TrainsOfDisney
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By “these things” do you mean original Epcot style attractions? Because there is usually a steady and healthy line at both Spaceship Earth and Living with the Land.
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News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot
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yensidtlaw1969
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You're not entitled to my thoughts. You get what I choose to give you.
Maybe consider why I didn't answer your question. The reason is there if you read between the lines.
So an airplane having vomit bags in every seatback is the same as a roller coaster handing out vomit bags to those who may need one after riding. The mental gymnastics required with that line of “thinking” is astounding.
Do you need a ssholder to cry on??
trainplane3
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Dear god, they just keep stuffing "passholder" onto otherwise nice looking merch. Why do they insist on ruining decent designs with that?
But then again, it was obviously rushed because it wouldn't say *ssholder if they actually reviewed it prior to release. I love how backwards merchandise is handled.
doctornick
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Regarding the nausea issue...
I think the main point I and some others have is how some on this thread are (IMHO) blowing the issue out of proportion. I'm not saying it's not "a thing". And it certainly seems to be something more common than Disney expected. However, on the flip side some posters seem to be describing it as something that invalidates the entire ride or suggests it is so egregious that the whole setup needs to be scrapped and start over. I do think it is telling that the same posters seeming to focus on this have a significant overlap with those who have complained about the ride all along (and to be fair vice versa those who defend or minimize it seem to have been consistent defenders). IOW I think there's a lot of confirmation bias going on.
The big question is "how common of a problem is it?" - I don't think we can really answer it at this point. Heck Disney themselves might not really be able to tell though they obviously have better info than us silly message board posters. Eventually information will leak out among the usual sources and we will see how frequent protein spills occur or how much complaints they get. I agree that the barf bags are concerning, but the fact that they appeared opening day makes me feel like they are more of a precaution than an necessity - like this is Disney's way of "covering their butts" to soften any complaints. They know its new ride and they want all the coverage to be positive, so they at least want to try to "nip in the bud" any negative press of Disney isn't doing anything regarding riders getting nauseous.
My gut feeling (ha!) is that as the more people experience the ride, you'll get self selection and a better word of mouth about who can ride and not. And I personally believe that the number of people who can ride roller coasters (Everest/Space/RNR level) but will avoid this will be relatively small. I am skeptical that this is a M:S situation and more akin to Simpsons. But I can stand corrected once more info and experience comes out. I expect Disney's reaction to this to be most likely having some extra warnings at the entrance to the ride as opposed to actually changing anything with how the ride operates.
Finally, the idea that Disney should have anticipated this more seems extremely odd. I'm not sure how they can really tell what will happen with large numbers of different people until they at least have soft openings. Riding an out in the air prototype doesn't tell much about the specifics of this situation. And I would expect that it is uncommon enough that the relatively small number of testers that would have ridden pre softs wouldn't be able to be a significant enough sample size.
In an idea world to me, perhaps Disney will be fine with GotG but feel that Epcot needs a lower intensity more welcoming thrill ride as well to compliment CR and will finally build a Matterhorn-esque Mt. Fuji coater in Japan. Just dreaming....
I think the main point I and some others have is how some on this thread are (IMHO) blowing the issue out of proportion. I'm not saying it's not "a thing". And it certainly seems to be something more common than Disney expected. However, on the flip side some posters seem to be describing it as something that invalidates the entire ride or suggests it is so egregious that the whole setup needs to be scrapped and start over. I do think it is telling that the same posters seeming to focus on this have a significant overlap with those who have complained about the ride all along (and to be fair vice versa those who defend or minimize it seem to have been consistent defenders). IOW I think there's a lot of confirmation bias going on.
The big question is "how common of a problem is it?" - I don't think we can really answer it at this point. Heck Disney themselves might not really be able to tell though they obviously have better info than us silly message board posters. Eventually information will leak out among the usual sources and we will see how frequent protein spills occur or how much complaints they get. I agree that the barf bags are concerning, but the fact that they appeared opening day makes me feel like they are more of a precaution than an necessity - like this is Disney's way of "covering their butts" to soften any complaints. They know its new ride and they want all the coverage to be positive, so they at least want to try to "nip in the bud" any negative press of Disney isn't doing anything regarding riders getting nauseous.
My gut feeling (ha!) is that as the more people experience the ride, you'll get self selection and a better word of mouth about who can ride and not. And I personally believe that the number of people who can ride roller coasters (Everest/Space/RNR level) but will avoid this will be relatively small. I am skeptical that this is a M:S situation and more akin to Simpsons. But I can stand corrected once more info and experience comes out. I expect Disney's reaction to this to be most likely having some extra warnings at the entrance to the ride as opposed to actually changing anything with how the ride operates.
Finally, the idea that Disney should have anticipated this more seems extremely odd. I'm not sure how they can really tell what will happen with large numbers of different people until they at least have soft openings. Riding an out in the air prototype doesn't tell much about the specifics of this situation. And I would expect that it is uncommon enough that the relatively small number of testers that would have ridden pre softs wouldn't be able to be a significant enough sample size.
In an idea world to me, perhaps Disney will be fine with GotG but feel that Epcot needs a lower intensity more welcoming thrill ride as well to compliment CR and will finally build a Matterhorn-esque Mt. Fuji coater in Japan. Just dreaming....
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mergatroid
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What an excellent post.
Casper Gutman
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Do you believe that this website, WDWMagic, is blowing things out of proportion? Because that's where the story to which everyone is responding appeared. The disingenuous game being played here is that most of the defenders (actually, from what I've seen, all of the defenders on the last few pages) are ignoring that story AND are ignoring the first hand reports of nausea on this page and on the spoilers page. Instead, defenders are acting as though this issue is being created or, at least, wildly exaggerated by the usual, negative posters, because it is easier to just delegitimize certain critics and label them as hopelessly biased then to engage with the issue. Its a very familiar but not particularly honest way of trying to avoid dealing with an uncomfortable fact.
We have quite a strong idea of how big a problem this is. They are not taking the exceptional steps of handing out vomit bags because this isn't a problem. The fact that the bags appeared on opening day is indicative of nothing except that the ride makes an unusual number of people ill. Disney has run extensive tests on this ride - we know all about that from this website - and has a very clear idea of what percentage of guests are becoming sick. Just in our relatively small sample size of reactions, we have a disproportionate number of reports of nausea. Anyone denying the problem at this point is going to continue to deny the problem despite any additional evidence.
And the idea that Disney couldn't have anticipated this is absurd. The human body reacts in certain ways to certain situations. There are volumes of literature on motion sickness and its causes. What's more, Disney itself had produced one of the most sickening theme park rides of all time, Mission: Space. Even without any research, the designers should have realized that replicating many of the conditions of that ride might also replicate the negative effects on the human body. To pretend Disney couldn't have foreseen a problem is to take the defense of Disney to incredibly silly lengths.
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doctornick
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Can I just thank you for offering a reasonable reaction to the situation as opposed to crazy hyperbole?
doctornick
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Yeah, so one of the things that has perplexed me about this is that you have folks who say they get nauseous on other rides say they do fine on CR and others who don't otherwise have problems on rides say they got sick. It seems to be a bit scattered. Although they are related, I tend to thing people who get nauseous on rides seem to fall into the broad categories of being bothered by the motion itself (something like teacups or maybe Forbidden Journey) versus those who have issues with videos and corresponding motion and how your eyes/mind/body reacts to them (people who don't tolerate Simpsons or FoP). I think M:S perhaps has an element of both but probably moreso the former given that you are physically spinning quickly in a circle.
GOTG:CR has elements of both in the the vehicles turn but also that the direction you are facing and video screens not necessarily being the direction you are moving. Also there's the issue of not seeing the track ahead so you can't anticipate the movement. So perhaps kinda unique among theme parks?
I guess what I'm getting at is I wonder if it is even possible to come up with a guideline like "if you tolerate x, you'd be fine with Cosmic Rewind" or "people who get sick on y tend to not do well with Cosmic Rewind".
lazyboy97o
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How is it odd? Anyone working in ride development should know that moving people in one direct while focusing them in another direction creates disorientation and is a recipe for motion sickness. This isn’t some weird new phenomenon, it’s the basics of moving people around. It’s something every ride design intern should know.
doctornick
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Of course Disney would know and anticipate that some people would get motion sickness. We all knew before this opened that there would be some number of riders that would have issues (or guests that would just avoid it altogether). I'm saying that it would have been difficult to anticipate the percentage of people who would be affected or exactly who would be sensitive to this particular ride as it is seemingly somewhat unique. It sounds like the issues are greater than what they anticipated not that nothing was expected at all.
In fact, as I just was mentioning in my last post, there doesn't seem to be a consistent association of nausea with CR corresponding with other rides. If anyone has seen a pattern I think it would be helpful for folks to know it.
mergatroid
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I can see Disney addressing this with stronger warnings if they deem them necessary. There's no doubt that some people have become sick from riding. You or I aren't dismissing it but I genuinely have no idea how many times we have to admit people have been sick or what we are supposed to say to satisfy some on here? You've not denied sickness issues exist, you've addressed the issue and debated from your perspective and yet because you're opinion differs there's some who want to continue attacking you.
lazyboy97o
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Every single ride causes some number of people to become motion sick. The lack of a pattern is meaningless because it doesn’t exist strongly for other rides. Different people react differently. This ride does something that is specifically known to cause issues with a wide variety of people.
doctornick
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My expectation about what Disney will do is along the same vein - probably change/increase warnings in front of the ride (or in the preshow), maybe some disclaimer on the website description on the ride. Probably some conservative elements like adding water fountains to soon after disembarking as was suggested. At this point, I'm skeptical that Disney will make any dramatic changes to the ride or view the ride as unsuccessful though.
lazyboy97o
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Running new water supply and sewer lines in a built building would be nowhere near conservative. It would be drastic. This is exactly what is meant by downplaying.
Joesixtoe
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No matter where the coaster car was facing, I turned to look at the track(besides in reverse lol) to show myself the direction I was actually going. I get the hesitation, cause I'm hesitant on doing it again, even though I was pretty ok riding it.
TrainsOfDisney
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Are the screens moving at all? The only attraction that I have trouble on is Harry Potter because the screens and the vehicle don’t move 100% together. I’m fine with rides like spider man and transformers.
I’ll definitely give it a go, just might only ride it once.
I’ll definitely give it a go, just might only ride it once.