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imagineer boy

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This.

Disney botched the release. (They have done this quite a bit lately. See also: Bolt, Prince of Persia, Princess and the Frog.) The movie was doomed when they picked the release date. It doesn't help that it was poorly marketed. And from what I understand, the films was not very good.

They couldn't have possibly picked a worse release date for Caspian. Seriously, what were they thinking? Same with PatF, release it a week before Avatar, what could possibly go wrong? :hammer:

As for Caspian I thought it was mildly disapointing and not as good as the first. Mainly because I thought the Telamarines were very boring villains (plus I don't know why they decided to make them spanish), I thought Prince Caspian himself was boring, and I hated the crappy pop song they played at the end.
 

Disneyfanman

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I don't understand why people think Avatar was a freak accident. The film told a classic tale in a very original fashion. My kids and I saw it multiple times in different formats. We all loved it, and we wanted to go back to Pandora and visit again.

Multiple viewings are the key to the really big money in movies. TS3 had it. The Princess and the Frog didn't.

TRON has the makings, in my mind, of a smash. Everyone that I know of, of multiple ages, has it on their must list for the Christmas Season. The previews are very impressive, and the story is even more relevant than 30 years ago with the original. It's going to have a very big opening, and potentially could compete with HP as the film of the season. Very few people remember that the original was a snooze, although a groundbreaking one. It's going to do enormous money (60 to 80 million) at opening. It should be the 2nd biggest film of the holiday season.

Unless it is an average film with little emotional impact.

I would compare it to the sequel to the Matrix. EVERYONE that I know was sooooooo excited to go. The previews rocked.

And then the movie was terrible.

Some great movies never build momentum. Some boring films succeed beyond anyone's dreams. (Alice in Wonderland anyone?).

I think TRON will be an enormous hit or bust on it's own merits. If it's really great, then Disney does have an opportunity for a franchise here. And we have an opportunity for some cool additions to Tomorrowland.
 

_Scar

Active Member
I understand why people think Avatar was a freak accident. The film told a tired, predictable tale in a very Transformers fashion. I saw it with my family one time in 3D format. We all hated it, and we wanted to go back to James' Cameron's house and tell him how much he sucks.

One viewing is the key to understanding how bad movies work. TS3 didn't have it. The Princess and the Frog totally did not have it. Perhaps even more than TS3.

TRON has the makings, in my mind, of a Transformers level bad movie. Everyone that I know of, of multiple ages, has it on their must list for the Christmas Season. The previews are very impressive, but the story could crash and burn relying on only special effects. It could have a very big opening if promoted correctly, but it probably will not compete with HP as the film of the season. People remember that the original was a snooze, although a forgetful snooze. It might get a huge amount of money (60 to 80 million) at opening- but so did Transformers. It could be the 2nd biggest film of the holiday season.

Unless it is an average film with little emotional impact- like Transformers/Avatar.

I would compare it to the sequel to the Avatar. EVERYONE that I know is sooooooo excited to go. The previews will rock.

And then the movie will be terrible.

Some great movies never build momentum. Some boring films succeed beyond anyone's dreams. (sorry, this makes no sense)

I think TRON will be an enormous hit or bust on it's own merits. If makes money, then Disney does have an opportunity for a franchise here. And we have an opportunity to beg TDO for some cool additions to Tomorrowland.


----fixed for reality and lulz------

Avatar was not original at all. Pocahontas? Dances With Wolves? Hello?!

And CGI is NOTHING new. I'm tired of people making this movie almost God-like. It was Transformers good- as in ... visuals looked okay... story sucks.

And if I have to be forced to multiple viewings of Avatar's 3 hours of torture, I might have to gouge my own eyes out.

Now, PatF and TS3 I can watch dozens of times. Both are visually appealing and classic in their own way.

People may say that CGI's realism and 3D makes Avatar so much more stunning than PatF, but I beg to differ. Nothing beats hand drawn animation for me.

:wave:
 

janoimagine

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It doesn't help that it was poorly marketed.

With the exception of Tron and Toy Story 3, I think Disney has no idea how to market a film. There marketing is a joke, and until they can get a person who knows how, there movies will continue to fail. I mean a movie tagline of: "There's no such thing as no such thing." for the Sorcerers Apprentice? Are you kidding me, how is it people like this keep a job, they should gut the whole department.
 

docandsix

Active Member
I understand why people think Avatar was a freak accident. The film told a tired, predictable tale in a very Transformers fashion. I saw it with my family one time in 3D format. We all hated it, and we wanted to go back to James' Cameron's house and tell him how much he sucks.

...

And if I have to be forced to multiple viewings of Avatar's 3 hours of torture, I might have to gouge my own eyes out.

Now, PatF and TS3 I can watch dozens of times. Both are visually appealing and classic in their own way.

People may say that CGI's realism and 3D makes Avatar so much more stunning than PatF, but I beg to differ. Nothing beats hand drawn animation for me.

:wave:

Should I stand up and applaud this post? I couldn't agree more on these points.

I took my 15-year-old son and four or five of his friends to Avatar in 3-D at an IMAX theater on opening night and as we walked away from the closing credits, I asked their opinions of the film, expecting raves for the effects, monsters, and the machine guns most of all. What I got was a bunch of yawns and complete indifference.

As for The Princess and the Frog: It's become a family favorite and after we saw it two or three times in theaters, we've watched it literally dozens of times on DVD.

Story counts for a lot. Avatar did not have it, in my opinion.
 

lebeau

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I don't understand why people think Avatar was a freak accident. The film told a classic tale in a very original fashion. My kids and I saw it multiple times in different formats. We all loved it, and we wanted to go back to Pandora and visit again.

Avatar was not a freak accident. But it benefitted a lot from timing. It was the first movie of it's kind in the market. And while there have been plenty of other films flooding the 3-D market in the last year, no other film has done the 3-D or CGI as well.

If another movie came along today of equal quality to Avatar, it would not be the same event movie that Avatar was. Timing made Avatar a must-see event.

Multiple viewings are the key to the really big money in movies. TS3 had it. The Princess and the Frog didn't.

Repeat viewings are a big part of it. Also, Avatar was an event movie. If you didn't see it, you were missing out. Everyone was talking about it. No one felt compelled to see PatF. You could easily wait for it to come out on video.

(Disney has conditioned audiences to wait for video for their non-Pixar animated features. That will take some time to reverse.)

TRON has the makings, in my mind, of a smash.

The same ingredients that make it a potential smash also set it up to be a potential disappointment.

Everyone that I know of, of multiple ages, has it on their must list for the Christmas Season.

My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours. No one I know personally considers Tron a must-see. I think most everyone I know will wait for it on video if they intend to see it at all unless it becomes an Avatar-style event.

I think it's missing key elements (like timing and James Cameron's magic touch) to become an Avatar-style event.

It's going to have a very big opening, and potentially could compete with HP as the film of the season.

It's going to have a big opening. It won't compete the Harry Potter. No way, no how. Harry Potter is an event. I don't even like the Harry Potter movies, but I'm thinking about seeing this one because it's going to be a big freaking deal.

Tron has got a good chance of being the second-biggest movie of the season. No chance of being number 1.

Unless it is an average film with little emotional impact.

My expectations, based on what I have heard from the previews, is that it will be exactly that.


Universal is looking to acquire the Theme Park Rights to Avatar

They sure are getting bold! Keep it up, Universal!

I understand why people think Avatar was a freak accident. The film told a tired, predictable tale in a very Transformers fashion. I saw it with my family one time in 3D format. We all hated it, and we wanted to go back to James' Cameron's house and tell him how much he sucks.

Backlash is an ugly thing. Avatar was by no means perfect story-telling. But it was the height of movie magic in some respects. There's no accounting for taste. But you have to have at least some respect for the technical expertise on display here. To dismiss Avatar completely says more about you as a viewer than it does about Avatar as a film.

With the exception of Tron and Toy Story 3, I think Disney has no idea how to market a film. There marketing is a joke, and until they can get a person who knows how, there movies will continue to fail. I mean a movie tagline of: "There's no such thing as no such thing." for the Sorcerers Apprentice? Are you kidding me, how is it people like this keep a job, they should gut the whole department.

I totally forgot about Sorcerer's Apprentice. The sad thing about that is that I hear the movie was actually pretty good.

I don't get it. The Disney marketing machine is a powerful one. I am amazed how well they milk every last cent out of franchises. But when it comes to marketing movies, they trip all over themselves.
 

RSoxNo1

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Avatar was not original at all. Pocahontas? Dances With Wolves? Hello?!

How about "The Air Up There"? Kevin Bacon tries to lure a tall member of an African tribe to play basketball, but before he can gain the trust of the recruit, he needs to gain the acceptance of the tribe... sound familiar?

Avatar looked amazing. But it should have the distinction of the highest grossing animated movie of all time not Toy Story 3. So much of that movie was CGI, it shouldn't be considered a live action movie.
 

lebeau

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Avatar looked amazing. But it should have the distinction of the highest grossing animated movie of all time not Toy Story 3. So much of that movie was CGI, it shouldn't be considered a live action movie.

While this is true, it's also true of a lot of "live action" movies. The distinction is getting harder and harder to make.

Ironicly, it could be argued that the original Tron started this trend.
 

_Scar

Active Member
How about "The Air Up There"? Kevin Bacon tries to lure a tall member of an African tribe to play basketball, but before he can gain the trust of the recruit, he needs to gain the acceptance of the tribe... sound familiar?

Avatar looked amazing. But it should have the distinction of the highest grossing animated movie of all time not Toy Story 3. So much of that movie was CGI, it shouldn't be considered a live action movie.

The true core of movies is storytelling. No good story = no good movie. Simple.

Backlash is an ugly thing. Avatar was by no means perfect story-telling. But it was the height of movie magic in some respects. There's no accounting for taste. But you have to have at least some respect for the technical expertise on display here. To dismiss Avatar completely says more about you as a viewer than it does about Avatar as a film.

Movie magic? I have absolutely no respect for Avatar, nor will I ever have respect for it.

Visuals only add an icing to the cake. If there's no cake (the story) for the icing to go on then what's the point?

And the 3D wasn't even that good!

And I know PLENTY of people who hate Avatar. And I know nobody who considers it their favorite film. I think that's a powerful message.


And take Mary Poppins for example. For its time, it was technologically amazing. Special effects that still boggle minds from young to old. But the gross didn't come anywhere near Avatar's. In 20 years when Avatar 13 comes out in 5D with you virtually walking in Pandora, will that top Avatar because of the technical experience? And where does Mary Poppins stand?

The thing is, you (guys) are still in the minority about Avatar.

You should see some polls these days... sometimes the minority is way better. :lol:
 

JohnLocke

Member
I think you can make that argument with any movie.. :veryconfu



If you think about it, almost every movie can be compared to another and have very similar aspects.


You can make a similar argument, but if you look closely at Pocahontas and Avatar, you'll see that they're pretty much the same movie, with a little bit of Ferngully and an action scene or two thrown in. For a comparison and Spoilers for those who've not seen one:

Both movies feature a protagonist that goes to a new world with not entirely the same objective of the others in their party, John Smith looking for discovery and adventure, Sulley looking to get his ability to walk back, and both get into a taboo relationship with a native who just happens to be daughter of her people's leader.

Both daughters are already betrothed to a great warrior in their tribe, who shows disdain for these new people. Both protagonists spend time in nature and with some of the people and gain respect for the land and their way of life. Also, both native cultures revolve around a mystic tree that features the spirits of their ancestors, that at least some can communicate with.

Both feature villains that are trying to extract a mineral from the native's land and are planning to basically slaughter the natives. In the end, the major enemies in both are sent packing or are arrested, but a mutual respect is formed by some of the newcomers with the people and some are welcome to either stay or come back.
 

Animaniac93-98

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Let's hope Tron Legacy fares better than Fantasia 2000! ;)

I can't possibly do worse (at least without adjusting for inflation), that movie made a whopping $60 million at the domestic box office and only $90 million for a worldwide total.

I've been reading everything you've posted in this thread* and I have to agree with it all. I didn't know if you've brought this up already but it could always turn out to be a bad movie that becomes a smash like Transformers. Will it? I'm guessing not, but there's always that possibility too. And if that happens it certainly won't matter what anyone really thinks just how much they've spent.

I really hope TRON though is both a) a hit and b) one that deserves it. Both for the whole TRON franchise thing and the remake of The Black Hole being done by the same team. That too has great potential, but that title's reputation doesn't need to be any worse than it already is.

*Well not the Avatar stuff I can't comment on it.
 

imagineer boy

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I can't believe it also didn't mention the similarities with Disney's Atlantis movie, There are a stunning amount of similarities with that one.

- Warrior Princess that wears hardly anything
- Villain who is pretty old, muscular and an army veteran.
- Young, pushy Hispanic girl who is good with machinery (well, Avatar: Planes, Atlantis: Vehicles)
- They are after a very expensive mineral in which taking it might kill all the land's inhabitants
- The Navi/Atlanteans are all connected to one big tree/crystal.
- The color BLUE
-Hero and warrior princess climb a large structure that looks out over alien world.
- The main guy is assigned to get familiar with the princess and they end up falling in love
-Crotchety old woman character who smokes (Mrs. Packard, Sigourney's character)
- Epic aerial battle at the end.
- The king dies
- The final confrontation between good guy and bad guy: After beating up on the main guy, the bad guy holds him up by some part of his body and almost kills him with large, sharp object. The bad guy is stopped by the princess (Neytiri's bows she shoots at him, and Kida's crystallized glass.)
- The main guy staying in that specific place to be with his woman.
 

wickedsoccer22

Active Member
You can make a similar argument, but if you look closely at Pocahontas and Avatar, you'll see that they're pretty much the same movie, with a little bit of Ferngully and an action scene or two thrown in.

You could also make an argument that Cars basically the cartoon version of Doc Hollywood.

Lightning McQueen breaks down in Radiator Springs, Dr. Stone breaks down in Grady, South Caroloina. Lightning McQueen wants to leave right away, Dr. Stone wants to leave right away. Lighting McQueen meets Sally, Dr. Stone meets Lou. Lightning McQueen helps fix Radiator Springs, Dr. Stone helps take care of residents of the town. Lighting McQueen falls in love with Radiator Springs, Dr. Stone falls in love with Grady, South Carolina.


See what I'm saying? Isn't Cars such a "beloved" and "original" Pixar film? Look's to me like from what you're saying here Cars isn't worth watching because we've seen the same story before. But wait, you say its different because its animated and the characters are cars? Hmm...
 

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