Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind SPOILER Thread

[khlaylav]

Gringotts also got built and opened eight years ago. Fair to say prices for everything have changed over time.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Gringotts also got built and opened eight years ago. Fair to say prices for everything have changed over time.

Not nearly this much. Cosmic Rewind cost almost half a billion dollars.

So, my question to folks who don't think that's relevant... where do you think that money went?

 

[Hawg G]

Not nearly this much. Cosmic Rewind cost almost half a billion dollars.

So, my question to folks who don't think that's relevant... where do you think that money went?

Yeah, because the ride system and building had to be less than $100MM.

 

[MatthewWho13]

Not nearly this much. Cosmic Rewind cost almost half a billion dollars.

So, my question to folks who don't think that's relevant... where do you think that money went?

Honestly, gutting all of the old attraction working on a building that is over 40 years old probably had a lot of cost in the project. Knowing that they preserved certain things as well from the old attraction doesn't help add to it.

Then you have the cost of bringing it up to current code, building another giant building, design, materials, the time to build certain things time to build, cost of your construction labor, the cost of the teams working on it (say 10 core Imagineers salary for x amount of time on the project) it adds up fast.

 

[MatthewWho13]

Wasn't Joe Rohde the lead in Mission: Breakout? If so, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it's a better GotG attraction.

He was, and after going on both... I think Mission: Breakout uses the irreverent humor of the Guardians in a different way but fitting for what they did which for mission they had to lay on thick that it wasn't the "Tower of Terror" anymore.

For Cosmic Rewind the aesthetics play different for the park its in, Do I agree that it should be in Epcot... ehh but did I have fun on both.

Yes

 

[Casper Gutman]

He was, and after going on both... I think Mission: Breakout uses the irreverent humor of the Guardians in a different way but fitting for what they did which for mission they had to lay on thick that it wasn't the "Tower of Terror" anymore.

For Cosmic Rewind the aesthetics play different for the park its in, Do I agree that it should be in Epcot... ehh but did I have fun on both.

Yes

We all know GotG has no business being in EPCOT. Once they'd decided to put it there, altering the aesthetics to something that isn't recognizable to the IP in a lame attempt to "make it fit" is just needlessly compounding an existing error. They'd already disregarded EPCOTs "theme" (whatever that is anymore), they might as well have gone with an IP-appropriate aesthetic.

And regarding your above post, my understanding is that repurposing existing structures, as GotG (and Hagrid's) does, is a choice made to SAVE money. In any case, nothing you listed should have come anywhere close to half a billion dollars.

 

[ChrisM]

Not nearly this much. Cosmic Rewind cost almost half a billion dollars.

So, my question to folks who don't think that's relevant... where do you think that money went?

The only explanation is that the money was used to fund several actual flights to space for Imagineering boondoggles "research".

 

[ppete1975]

APers are notorious liars!!

well some seem to be more rose colored glasses that your normal guest, and the people who have any ties to disney either from youtube etc seem to always want to be really upbeat as to not get on the no freebies list.

 

[wdwmagic]

Here is our video of the full Cosmic rewind experience.

 

[MatthewWho13]

We all know GotG has no business being in EPCOT. Once they'd decided to put it there, altering the aesthetics to something that isn't recognizable to the IP in a lame attempt to "make it fit" is just needlessly compounding an existing error. They'd already disregarded EPCOTs "theme" (whatever that is anymore), they might as well have gone with an IP-appropriate aesthetic.

And regarding your above post, my understanding is that repurposing existing structures, as GotG (and Hagrid's) does, is a choice made to SAVE money. In any case, nothing you listed should have come anywhere close to half a billion dollars.

Okay let me take a small piece of the cost.

The main show building is 130 feet tall and is more than double that in width on two sides.

Say for fun it’s a perfect 130’ x 130’ on two sides and 130’ x 300’ on the wider sides.
That’s 111,800 square feet, and say it has two coats of paint made for metal work and fire retardant.

A gallon gets you 400 feet of coverage, 5 gallons of that paint is anywhere from $200- $500 so say we are around $350 for 5 gallons / $70 a gallon.

That’s 559 gallons so $39,130 in paint for the big building we all hate, just on the outside.

Trades painters for metal painting get $25-$35 an hour here, they also might have prevailing wage factors that make that higher.

Painting a average of 150 square feet a hour (also on boom lifts etc) that’s 745 hours x say $30 a hour and there’s another 22k.

So for the outside with no issues to paint it’s $61,130 let’s paint the inside now it’s $122K

The project as a whole has costs like that in it.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Okay let me take a small piece of the cost.

The main show building is 130 feet tall and is more than double that in width on two sides.

Say for fun it’s a perfect 130’ x 130’ on two sides and 130’ x 300’ on the wider sides.
That’s 111,800 square feet, and say it has two coats of paint made for metal work and fire retardant.

A gallon gets you 400 feet of coverage, 5 gallons of that paint is anywhere from $200- $500 so say we are around $350 for 5 gallons / $70 a gallon.

That’s 559 gallons so $39,130 in paint for the big building we all hate, just on the outside.

Trades painters for metal painting get $25-$35 an hour here, they also might have prevailing wage factors that make that higher.

Painting a average of 150 square feet a hour (also on boom lifts etc) that’s 745 hours x say $30 a hour and there’s another 22k.

So for the outside with no issues to paint it’s $61,130 let’s paint the inside now it’s $122K

The project as a whole has costs like that in it.

Bobby Chapek loves paint and stickers...

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Okay let me take a small piece of the cost.

The main show building is 130 feet tall and is more than double that in width on two sides.

Say for fun it’s a perfect 130’ x 130’ on two sides and 130’ x 300’ on the wider sides.
That’s 111,800 square feet, and say it has two coats of paint made for metal work and fire retardant.

A gallon gets you 400 feet of coverage, 5 gallons of that paint is anywhere from $200- $500 so say we are around $350 for 5 gallons / $70 a gallon.

That’s 559 gallons so $39,130 in paint for the big building we all hate, just on the outside.

Trades painters for metal painting get $25-$35 an hour here, they also might have prevailing wage factors that make that higher.

Painting a average of 150 square feet a hour (also on boom lifts etc) that’s 745 hours x say $30 a hour and there’s another 22k.

So for the outside with no issues to paint it’s $61,130 let’s paint the inside now it’s $122K

The project as a whole has costs like that in it.

Just some quick math - $122,000 is 0.0271111% of $450 million.

So, while I think your calculation on this is valid and possibly accurate, that it represents such a miniscule fraction of the final cost sort of draws into clearer focus how out of control costs have to be for the rest of the project as built to make up another 449,878,000 Dollars.

 

[Texas84]

Where are they going to have cake toast?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Where are they going to have cake toast?

It'll be at the new Xandar Festival Booth near the Intergalactic Gateway.

 

[MatthewWho13]

Just some quick math - $122,000 is 0.0271111% of $450 million.

So, while I think your calculation on this is valid and possibly accurate, that it represents such a miniscule fraction of the final cost sort of draws into clearer focus how out of control costs have to be for the rest of the project as built to make up another 449,878,000 Dollars.

Ohh I know its a small thing, but It's one of those things that when you think about it you don't actually think about that.
Stupid things like things like that, permits (they have to permit with Orange County and Reddy Creek so they get double dinged and from experience with RCID permitting its pricey).

Other things not necessarily thought of like crane rentals, got one of those that's $20,000 a month without a operator. 5K Lull $1000 a week, Site Modular office trailers cost a good amount, Portable restrooms say 10 serviced a few times a week for a couple years there's an easy 33K.

I'm sure the actors get some compensation in perpetuity and Kevin Feige probably has it in his contract to get $ as well...

Basically, the cost being tossed around is to say "look its expensive it must be great" but in reality that's the cost of every bit of scope of the project and not just the ride experience itself and or tech involved.

*edited to expand on items

 

[MisterPenguin]

well some seem to be more rose colored glasses that your normal guest, and the people who have any ties to disney either from youtube etc seem to always want to be really upbeat as to not get on the no freebies list.

APers pay less per visit than those who buy day tickets. If you think a sunk-cost ad hominem would disqualify anyone's opinion, it would be the day-guests'.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Where are they going to have cake toast?

Toasted pound cake with chocolate chips and a scoop of ice cream is delish!

 

[James Alucobond]

It'll be at the new Xandar Festival Booth near the Intergalactic Gateway.

Might actually be preferable to the Donut Box.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Ohh I know its a small thing, but It's one of those things that when you think about it you don't actually think about that.
Stupid things like things like that, permits (they have to permit with Orange County and Reddy Creek so they get double dinged and from experience with RCID permitting its pricey).

Other things not necessarily thought of like crane rentals, got one of those that's $20,000 a month without a operator. 5K Lull $1000 a week, Site Modular office trailers cost a good amount, Portable restrooms say 10 serviced a few times a week for a couple years there's an easy 33K.

I'm sure the actors get some compensation in perpetuity and Kevin Feige probably has it in his contract to get $ as well...

Basically, the cost being tossed around is to say "look its expensive it must be great" but in reality that's the cost of every bit of scope of the project and not just the ride experience itself and or tech involved.

*edited to expand on items

Yes, there are a lot of little items. We know that. But the same little items (plus other, unique ones) were present for much, much cheaper rides like EE, Splash, Gringotts, Hagrids...

 

[MatthewWho13]

Yes, there are a lot of little items. We know that. But the same little items (plus other, unique ones) were present for much, much cheaper rides like EE, Splash, Gringotts, Hagrids...

I agree on the cost being High, If Disneyland's splash was built in todays dollars that would be roughly a $190 million dollar build... even with stealing animatronics from America Sings.