News Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind attraction confirmed for Epcot

[Casper Gutman]

Please note that the following is based on nothing but personal impressions.

Man, this - and several of the new attractions being built at WDW - feel oddly panicked, as though someone had told an executive out of the blue that he needed to come up with three or four new rides in twenty minutes and he frantically went through a list of rides in other parks and popular IPs. Rides like GotG and Tron don’t fit in a way that goes even deeper then thematic clashes.

Again, I don’t think this is what actually happened, it’s just a sense I get from the projects.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Please note that the following is based on nothing but personal impressions.

Man, this - and several of the new attractions being built at WDW - feel oddly panicked, as though someone had told an executive out of the blue that he needed to come up with three or four new rides in twenty minutes and he frantically went through a list of rides in other parks and popular IPs. Rides like GotG and Tron don’t fit in a way that goes even deeper then thematic clashes.

Again, I don’t think this is what actually happened, it’s just a sense I get from the projects.

I get more of a "oh crap Uni's building 2 parks what do we do?" Kinda vibe

 

[Sorcerer Mickey]

Please note that the following is based on nothing but personal impressions.

Man, this - and several of the new attractions being built at WDW - feel oddly panicked, as though someone had told an executive out of the blue that he needed to come up with three or four new rides in twenty minutes and he frantically went through a list of rides in other parks and popular IPs. Rides like GotG and Tron don’t fit in a way that goes even deeper then thematic clashes.

Again, I don’t think this is what actually happened, it’s just a sense I get from the projects.

Tron isn't even a popular IP. The last installment was released eight years ago and its box office returns were seen as a disappointment. I would've much preferred to save the money on a new ride and retheme Tomorrowland to Discovery Land.

 

[mikejs78]

I get more of a "oh crap Uni's building 2 parks what do we do?" Kinda vibe

More like "oh crap, we need shiny new things in the other parks to draw some crowds away from Galaxy's Edge.."

 

[Casper Gutman]

Tron isn't even a popular IP. The last installment was released eight years ago and its box office returns were seen as a disappointment. I would've much preferred to save the money on a new ride and retheme Tomorrowland to Discovery Land.

Yes, despite the giant GoG box, Tron remains the most puzzling addition. Heck, why not slap a Wreck it Ralph overlay on the existing Tron design - you can keep most of the light effects and use a more current IP.

My impression was that imagineering always has a few dozen (or more) spare concepts floating around - surely some of those could have been quickly made to fit.

 

[SuperStretccch]

Yes, despite the giant GoG box, Tron remains the most puzzling addition. Heck, why not slap a Wreck it Ralph overlay on the existing Tron design - you can keep most of the light effects and use a more current IP.

My impression was that imagineering always has a few dozen (or more) spare concepts floating around - surely some of those could have been quickly made to fit.

I don't think it's more puzzling, because Tron actually fits well and makes sense for Tomorrowland, regardless of its popularity. GotG, on the other hand, has absolutely no right to be in Epcot, no matter how much they try to convince that it's a good idea. And they're forcing it even more now with the dance party.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don't think it's more puzzling, because Tron actually fits well and makes sense for Tomorrowland, regardless of its popularity. GotG, on the other hand, has absolutely no right to be in Epcot, no matter how much they try to convince that it's a good idea. And they're forcing it even more now with the dance party.

I can certainly understand that position, but for me, EPCOT is already such a thematic shambles that GoG is just another part of a long, sad decline - and at least it’s a hot IP.

Tron, though it nominally fits the “future” theme is a) a pronounced aesthetic clash with the rest of the land b) being built directly next to a very similar attraction c) the third roller coaster WDW is building right now d) one of two “futuristic coasters in the dark with light effects” they are building right now in addition to the two coasters in the dark with light effects they already have e) based on a dead IP with a relatively limited nostalgia factor and f) adding a second naked coaster section (after Goofy) to a park that shouldn’t have any. Any one of those should have been enough to put the kibosh on the ride.

 

[Princess Leia]

Tron, though it nominally fits the “future” theme is a) a pronounced aesthetic clash with the rest of the land

I believe Martin has said that Tomorrowland and Tron will have the same aesthetics (at least in appearance). It should really help when the Indy 500 is updated.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Yes, despite the giant GoG box, Tron remains the most puzzling addition. Heck, why not slap a Wreck it Ralph overlay on the existing Tron design - you can keep most of the light effects and use a more current IP.

My impression was that imagineering always has a few dozen (or more) spare concepts floating around - surely some of those could have been quickly made to fit.

I think it's as simple as the fact that it's cheaper to clone an attraction than spend the extra money on re-theming. To me, the Tron clone would seem the most logical addition in the world to WDW execs who suddenly realise they need new attractions asap and are also trying to figure out how to revitalise Tomorrowland.

As far as the theme is concerned, I don't see any problem with Tron in TL. I like it a lot better than, say, Wreck it Ralph. The only weird thing is that they're putting a new indoor rollercoaster in the dark right next to an existing indoor rollercoaster in the dark.

 

[smile]

Tron

photochop plop-job didn't help matters much

EPCOT is already such a thematic shambles.

i've considered epcot code red - not quite blue - for some time now...
it's not even relative to some past incarnation, far as i'm concerned; epcot is a limping husk of a theme park at present, whose now deep-seeded, self-inflicted issues fester due to lack of will on multiple fronts

perhaps poor performance will raise an eyebrow, but our beloved park desperately needs a champion (worthiness becoming increasingly optional)

approaches since the ol chap claimed overhaul consider it wise smothering a fractured tibia with guaze and morphine

aloof, deficient, misguided

 

[Casper Gutman]

I believe Martin has said that Tomorrowland and Tron will have the same aesthetics (at least in appearance). It should really help when the Indy 500 is updated.

My understanding is that Tron and the updated Indy will share an aesthetic, but that will clash with the feel of the rest of the land. The bulk of TL is 1920s Buck-Rogers-esque and has its share of sharp corners - Tron is smooth, swooping 21st century Apple iFuture. Marni and other insiders certainly know a huge amount more than me, but I’m not sure what an entire TL based on the Tron structure would look like and I’m not sure I want to find out.

On a side note, I really want Indy gone - it takes up so much room for a standard amusement park ride, and on an irrational level, it’s frustrating that that big nothing of an attraction survives while Toad, Snow, and so many other great attractions are ripped out willy-nilly.

 

[Casper Gutman]

photochop plop-job didn't help matters much



i've considered epcot code red - not quite blue - for some time now...
it's not even relative to some past incarnation, far as i'm concerned; epcot is a limping husk of a theme park at present, whose now deep-seeded, self-inflicted issues fester due to lack of will on multiple fronts

perhaps poor performance will raise an eyebrow, but our beloved park desperately needs a champion (worthiness becoming increasingly optional)

approaches since the ol chap claimed overhaul consider it wise smothering a fractured tibia with guaze and morphine

aloof, deficient, misguided

Yup. EPCOT needs a theme. Any theme. Edutainment is probably dead forever, but it needs something, anything.

WDW execs need to sit down with a big list of IPs and a chart of all the parks and decide what belongs where and then stick to that plan. If IPs are the only future, let’s at least have coherence.

 

[justintheharris]

I get more of a "oh crap Uni's building 2 parks what do we do?" Kinda vibe

Don’t forget the “oh no Universal is now at 25% of the market share we fell below 70% for the first time! Maybe people are tired of us retheming rides rather than building new ones from scratch like Universal?...”
Let’s face it, after 2021, Disney will go right back to retheming rides and claiming they’re “new rides” and the first rides on the kill list are Dinosaur, Rockin Rollercoaster and Star Tours.

 

[marni1971]

My understanding is that Tron and the updated Indy will share an aesthetic, but that will clash with the feel of the rest of the land. The bulk of TL is 1920s Buck-Rogers-esque and has its share of sharp corners - Tron is smooth, swooping 21st century Apple iFuture. Marni and other insiders certainly know a huge amount more than me, but I’m not sure what an entire TL based on the Tron structure would look like and I’m not sure I want to find out..

Think of a land that’s very Tron around the new ride, and further out blends more to something resembling the land circa 1975 as opposed to 1994.

 

[Mike S]

Think of a land that’s very Tron around the new ride, and further out blends more to something resembling the land circa 1975 as opposed to 1994.

I really don’t see a downside to this situation at all.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Think of a land that’s very Tron around the new ride, and further out blends more to something resembling the land circa 1975 as opposed to 1994.

That sounds like an upgrade

 

[imarc]

So when all is said and done it'll be Tomorrowsland?

 

[MisterPenguin]

So when all is said and done it'll be Tomorrowsland?

That'll be shorthand for it's full name:

Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow Land

The theme will be Shakespearean ennui. There will be a To Beat or Not To Beat dance party that will feature Walking Shadows strutting and fretting. Dark rides will be dark thanks to brief candles going out; and they'll be more than book reports, they will be tales as told by an idiot with sounds and fury which, in the end, thanks to dusty death, signify nothing.

The kids will love it!

 

[Lensman]

I think it's as simple as the fact that it's cheaper to clone an attraction than spend the extra money on re-theming. To me, the Tron clone would seem the most logical addition in the world to WDW execs who suddenly realise they need new attractions asap and are also trying to figure out how to revitalise Tomorrowland.

Sadly agree with you. I can't help but feel that Tron would fit slightly better than GotG in Future World. I think it's because Tron is fantasy storytelling to current/near future tech vs Guardians which has little or no grounding in reality.

As far as the theme is concerned, I don't see any problem with Tron in TL. I like it a lot better than, say, Wreck it Ralph. The only weird thing is that they're putting a new indoor rollercoaster in the dark right next to an existing indoor rollercoaster in the dark.

Agree

My understanding is that Tron and the updated Indy will share an aesthetic, but that will clash with the feel of the rest of the land. The bulk of TL is 1920s Buck-Rogers-esque and has its share of sharp corners - Tron is smooth, swooping 21st century Apple iFuture. Marni and other insiders certainly know a huge amount more than me, but I’m not sure what an entire TL based on the Tron structure would look like and I’m not sure I want to find out.

I'd guess that it's part of a sequenced redo of the aesthetic of Tomorrowland. I don't think they'll do it all at once but rather building by building.

Yup. EPCOT needs a theme. Any theme. Edutainment is probably dead forever, but it needs something, anything.

Sadly true, though I really love edutainment.

Here's to hoping that experience from their studios arm demonstrates the value of longer themes and story arcs adding to the value of individual movies/attractions. I think it's positive that they've added Cars, Toy Story and Star Wars as cohesive lands instead of merely individual attractions.

It is a bit of a stretch, but one could imagine that it would be more acceptable to turn the entirety of Future World into GuardiansLand than to have a mishmash of IP and no-IP attractions in Future World. Hmm. Or maybe it would just be sufficient to turn Future World into Future Worlds?

 

[marni1971]

So when all is said and done it'll be Tomorrowsland?

Not saying yes, but everything I’ve seen so far says Tomorrowland.