Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

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CDavid

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the energy pavilion as a whole just hurts to look at; it's a big part of the ongoing TGIF synergy between abc and the parks ("full house" and "roseanne" episodes, the drew carey mgm show, and the "boy meets world" roller coaster all come to mind) and that has not held up at all in the last 20 years. it's a real testament to disney's wanting to take risks when that awful ride has been sitting there for so long. future world, indeed. more like "past world," am i right? folks? folks??

None of which is any excuse for replacing Universe of Energy with a new attraction which is completely and thematically inappropriate for Future World and Epcot. You wouldn't place Space Mountain in Frontierland or Kilimanjaro Safaris in Liberty Square; Neither should Guardians of the Galaxy find a home at Epcot.

Just because Epcot begs attention (following years of benign neglect) doesn't mean you can stick just anything in there to fill a void. This is a arguably a bigger mistake than Frozen in World Showcase.

If only Disney had a theme park which was dedicated to movies and cinema.....
 

Bocabear

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None of which is any excuse for replacing Universe of Energy with a new attraction which is completely and thematically inappropriate for Future World and Epcot. You wouldn't place Space Mountain in Frontierland or Kilimanjaro Safaris in Liberty Square; Neither should Guardians of the Galaxy find a home at Epcot.

Just because Epcot begs attention (following years of benign neglect) doesn't mean you can stick just anything in there to fill a void. This is a arguably a bigger mistake than Frozen in World Showcase.

If only Disney had a theme park which was dedicated to movies and cinema.....
This!
 

Phil12

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We won't be taking a farewell ride on Stitch when the day comes, though!
You won't have to because Stitch will TP the castle again!
Cinderella-Castle-Stitch_mickeyextreme.jpg
 

Lillies

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Reading through this, I hope that it does come true! Guardians is personally my favourite Marvel movie, and I think a ride based on it would be great! There's so much they could do with it. :) I agree with Epcot getting some love too, I really enjoyed the park when we visited.
 

Phil12

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Opening day celebration. Something I hope to forget.
The most hilarious part was how some people became so indignant about the event. A few people were so angry it was as if Disney was calling into question their religious beliefs. At first I thought Disney had hired actors to pose as tourists to openly display their displeasure and vexation. But when I overheard some of these people using very distasteful swear words and making threats towards CM's, I realized that these people were not Disney shills.
 

lazyboy97o

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I see what's happening. The old Epcot fans want future world-or all of Epcot-to have no IP's in sight. They favor a park that is strictly about learning (or in some aspect about learning something) while the new Epcot fans want to see something better and brand new to the parks, that not only brings new life to this aging permanent worlds fair, but completely brings in a new generation of fans. Trust me, people do not go to Epcot to ride an attraction that teaches you about GMO's.
How can people be fans of something they do not like?
 

RoysCabin

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I see what's happening. The old Epcot fans want future world-or all of Epcot-to have no IP's in sight. They favor a park that is strictly about learning (or in some aspect about learning something) while the new Epcot fans want to see something better and brand new to the parks, that not only brings new life to this aging permanent worlds fair, but completely brings in a new generation of fans. Trust me, people do not go to Epcot to ride an attraction that teaches you about GMO's.

How is this necessarily "better"? Highly subjective term, no?

I think what most people want is something that keeps with the original spirit of EPCOT without being stuck in the past with regards to technology and outlooks (e.g. no more acting like, say, solar power is some mind-boggling new thing), a park that's able to evolve as new information is learned, but also a park that isn't afraid to have some attractions that could be considered timeless the way that Pirates or Haunted Mansion are considered timeless (e.g. what the original Journey Into Imagination could have been). You have an entire resort that's "twice the size of Manhattan", which should open up opportunities for parks and attractions that are extremely unique, experiences and concepts you can't find anywhere else, but what it feels like we're watching at the moment is a movement toward homogenization, as if simple IP overlays can make up for a ride not having anything truly unique about it or a larger concept and presentation beyond "here are those characters you like". It isn't even as if IP overlays can't work, but previous and current work in this area simply hasn't been very encouraging to a lot of folks.

Beyond that, it isn't really as if the new IPs are going to draw in an enormous amount of fans; most of the fans who would be drawn in by a princess movie, by Marvel, by Star Wars, etc., are already there. Yes, you'd see long lines for awhile on a new attraction taking advantage of those overlays, but again, in a resort with so much space, why default on that, particularly when the law of diminishing returns sets in (e.g. what's happened over at The Seas, where waits are back down to next to nothing)? Why not do something nobody else is doing, and use the gift of space and size to craft experiences that can appeal to different segments of your prospective audience? You have plenty of space in the Magic Kingdom and the entirety of the soon to be updated DHS for a lot of that, so why is it necessary in EPCOT when the EPCOT concept itself can be a great selling point with the right kind of emphasis? If the answer is "because people want Potter", then I think it's kind of sad if the company is willing to play catch-up with Universal, and I think it's a bit short-sighted given that Harry Potter has a very unique fandom that lends itself to themed space that a lot of other properties don't necessarily have, so attempts to replicate it aren't often going to work that well.

If people were saying "bring back Horizons and keep all the cheesy 80s color pastiches and facial hair" with 100% earnestness, I'd agree that nostalgia was playing too big a role, but wanting to hold onto the founding concept of a park that had a lot of drawing power when it wasn't being neglected doesn't sound like some rose-tinted bifocal ranting to me.
 

Mike S

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How is this necessarily "better"? Highly subjective term, no?

I think what most people want is something that keeps with the original spirit of EPCOT without being stuck in the past with regards to technology and outlooks (e.g. no more acting like, say, solar power is some mind-boggling new thing), a park that's able to evolve as new information is learned, but also a park that isn't afraid to have some attractions that could be considered timeless the way that Pirates or Haunted Mansion are considered timeless (e.g. what the original Journey Into Imagination could have been). You have an entire resort that's "twice the size of Manhattan", which should open up opportunities for parks and attractions that are extremely unique, experiences and concepts you can't find anywhere else, but what it feels like we're watching at the moment is a movement toward homogenization, as if simple IP overlays can make up for a ride not having anything truly unique about it or a larger concept and presentation beyond "here are those characters you like". It isn't even as if IP overlays can't work, but previous and current work in this area simply hasn't been very encouraging to a lot of folks.

Beyond that, it isn't really as if the new IPs are going to draw in an enormous amount of fans; most of the fans who would be drawn in by a princess movie, by Marvel, by Star Wars, etc., are already there. Yes, you'd see long lines for awhile on a new attraction taking advantage of those overlays, but again, in a resort with so much space, why default on that, particularly when the law of diminishing returns sets in (e.g. what's happened over at The Seas, where waits are back down to next to nothing)? Why not do something nobody else is doing, and use the gift of space and size to craft experiences that can appeal to different segments of your prospective audience? You have plenty of space in the Magic Kingdom and the entirety of the soon to be updated DHS for a lot of that, so why is it necessary in EPCOT when the EPCOT concept itself can be a great selling point with the right kind of emphasis? If the answer is "because people want Potter", then I think it's kind of sad if the company is willing to play catch-up with Universal, and I think it's a bit short-sighted given that Harry Potter has a very unique fandom that lends itself to themed space that a lot of other properties don't necessarily have, so attempts to replicate it aren't often going to work that well.

If people were saying "bring back Horizons and keep all the cheesy 80s color pastiches and facial hair" with 100% earnestness, I'd agree that nostalgia was playing too big a role, but wanting to hold onto the founding concept of a park that had a lot of drawing power when it wasn't being neglected doesn't sound like some rose-tinted bifocal ranting to me.
I agree but I have to say that from what we've heard this GotG ride won't be an overlay. The building itself is all that'll be staying and the words "serious investment" have been tossed around. It's much better than the alternative of Tower of Terror but nowhere close to ideal.
 

Admiral01

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I see what's happening. The old Epcot fans want future world-or all of Epcot-to have no IP's in sight. They favor a park that is strictly about learning (or in some aspect about learning something) while the new Epcot fans want to see something better and brand new to the parks, that not only brings new life to this aging permanent worlds fair, but completely brings in a new generation of fans. Trust me, people do not go to Epcot to ride an attraction that teaches you about GMO's.

You are incorrect. This has nothing to do with old vs. new EPCOT fans, or learning vs. mindless entertainment. It has to do with dedication to quality and a commitment to proper theming. Frozen, Nemo, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, GOTG, and the like do not fit thematically in EPCOT. They do fit other places, but not at EPCOT. I have no faith in TDO to deliver a well themed ride using an IP at EPCOT, because so far they have failed to do so. Nemo was shoehorned into the pavilion and has nothing to do with exploration of the world's oceans. Frozen, now that I've seen it, is shoehorned into Norway and does nothing to represent the incredible culture and country that the host pavilion is named for. Both are poorly executed rides. Attempting to tie Imagination into Honey I Shrunk the Audience destroyed that whole pavilion's experience.

I go to EPCOT to ride the high quality and unique SSE, The Land, Impressions, American Adventure, etc. I loved Maelstrom. I loved The Living Seas. I loved Journey into Imagination. If I want to watch a cliff notes version of Finding Nemo, I'll Netflix the movie and watch it on fast forward.

I get tired of people telling me what I should and should not like. EPCOT Center was a unique and beautiful creation. For years it was a great and unique place, which was different from the MK, and different from MGM. Then it began to get diluted for no good reason. Now people tell me that what I like isn't what I should like. I don't tell people that they shouldn't like the Tea Cups, or Dumbo, or the meet and greets with Princesses. I don't like them, but I respect the people who do. For some reason there is a community out there who wants to denigrate those of us who like EPCOT.

There are better ways of improving EPCOT for the next generation. Cramming Frozen, Nemo, GOTG, and what ever new synergistic IP seems to be selling merchandise is NOT the way. IPs aren't the enemy - non-creative and unoriginal storytelling is the enemy, and that is what we get with Nemo, Frozen, and the rest of the crammed IP. TDO needs to give some thought into EPCOT, but they don't seem to know how to do that...or care. GOTG would be another nail in the coffin.

Thank goodness for Tokyo DisneySea. Our last bastion of a unique theme park where dedication to theming and quality are abundant.
 
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