Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

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gmajew

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Mike S said:
having them there at all to teach us something and the fact that's it's not the kind of ride any fan of the movie would want
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Exactly if the are going to do this and out this type of ride in the park then make it the best darn ride they can. Don't try to force this to be about energy. It won't work and will be a major major fail.
 
flyerjab

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My 2 cents on this subject du jour.

As stated multiple times, I have only started my Disney journey in 2009. I still remember several Disney "moments" from that trip. On that particular visit we stayed offsite (and won't be doing that again). We did not go back until 2012, this time staying on site at the Yacht Club. I state this just to make it absolutely clear that I am not a long-time fan from the 70s when the MK was all there was, or the 80s when EPCOT Center apparently blew everyone away with its sheer scope, audacity and utter creativity. I missed this, and from what I hear it was potentially a life-changing experience for both kids and adults. I have had some excellent PM discussions with @sshindel - author of the infamous EPCOT Manifesto - and @George - who is simply infamous - over the grandeur of the original park and how it deeply affected both of them. Hearing how impactful the decline has been to long-time fans is tough, and makes me wish I had visited there in the park's heyday.

The reality, however, is that I did not visit then. And, if I may state here, from that first 2009 trip, Epcot was the least impressive park out of the 4 to me. It was truly beautiful, especially World Showcase, but there didn't seem like there was that much to do. Keep in mind too that at that time my kids were significantly younger, so there was a lot for them to enjoy at DHS (that no longer exists now), as well as the animal exhibits at DAK. Of course the MK is the MK, so that park was the standout from that first visit, with so much to see and do that we spent multiple days just in that park.

I have remarked previously that I am probably the type of fan that many posters on this site dread - from an old school fanboy's perspective. Having missed the 80s and 90s, what many hold dear to them are concepts that I have missed out on. I can't really come on a fan site like this and complain about how Epcot has changed when I never experienced the original incarnation. I would be the ultimate poser and my words would pretty much ring hollow. What I will say is that I really feel for some of you, as you can really feel how important this park used to be. There is a strong nostalgia ever-present here that I always respect and am fully understanding of.

However, I have to admit, that I am excited by some of the changes that I hear may be happening to this park. This park is MASSIVE, but it also feels like a vacuum when you walk into the center of Future World. I have to think to myself that if @marni1971 is correct (and he usually is), a line-up of multiple GotG attractions including a true E-Ticket with a new ride system, an updated M:S along side the 'recently' updated Test Track, would have me spending more time in Future World East than I ever have before in any of my visits. Let's add to that redone Innoventions, both East and West sides, the newly minted Soarin', FEA ride and expanded Norway Pavilion; well, now this starts becoming a park that I will spend a lot more time in. I also noticed that @Rteetz posted a statement regarding a rumor about the addition of a new pavilion which Martin 'liked'. That always gets my attention when Martin 'likes' a post about a rumor that someone else posts. @marni1971 has also hinted that other changes, both to landscaping and park aesthetics, are most likely happening, along with some minor changes to The Odyssey. Apparently there are even plans to add things to the World Showcase area, and after the crazy success of FEA, I completely see that happening. And how about capping off a celebration of Epcot's 50th with a newly re-imagined Imagination attraction (this one is me spitballing).

This would be a park that I would spend tons of time in. As it stands now it gets maybe 2 half day visits and we are done with it. We spend that much time in DAK (without Pandora). There is too much potential being wasted in Epcot so I welcome the changes - and potential changes - that I am hearing. As long as they are done as impressively as FEA seems to be. This park should have some of the most impressive AAs and ride designs/mechanisms out of any of the parks.

Finally, I will add that the removal of the 'tombstones' out front seems to be poetic justice for those that love what this park was. Those that purchased these probably adored the EPCOT Center that was but no longer will be. The removal of them is very emblematic of the dreams that were inspired at one time by this park. Yes, we might get a more aesthetically pleasing entrance as opposed to the ugly tombstone-like appearance, but it is the spirit that is behind the concept that is what will really be missed - one of the last, greatest attempts at a theme park.
 
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GoofGoof

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flyerjab said:
My 2 cents on this subject du jour.

As stated multiple times, I have only started my Disney journey in 2009. I still remember several Disney "moments" from that trip. On that particular visit we stayed offsite (and won't be doing that again). We did not go back until 2012, this time staying on site at the Yacht Club. I state this just to make it absolutely clear that I am not a long-time fan from the 70s when the MK was all there was, or the 80s when EPCOT Center apparently blew everyone away with its sheer scope, audacity and utter creativity. I missed this, and from what I hear it was potentially a life-changing experience for both kids and adults. I have had some excellent PM discussions with @sshindel - author of the infamous EPCOT Manifesto - and @George - who is simply infamous - over the grandeur of the original park and how it deeply affected both of them. Hearing how impactful the decline has been to long-time fans is tough, and makes me wish I had visited there in the park's heyday.

The reality, however, is that I did not visit then. And, if I may state here, from that first 2009 trip, Epcot was the least impressive park out of the 4 to me. It was truly beautiful, especially World Showcase, but there didn't seem like there was that much to do. Keep in mind too that at that time my kids were significantly younger, so there was a lot for them to enjoy at DHS (that no longer exists now), as well as the animal exhibits at DAK. Of course the MK is the MK, so that park was the standout from that first visit, with so much to see and do that we spent multiple days just in that park.

I have remarked previously that I am probably the type of fan that many posters on this site dread - from an old school fanboy's perspective. Having miss the 80s and 90s, what many hold dear to them are concepts that I have missed out on. I can't really come on a fan site like this and complain about how Epcot has changed when I never experience the original incarnation. I would be the ultimate poser and my words would pretty much ring hollow. What I will say is that I really feel for some of you, as you can really feel how important this park used to be. There is a strong nostalgia ever-present here that I always respect and am fully understanding of.

However, I have to admit, that I am excited by some of the changes that I hear may be happening to this park. This park is MASSIVE, but it also feels like a vacuum when you walk into the center of Future World. I have to think to myself that if @marni1971 is correct (and he usually is), a line-up of multiple GotG attractions including a true E-Ticket with a new ride system, an updated M:S along side the 'recently' updated Test Track, would have me spending more time in Future World East than I ever have before in any of my visits. Let's add to that redone Innoventions, both East and West sides, the newly minted Soarin', FEA ride and expanded Norway Pavilion; well, now this starts becoming a park that I will spend a lot more time in. I also noticed that @Rteetz posted a statement regarding a rumor about the addition of a new pavilion which Martin 'liked'. That always gets my attention when Martin 'likes' a post about a rumor that someone else posts. @marni1971 has also hinted that other changes, both to landscaping and park aesthetics, are most likely happening, along with some minor changes to The Odyssey. Apparently there are even plans to add things to the World Showcase area, and after the crazy success of FEA, I completely see that happening. And how about capping of a celebration of Epcot's 50th with a newly re-imagined Imagination attraction (this one is me spitballing).

This would be a park that I would spend tons of time in. As it stands now it gets maybe 2 half day visits and we are done with it. We spend that much time in DAK (without Pandora). There is too much potential being wasted in Epcot so I welcome the changes - and potential changes - that I am hearing. As long as they are done as impressively as FEA seems to be. This park should have some of the most impressive AAs and ride designs/mechanisms out of any of the parks.

Finally, I will add that the removal of the 'tombstones' out front seems to be poetic justice for those that love what this park was. Those that purchased these probably adored the EPCOT Center that was but no longer will be. The removal of them is very emblematic of the dreams that were inspired at one time by this park. Yes, we might get a more aesthetically pleasing entrance as opposed to the ugly tombstone-like appearance, but it is the spirit that is behind the concept that is what will really be missed one of the last, greatest attempts at a theme park.
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Well said, and I can understand your perspective. The nostalgia of EPCOT is still a huge draw for me. As a kid it just blew me away. I never understood when people said EPCOT was for adults and MK was for the kids or even worse, EPCOT is boring. Even without any rides I could have easily spent an hour in each pavilion just playing around in the post ride exhibits. I think what made the park truly amazing for me was the combination of fun rides with the ability to independently explore the exhibit spaces and countries. I have come to terms with the idea that the spirit of the park just doesn't work in today's fast paced world. People want instant gratification. Each pavilion in Future World was designed to potentially be a 45 minutes to an hour long plus experience. The park took 2 days minimum to see. The post ride areas and the shell of what was innoventions do need some serious updating but a lot of people skip them anyway to rush to their next FP reservation.
 
Thanks phoenicians

Thanks phoenicians

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It's kind of hard to believe Imagination would be that far down in the queue for major tlc. Hopefully that can get some kind of work done. As for SSE it really just needs a refurb hopefully they don't change a lot. The seas should just evict nemo unless they're going to make it a much better ride. As it stands I have a feeling they're just going to cram in the finding dory characters if they do anything. As for WS I'm trying not to get too excited as we've seen how many proposed things didn't end up coming to fruition
 
GoofGoof

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
Interesting point - and it occurs to me, it seems the status of this attraction as an E has been basically confirmed, but do we know it to be a thrill ride?"
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I don't believe that has been revealed yet. Another good question.

I don't really think this will happen, but it would be really cool if the ride did possibly go outside if it interacted in some way with other parts of the park...basically a stretch of track like the People Mover in MK.

Looking at the map, there isn't a whole lot of space outside the show building...unless you start using the space currently occupied by the vacant Wonders of Life pavilion.

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AndrewsJ

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nor'easter said:
And much better informed than yours.
How many newbies have we seen here since this rumor was posted? Strange, that.
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My avatar says newbie but I've been here since 2005 sharing an account with my recently departed partner. It was difficult to sign on with that screename so I now have a new one. I guess most "new members" are new but I for one am not. Can't always judge a book by its cover.

I am excited about these changes and hope they are true. Epcot will never be what it used to be. Kids these days just don't want it and a lot of times it's the kids that drive the vacation process and end up at WDW. Future World is a graveyard. I would love to walk through something like IOA and end up in World Showcase. I realize that opinion is not popular but it's just an opinion. The negativity here doesn't bother me. I think it's balanced. Negative comments just stand out more and fire differently in the brain.
 
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admiral-ari-x

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So they really are removing the tombstones?! O frabjous day, calloo callay!
Seriously though, I'm pretty conflicted about GOTG, but it does look like it'll bring some really good things into Epcot. Glad to see Disney still cares about it!
 
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