Incomudro
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Because real aircraft are made as light as possible so that they can fly.
This isn't a real aircraft, and it has to be built like a tank not only to endure the weather outside - but also to keep itself together.
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This isn't a real aircraft, and it has to be built like a tank not only to endure the weather outside - but also to keep itself together.
Just stop.
Incomudro
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The truth hurts, doesn't it?
Then you’re in an immense amount of pain. You’ve been shown up multiple times by structural engineers who know what they are talking about. So you can keep regurgitating the same wrong lines if you’d like, you still will not be correct.
donsullivan
Premium Member
Their building code requires all structures to withstand minimum wind loads in the event a hurricane or tornado should hit the property. This requires that many things be much beefier than you might expect to meet those requirements.
UNCgolf
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I'm aware of that, but it's still unlikely it would need to weigh what an actual airplane weighs, much less actually weigh more (which was the original stated point). Even light fighter jets weigh around 10,000 pounds without any fuel, armaments, etc. -- if the cockpit of this spaceship was 2,000 pounds, and each of the fins was 1,000 (I can't envision them weighing that much, but for argument's sake), that still just puts it on par with the lightest fighter jets. It's hard to imagine it weighing more than that.
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lazyboy97o
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This is not built like a tank. It is a prop.
What is the difference between the ultimate wind load prescribed by the EPCOT Building Code and adjacent unincorporated Orange County?
Cesar R M
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Good thing these ships almost never fight inside atmospheres
Being serious, why the hell people are bickering about the WEIGHT of a made up statue of a non existent fantasy starship?
In the other hand, I'm wondering why they didn't use its own "legs" as a base instead of that gigantic metal frame on the bottom.
UNCgolf
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This is why, actually. Someone was arguing that they had to build the huge base to hold it up because it's heavier than airplanes.
No idea what the EPCOT code would be (or if it is even being used anymore), but the current FBC has that area at a 3 second gust speed between 129-149 mph depending on if they are classifying it as a type 1, 2, 3 or 4 structure.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
Yup, but I always imagined they could reinforce these to have very strong metal frames inside.
4 legs with reinforced metal.. but yeaaah. I can imagine a cat 5 hitting straight....
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
I know you know, but you also don’t think a more elegant stand defies the laws of physics. EPCOT Building Code 904.2(a) prescribes those exact same speeds, so our answer is 0 mph. There is nothing about the Disney codes that requires more.
Despite popular myth, Walt Disney World is not designed to withstand a direct hit from a Category 5 hurricane. Walt Disney World would possibly do better than some surrounding areas due to the size of the facilities and therefore being considered a higher risk category, but not because of any big extra requirements. Walt Disney World and Universal Orlando Resort would probably fair about the same.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Would the column alone even have to withstand category 5 hurricane winds if it was required?
They could have easily designed attach points for a couple removable poles from the wings to the ground in the rare hurricane event?
I have argued the column size is probably due to the wind myself but the column really just needs to be built for normal weather conditions, hurricanes have enough advance warning that it could easily be modified with tie downs and temporary supports to survive the worst.
yensidtlaw1969
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Tell us you've never designed anything for a themed environment without telling us you've never designed anything for a themed environment . . .
. . . Your guesswork is WAY off base, and your indignance isn't a good look.
Just a guess here, but pretty sure this is classified as a sign and would fall under the the wind code for "signage" even without any words or such...yet.
Casper Gutman
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This is the Horizons sinkhole all over again.
How about this - if (in a non-existent hypothetical) regulations dictate the only way you can display your very prominent prop is on a horribly chunky mount that overwhelms the prop and fails to match its theming, you BUILD SOMETHING ELSE.
How about this - if (in a non-existent hypothetical) regulations dictate the only way you can display your very prominent prop is on a horribly chunky mount that overwhelms the prop and fails to match its theming, you BUILD SOMETHING ELSE.
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
Ridiculous. I literally launched a rocket next door, flew around the world, and landed during a hurricane.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Even an afternoon thunderstorm can come with strong gusts of wind. Even with a hurricane where you know generally where they are headed they still make last minute turns and changes in strength.