks, that people will pretty much accept anything anywhere as long as it's something new/different.
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Brad Bishop said:
I think we're long past something fitting the theme. This line was crossed way back with Stitch in Tomorrowland. Then Monsters Laugh Factory and Buzz Light SpaceRanger Spin.

I don't think Star Wars Land belongs or works in DL. It seems like it'd be a better fit in DCA on the SE corner of their property but, again, that doesn't really fit with California Adventure. At least it'd be off to the side.

I think Cars Land (mainly RSR) is really cool but right there I thought, "Oh, this is the beginning of taking movies and making "lands" out of them... That breaks the theming and seems like it becomes really expensive with the movie is no longer popular."

Overall theming seems to be lost and, for the most part, it seems like the new style is: Cram it in (retread) where you can and make up some story to tie it into the theming, no matter how thin that logic is:
- Avatar is "nature" so it's in DAK
- Frozen is kind of Norway so that fits
- Star Wars Land - well people just want that so it fits in DL.
- Stitch was from outer space so that fits in Tomorrowland
- Buzz Lightyear looks space-like even though he's just a space toy - Obviously fits in Tomorrowland
- Monsters Laugh Factory is about generating electricity via laughter in some kind of parallel universe. Parallel universe fits in Tomorrowland!
- Nemo is a fish. That fits in Living Seas.
- GotG fits in the Hollywood section of DCA because they needed a Marvel property.

It's pretty amazing how Disney can come up with these lines and sell them and people buy it all hook, line, and sinker. I think you could put Woody and Buzz together in Frontierland at this point and people would excuse it. You could put GotG Main St. Experience in DL and people would say, "Yeah.. but if they do it really well..."

I think we're at a point where Disney has so diluted the themes, along with not adding a lot to the parks, that people will pretty much accept anything anywhere as long as it's something new/different.
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This barbaric, inexcusable, and lazy ideas Disney has spewed out has long over stayed its welcome the moment the idea came into that littleminded buffoon came up with it; and it's spread like wildfire to the minds of people who shouldn't have these thoughts.
 
VJ

VJ

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Old Mouseketeer said:
"IP disease"? Seriously?

What was the Sleeping Beauty walk-through that was shoe-horned into the attic at Disneyland? Hell, "Sleeping Beauty Castle" was built before the movie came out!

What about the Mouseketeers performing in the Disneyland opening special three months before their TV show premiered?

And then there was the set from Babes In Toyland moved/recreated in the Opera House and later re-purposed as the MMC HQ to support reruns of the then defunct MMC TV show.

Walt always preached Synergy: movies/TV/Disneyland/merchandise. Fantasyland was almost all IP. Frontierland had Davy Crockett. And later, Swiss Family Robinson? Matterhorn? Mike Fink Keel Boats? All Disney IPs (at least in those versions). Jungle Cruise was "borrowed" from The African Queen. And then there's space flight, pirates, and ghosts. Hardly original in an amusement park, but elevated to a level beyond anything ever imagined.

So now Disney has spent billions of dollars to acquire Lucasfilm and Marvel, and merged with Pixar (also a multi-billion-dollar deal) and you expect the company to just sit on those assets? I have no problem with critiquing bad execution of using those IP assets in the parks. Hell, I encourage it. But let's not be too precious about this.

Twilight Zone was a rented IP. It had nothing to do with Disney. No argument, the Florida version is superior, and TDS surpasses DCA and DLP using the same footprint/structure while losing the TZ theme. So can we stop all the "sky is falling" hand-wringing and recognize that Disney has some underutilized IPs that have audience appeal and they need to get their investment back? IMNSHO, this is far less egregious than Maelstrom/Frozen. Hell, I wish they would add Ratatouille to France at EPCOT, and Alice (either version) to UK.

Let's not pretend that there is any argument whatsoever that Disney can afford to ignore the IPs they own and, instead, focus on what are the most effective and creatively consistent ways to do utilize them. Sure, we all wish the DL third gate could have been Star Wars/Marvel. But that boat has sailed.

And can we PLEEEZE just drop the purity tests for DCA. Putting a California-centric theme park IN CALIFORNIA was dead on arrival from the start. Let's remember the original justification for planning Western River Expedition at WDW instead of Pirates. Since 75% of US visitors to Disneyland came from West of the Mississippi, it was posited that New Orleans Square and Pirates would not be a big draw because they were not exotic enough to East coast visitors to WDW. Remember, NOS was planned in the early years of the jet age. Then Card Walker freaked at the guest response to no pirates at WDW and rushed through Pirates-lite and we all know how that turned out. Disney (post-Pressler) has done its best to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse with DCA and I give them credit for biting the bullet and committing major bucks to do it. DCA 2.0 has exceeded my expectations. No, Carsland isn't IN California, but it has a backstory of COMING to CA that I can stomach, especially considering that Route 66 is part of my family's history. So movie-related IP is not that big a stretch for me, depending on quality results. YMMV.
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I agree fully.
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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Brad Bishop said:
I think we're long past something fitting the theme. This line was crossed way back with Stitch in Tomorrowland. Then Monsters Laugh Factory and Buzz Light SpaceRanger Spin.

I don't think Star Wars Land belongs or works in DL. It seems like it'd be a better fit in DCA on the SE corner of their property but, again, that doesn't really fit with California Adventure. At least it'd be off to the side.

I think Cars Land (mainly RSR) is really cool but right there I thought, "Oh, this is the beginning of taking movies and making "lands" out of them... That breaks the theming and seems like it becomes really expensive with the movie is no longer popular."

Overall theming seems to be lost and, for the most part, it seems like the new style is: Cram it in (retread) where you can and make up some story to tie it into the theming, no matter how thin that logic is:
- Avatar is "nature" so it's in DAK
- Frozen is kind of Norway so that fits
- Star Wars Land - well people just want that so it fits in DL.
- Stitch was from outer space so that fits in Tomorrowland
- Buzz Lightyear looks space-like even though he's just a space toy - Obviously fits in Tomorrowland
- Monsters Laugh Factory is about generating electricity via laughter in some kind of parallel universe. Parallel universe fits in Tomorrowland!
- Nemo is a fish. That fits in Living Seas.
- GotG fits in the Hollywood section of DCA because they needed a Marvel property.

It's pretty amazing how Disney can come up with these lines and sell them and people buy it all hook, line, and sinker. I think you could put Woody and Buzz together in Frontierland at this point and people would excuse it. You could put GotG Main St. Experience in DL and people would say, "Yeah.. but if they do it really well..."

I think we're at a point where Disney has so diluted the themes, along with not adding a lot to the parks, that people will pretty much accept anything anywhere as long as it's something new/different.
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This.
 
V

Variable

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Old Mouseketeer said:
I know I haven't established my bonifides here. I haven't volunteered the particulars of the depth and breadth of my Disney knowledge or my experience in this industry. So you are free to doubt me. However, I think my analyses can be judged on their own merits.

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I'll take your bonifides over hers any day.
 
SSG

SSG

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Variable said:
Why wait? Quit giving Disney any of your money right now.
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And that is exactly it. Talk of protests, e-mail campaigns, and avoiding the re-themed Tower aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit. The only thing that makes Disney change course on recent decisions that have some folks up in arms is a hit to the bottom line. So if you don’t like the Guardian Tower, cancel your next DLR trip, don’t take a Disney cruise, buy no Disney, Pixar, Star Wars or Marvel merch, and definitely avoid all the movies. If you have a AP, let it lapse and don’t set foot in the parks in the meantime.

How many will do that?

I’m pretty confident that the answer is ‘a negligible amount.’
 
George Lucas on a Bench

George Lucas on a Bench

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I can only assume that given the location of the new Frozen show in the middle of this eventual Marvel land that they are finally giving all you fans what you want: a Marvel/Frozen crossover.
 

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