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lebeau

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You've never seen Basic Instinct 2, have you? :rolleyes: :hurl:

Okay, I understand you can't get Michael Douglas back. Fair enough. But when you can't get Kurt Russel, Dennis Quaid, or even Matthew Freakin' Modine, maybe you need a re-write.

If the entire appeal of your movie is the fading ______ appeal of your once-hot starlet who's career has cooled to the point where she has no choice but to appear in a sequel to her star-making vehicle, maybe you're better off going straight-to-video.

(Seriously, who the heck is David Morrisey? They couldn't even hire a Baldwin?!?)
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I actually think everyone here agrees the movie will most likely be successful. Probably moreso than the original Tron. Certainly, Disney hopes so.

I'm just trying to reign in expectations. The thread is about the likelihood of a Tron attraction coming to the parks. For that to happen, Tron will have to do very well. While I certainly think that's possible, it is by no means certain.

My gut tells me Tron will make a lot of money. Enough for Disney to move forward with the planned sequel. But less than Disney is hoping for. I've been wrong before. I was wrong about Avatar last year. But I'm not smelling a break-out all-demographics smash.

That should be good enough to make Disney happy and to get at least one sequel produced. I just don't know if it will be big enough to bring a permanent Tron attraction to the parks.
If we go by WDW's track record Tron could take Avatar's place on the top of the money making list and I still do not think we will see an attraction anytime soon in WDW. I simply can not think of a single Disney movie that has made it quickly into a permanent attraction. At best we might see a meet n greet.
 

lebeau

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No, but I suppose that's why I said most :ROFLOL:

Most of these long-gestating sequels were at least spawned by a hit movie. I think where Tron is unique is that the original movie was at best a disappointment. There aren't many movies that were as financially unsuccessful as Tron that scored sequels - much less decades later.

Honestly, I think a big part of the reason Tron 2 got made is the Tron video games. I don't actually think many people have very fond memories of the original movie. But most people I know who are old enough to remember played some of the Tron arcade games and remember them fondly.

I think that contributes to the nostalgia surrounding Tron as a whole which lead to the successful DVD release.
 

lebeau

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If we go by WDW's track record Tron could take Avatar's place on the top of the money making list and I still do not think we will see an attraction anytime soon in WDW. I simply can not think of a single Disney movie that has made it quickly into a permanent attraction. At best we might see a meet n greet.

I think if Tron topped Avatar Disney *might* have something permanent in the parks in time for the sequels. But I don't expect Tron Legacy to break any records or wind up with a substantial presence in the parks any time soon.
 

lebeau

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I can see Alec being out of the equation, but just how busy is Billy these days? :rolleyes: :ROFLOL:

Precisely. Any of the lesser Baldwins probably would have done it.

If they had Alec Baldwin as Jack Donaghy in Basic Instinct 3, I would be there opening day.
 

JohnLocke

Member
The fact that it is a sequel to a movie that flopped over two decades ago is a very, very valid argument. Name another hit movie that was a sequel to a 20+ year-old-flop? Off the top of my head, I'm not even sure such a film has ever been made.

The word I've heard from those sneak previews is that the movie is visually stunning, but has a weak story filled with mediocre acting and family melodrama. Strong visuals and a weak story is what sunk the first movie.

While the movie has some buzz, it may be overshadowed at the box office. There are a lot of high profile films competing this holiday season. Harry Potter's going to do crazy business (though it should be mostly played out by the time Tron opens). The next weekend, you've got Tangled. I'm worried for Tangled opening so soon after HP, but if it catches on it could actually steal business from Tron a couple weeks later.

The week before Tron, you've got Narnia. And this one looks a lot better than Prince Caspian. Again, I think Potter hurts Narnia. But if Narnia catches on, it could still be doing buisness when Tron opens.

Tron opens against Yogi Bear. And I am confident it will win the weekend with a big opening. But, I also would have predicted that Princess and the Frog would have cleaned up against Alvin and the Chipmunks 2 last year. Yogi looks to be in the same Alvin mold and could surprise people. If it does, it takes a chunk out of Tron's audience.

(Before anyone jumps on that, I feel safe in predicting Tron will open at #1. I'm just saying it's possible Yogi Bear or a hold-over from a previous week could take a bite out of the opening weekend.)

The second week will be critical for Tron. It's almost guaranteed a big weekend. But if audiences don't love it and it takes a big drop in its second weekend, it will be viewed as a disappointment because expectations are sky high. Little Fockers and Gullivers Travels both open the next weekend and could compete for Tron's family audience. True Grit could pull away some of the male/action audience.

But I think the key will be the quality of Tron. If it's just a pretty sci-fi movie, I don't think that will be enough to do block buster Pirates-level business. It's going to have to deliver a compelling story that appeals to more than gamers and fans of the original cult film. And what I'm hearing is that on that level, the movie falls short.

I like Tron's prospects to be a holiday hit for Disney. I think it will be the franchise they were hoping for with Prince of Persia. They desperately need it to be. But there are plenty of reasons to think Tron will under perform. There's only a few sure things at the box office and Tron Legacy isn't one of them.


While I do agree with you that quality will ultimately tell the tale when it comes to how Tron performs overall, I have to disagree with you on your box office assessment.

Harry Potter and Tangled are pretty much non-issues when it comes to Tron. I'm a big Potter fan, but the movies usually do their damage in the first 4 weeks, leaving pretty good space for Tron. As for Tangled, while I think it may perform really well, I think the audiences for the two just won't have as much overlap, and like Potter most of its business will have already been done by the time Tron opens.

Like you, I think people are underestimating Narnia, but I think it's very likely that if it does catch fire, it will not be to the detriment of Tron, and that the two could a have a bit of a Sherlock Holmes/Avatar relationship.

As for Yogi Bear, even if it is a big success, the audiences just don't really match up that much, and your Alvin and the Chipmunks/Princess and the Frog argument just doesn't really work. But if it did, with Alvin vs. Princess, Alvin had many things in its favor that Princess did not. Even though the first was a critical flop, it was a sequel to a high performing movie, that earned its box office over a long period of time, while Princess had the bad pedigree of recent Disney animated movies, as well as the idea of a Randy Newman musical working against it. Yogi Bear and Tron don't really go along with that match-up.

I think of the three that open the next week, True Grit may be the biggest spoiler. Gulliver could turn out to be something, but I've not really seen much advertisement for it, and the same goes for Little Fockers. Little Fockers also has, ironically, the amount of time between sequels working against it a bit, while the second was a big hit, it wasn't a critical fave, and I don't think there has really been a big call for a third for a few years, so they may have missed the boat on this one.
 

PalisadesPkteer

Active Member
If this Narnia 3 Dawn Treader does well, I wonder if Disney will kick itself for giving it up.

Narnia 2 had too much battles and bloodshed is what I am hearing. Didn't see #2 only the first one. So if it had not been this way would it have made more money?

Is Tron Legacy far enough from too much violence but enough Action and character development to sustain it to 3 movies and beyound?

How many movies are they planning for Narnia and also for Tron?

Suppose it will depend on Tron 2 and Narnia 3 making $$$$$$$ or not.
 

Crazy Harry

Active Member
If this Narnia 3 Dawn Treader does well, I wonder if Disney will kick itself for giving it up.

Narnia 2 had too much battles and bloodshed is what I am hearing. Didn't see #2 only the first one. So if it had not been this way would it have made more money?

Is Tron Legacy far enough from too much violence but enough Action and character development to sustain it to 3 movies and beyound?

How many movies are they planning for Narnia and also for Tron?

Suppose it will depend on Tron 2 and Narnia 3 making $$$$$$$ or not.

See Price Caspian, it was better than the first IMO. My favorite part is Peter vs King Miraz.
 

JohnLocke

Member
If this Narnia 3 Dawn Treader does well, I wonder if Disney will kick itself for giving it up.

Narnia 2 had too much battles and bloodshed is what I am hearing. Didn't see #2 only the first one. So if it had not been this way would it have made more money?

Is Tron Legacy far enough from too much violence but enough Action and character development to sustain it to 3 movies and beyound?

How many movies are they planning for Narnia and also for Tron?

Suppose it will depend on Tron 2 and Narnia 3 making $$$$$$$ or not.


I don't think Prince Caspian underperformed because of violence, I think it had a lot more to do with where the film was released than anything else. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was pretty much unopposed during its release, except for King Kong, and had the benefit of being released around Christmas.

Caspian, on the other hand, had an early summer release and was sandwiched between Iron Man and Indiana Jones. As an early summer release, it had to deal with school still being in session and probably the most stressful time of the year with most kids because of final exams. Even if it could have some legs, it wouldn't be able to stretch it too much, because screens and theaters have to be given up other summer movies, even those that won't compete against it.

As for the number of movies, I believe they've had plans to get to a fourth Narnia movie, but will probably try to do The Last Battle if this and probable fourth are a success. A Horse and His Boy and The Magician's Nephew aren't really necessary to make in to movies. I'd assume they at least would like to do a trilogy with Tron, but I'm sure if things all work out, they will just make them as long as they're profitable.
 

lebeau

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Harry Potter and Tangled are pretty much non-issues when it comes to Tron. I'm a big Potter fan, but the movies usually do their damage in the first 4 weeks, leaving pretty good space for Tron. As for Tangled, while I think it may perform really well, I think the audiences for the two just won't have as much overlap, and like Potter most of its business will have already been done by the time Tron opens.

Agreed. I bring up Potter and Tangled because for Tron to be a blockbuster, it's going to need repeat viewings. And it's going to need the family audience. If people see Tron once and then see Harry Potter a second time, Tron will have a good weekend and no legs. I think Tangled is less of an issue. If anything, I think Tron potentially hurts Tangled's chances of repeat viewings.

Like you, I think people are underestimating Narnia, but I think it's very likely that if it does catch fire, it will not be to the detriment of Tron, and that the two could a have a bit of a Sherlock Holmes/Avatar relationship.

I don't look for Narnia to beat Tron. But like Potter, it stands a chance of stealing away repeat customers from Tron. And repeat viewings is what separates hit movies from blockbusters.

As for Yogi Bear, even if it is a big success, the audiences just don't really match up that much, and your Alvin and the Chipmunks/Princess and the Frog argument just doesn't really work. But if it did, with Alvin vs. Princess, Alvin had many things in its favor that Princess did not. Even though the first was a critical flop, it was a sequel to a high performing movie, that earned its box office over a long period of time, while Princess had the bad pedigree of recent Disney animated movies, as well as the idea of a Randy Newman musical working against it. Yogi Bear and Tron don't really go along with that match-up.

Yeah, it's not an apples to oranges comparisson. I mostly bring up Yogi Bear to point out that some crazy things could happen. I don't expect YB to be much of a factor. But if it is makreted right, it could feel like a de facto Chipmunks sequel. If they tap into that audience, Yogi could walk away with a surprising number of picnic baskets! :ROFLOL::lookaroun


I think of the three that open the next week, True Grit may be the biggest spoiler. Gulliver could turn out to be something, but I've not really seen much advertisement for it, and the same goes for Little Fockers. Little Fockers also has, ironically, the amount of time between sequels working against it a bit, while the second was a big hit, it wasn't a critical fave, and I don't think there has really been a big call for a third for a few years, so they may have missed the boat on this one.

I'm with you on this assessment too. I know next to nothing about Gulliver so my expectations are low. But maybe it's a hidden gem that will get a marketing push in Dec. (Doubtful.) I do think Tru Grit will pull away some of Tron's mostly male audience. But it should skew older than Tron. Fockers could go either way. I agree the heat for a Fockers sequel has died down. But as a "family" (and I use that term loosely) comedy, I still expect it to put a big dent in the box office.

Next to Potter, I think Tron has the biggest potential to be a blockbuster this holiday season. But it's a crowded season with a lot of contenders who could potentially downsize Tron from blockbuster status to holiday hit.

I think the smart money is on the latter.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
I don't think Prince Caspian underperformed because of violence, I think it had a lot more to do with where the film was released than anything else. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was pretty much unopposed during its release, except for King Kong, and had the benefit of being released around Christmas.

Caspian, on the other hand, had an early summer release and was sandwiched between Iron Man and Indiana Jones. As an early summer release, it had to deal with school still being in session and probably the most stressful time of the year with most kids because of final exams. Even if it could have some legs, it wouldn't be able to stretch it too much, because screens and theaters have to be given up other summer movies, even those that won't compete against it.

This.

Disney botched the release. (They have done this quite a bit lately. See also: Bolt, Prince of Persia, Princess and the Frog.) The movie was doomed when they picked the release date. It doesn't help that it was poorly marketed. And from what I understand, the films was not very good.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Say what... Cartoon:eek: You tube here I come...

I haven't seen the cartoon Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe since I was a kid. But it used to air on TV every Easter. It was a favorite of mine back then. My memory is that it was better than the movie, but you know how childhood memories are. I'd be afraid to revisit it!
 

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