Got some good "jerk parents" stories?

[DABIGCHEEZ]

:ROFLOL: And that is supposed to impress me and/or make me think that second-hand smoke is anything but harmless why?



As I said THOSE STUDIES ARE WRONG...THEY ARE TRYING TO PUSH AN AGENDA AND DO NOT REPRESENT HONEST SCHOLARLY DISCUSSION on the purported dangers of second-hand smoke [Hint, hint, there are none].

I tried to :zipit: on this but I had to rip the tape off. OUCH!!

Let me just say...... I have seen meat before it gets thrown on a smoker and after. And it doesn't look them same. Therefore I have to believe similar effects are happening regardless of 1st hand, 2nd hand or whatever other kind of smoke it is. Sure there are those who are pushing an agenda but my take is if you want your lungs Extra Crispy recipe....that is fine. I want mine Original recipe thank you.

 

[PhotoDave219]

If this discussion can't remain civil, it won't remain at all. Thank you.

The thread title should have been a clue that it was going to be filled with judgemental comments, and heated discussion of parenting styles. Enter at your own risk, understand that you're going to read various opinions, but no personal attacks, please!

... Is mommy gonna punish us now?




please? :lookaroun

 

[tooltime]

i haven't read many posts but a common 'thread' in this thread is smacking the kid. i have to hold my head when i see this in public.

hitting has always been an effective interpersonal tool.....NOT!

i'm not getting on a soapbox but pointing out it seems like they're teaching their kiddos that physical force is how problems are solved.

imagine if hitting was normal and customary in the workplace :lol:

 

[sublimesting]

The best I saw was during the fireworks. As you know at the MK the fireworks are like being shelled by artillery at times, especially right under where they go off. Anyways there is a little kid huddled on the ground screaming and the mother wrenching him up and swatting him and yelling "You will get up and watch the fireworks and enjoy his vacation!!! Have fun right now this is Disney World!! Stop crying...Have fun...get up NOW!!!!" :sohappy:

Speaking of parents not watching their kids: I was swimming at the Hippy Dippy Pool at Pop Century and this little kid like 6 or so was in the middle of the pool which is pretty deep. He was totally floundering and going under and screaming for help frantically. I walked over to him and that little guy just climbed right up me and held on tight. No one around payed any attention, the life guards were worthless as were the parents. You don't let a child out of your sight for more than a few seconds at a time, especially at Disney. :hammer:

 

[Hakunamatata]

And I thought all the time that it was second hand smoke that was making my eyes water and causing my gag reflex to initiate when I am around smokers. Guess I was mistaken and it was just the regular oxygen in the air. Hmmmm...learn something new everyday. Go figure.

 

[mpoppins76]

The best I saw was during the fireworks. As you know at the MK the fireworks are like being shelled by artillery at times, especially right under where they go off. Anyways there is a little kid huddled on the ground screaming and the mother wrenching him up and swatting him and yelling "You will get up and watch the fireworks and enjoy his vacation!!! Have fun right now this is Disney World!! Stop crying...Have fun...get up NOW!!!!" :sohappy:

Sadly, I've seen a very similar occurance.

 

[sublimesting]

i haven't read many posts but a common 'thread' in this thread is smacking the kid. i have to hold my head when i see this in public.

hitting has always been an effective interpersonal tool.....NOT!

i'm not getting on a soapbox but pointing out it seems like they're teaching their kiddos that physical force is how problems are solved.

imagine if hitting was normal and customary in the workplace :lol:

My wife is a child therapist. Actually the only time hitting is appropriate is if you do what the child did to show it a lesson. For example, if the child keeps biting people you don't hit the child as that shows it that violence is the solution. What you do is bite the child yourself (not hard). This demonstrates why biting is bad and let's the child know what they are doing wrong. I am serious here, this is not a joke.

 

[tooltime]

My wife is a child therapist. Actually the only time hitting is appropriate is if you do what the child did to show it a lesson. For example, if the child keeps biting people you don't hit the child as that shows it that violence is the solution. What you do is bite the child yourself (not hard). This demonstrates why biting is bad and let's the child know what they are doing wrong. I am serious here, this is not a joke.

interesting...never thought of it that way.

doesn't it seem counterproductive to lash out and smack your kid

 

[brianhorn]

I know there have been time when I myself have lost my cool after a long day at the park. It is hard for anyone else to understand the relationship I have with my children and what consequences may have an effect on there behavior. I think it is unfair for another parent to judge what works with someone else's kids. and impossible for someone with out kids to judge. When we send our kids over to the neighbor house there is an understanding that they are bound by the house rules, even if I don't agree with them. With that said I would never put my kids in a position that was not safe.
One way that I have found to help alleviate the wining and bad temper when visiting the parks is to rent a stroller even though my kids are 8 and 10. with the kids riding they don't get as stressed and therefore I don't.

 

[tooltime]

i should temper (pun intended) my response. i have also lost my cool at DL with my kids....i've failed to meet more than once.

 

[Fantasmic]

:ROFLOL: And that is supposed to impress me and/or make me think that second-hand smoke is anything but harmless why?

I never said it to "impress" you, I wouldn't want to impress someone so bigoted and ignorant.

As I said THOSE STUDIES ARE WRONG...THEY ARE TRYING TO PUSH AN AGENDA AND DO NOT REPRESENT HONEST SCHOLARLY DISCUSSION on the purported dangers of second-hand smoke [Hint, hint, there are none].

Golly gosh, someone must have told you ignorance is bliss.

Go and do a google search on ROY CASTLE. An English man who DIED of LUNG CANCER due to SECOND HAND SMOKE.

I'll make it easy for you http://www.roycastle.org

Maybe if you opened your eyes (or maybe you can't because of the cloud of smoke you're enveloped in) You'll realise that second hand smoke is a killer.

I suggest these for a little light reading:
http://www.gosmokefree.co.uk/secondhandsmoke/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2053840.stm

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/healthyliving/smokingandtobacco/passivesmoking/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article1056000.ece

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS


The only way there are not going to be any dangers from Second Hand Smoke is if you DON'T breath it in.

 

[shoppingnut]

and impossible for someone with out kids to judge.

This is simply not true, I have been taking my nephew places since he was 2 yrs. old, so I know him well and what his limitations are, etc. Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean it's "impossible" for me to make a judgement. Just because someone has kids doesn't make them anymore qualified than anyone else and some parents are outright idiots.

I've been taking him to WDW every summer alone since he's been 8 yrs. old and over the years have worked up to it being a week long trip this year. It is tough to get him to try new things and I won't push him to go on things like his parent's did which has made him fearful of new rides. However, this year I told him he was old enough to either try Splash Mountain or Big Thunder Mountain or another ride, but that he had to pick something new to try. I explained each ride thoroughly and he finally chose Splash, he was a bit nervous asking all sorts of questions while on line, thank goodness we had FP's, but after the ride, he said it was his new favorite ride and glad it was his idea to go on it.

 

[sbkline]

I never understood the.. Let's go to WDW and leave the kids home idea. IMHO it is selfishness at its best. My kids are WHY we go. We (wife & I) would not enjoy our trip one bit without our kids. Overnight getwaways minus the kids are one thing, but not taking them on a WDW trip is just plain selfish. Just my opinion.

I don't remember how old you said your kids are. But if they are 3 or under, then many people would argue that it is YOU who is selfish for bringing them. Because at that age, if you're really honest, you're going for yourself and not for them. Because YOU want to go and the kids are part of the package deal. They won't remember it. They will be too little to really appreciate the experience. I'm not saying that they won't enjoy it. They're kids and can enjoy themselves anywhere, whether it be at Grandma's, the grocery store or the county fair. So ya, they may enjoy WDW while they're there, but probably not anymore than they would enjoy themselves at Grandma's for the week. So if your children are under 3, I don't believe for a minute that you go for them and not for yourselves. With what little they can do there, I highly doubt that you would spend a couple grand to take them down there when they could have just as much fun at that age by playing blocks on Grandma's living room floor. My wife and I went before we had kids, because WE like it. It had nothing to do with kids because there were none. Now when they get older, then we will take them there because WE like it and also because we want to share it with them and hope that THEY like it and have the time of their lives as well. But to say that you take a 2 year old to WDW for him and not for yourselves is the biggest cockenbull story I've ever heard.

Now notice at the top of my post where I said that many people would consider you to be the selfish one for bringing your kids. I didn't include myself in that because I don't consider you selfish for doing so. I prefer not to bring my one year old child there for the reasons I gave, but I respect your position of prefering to take yours (again, I don't remember how old you said they are). They're your kids, it's your money, your vacation and your family. If you have a great vacation by bringing your toddlers along, then that's great and I don't fault you one bit for it. And I don't consider you selfish or irresponsible for making that choice. I would appreciate it if you and maggigrace and everyone else on your side of the issue could reciprocate that respect instead of calling the rest of us selfish, bad people, etc.

 

[sbkline]

:lol:
EXACTLY.....

YAY!...Something you posted made me :sohappy:

:animwink:
:ROFLOL: :ROFLOL: :ROFLOL:

So nice that I could lighten your day.

Seriously though, you don't know me except for what posts you've seen on a messageboard. You've never had the chance to sit down with me and have a conversation, or spend any amount of time with me outside of a messageboard. Yet you've basically just admitted that you think I'm a bad person just because I have reasons for preferring not to take an almost 2 year old to Disney next year. That's a pretty harsh and unfair accusastion to make.

I get that you enjoy your vacations much more with your toddler along and that you can't imagine going without her. That's fine. It's your vacation, and I'm happy you have a blast in the way you prefer to do it.

But there are many people besides myself who are very reluctant to bring a young child to WDW, for the reasons I gave. While you may have a differing opinion, you're totally out of line to say that we're bad people because we think a child at that age will make the vacation less enjoyable for all involved.

Many people who love their kids prefer to wait until the kids are older to take them to WDW and many people who love their kids prefer to spend their week at Disney without the responsibilities of contending with an infant/toddler. While you may disagree with that approach, don't you think it's a bit unfair to say that this makes them bad people?

 

[Hakunamatata]

They won't remember it. They will be too little to really appreciate the experience.

At two and a half, my son could recognize the fact that there was a ride inside Spaceship Earth and everytime we would come out of a country in World Showcase and you could see Spaceship Earth, he would say ' ride the ride again, and point to Spaceship Earth. Yesterday, we watched the planning video. My son, now 3 and a half verbalized that he wanted to ride the pirate ride, SSE, IASW, and that Haunted Mansion isnt that scarry. So, keep telling yourself that young children wouldnt remember and you will be regretting in a few years that you didint take yours.

 

[brianhorn]

This is simply not true, I have been taking my nephew places since he was 2 yrs. old, so I know him well and what his limitations are, etc. Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean it's "impossible" for me to make a judgement. Just because someone has kids doesn't make them anymore qualified than anyone else and some parents are outright idiots.

I've been taking him to WDW every summer alone since he's been 8 yrs. old and over the years have worked up to it being a week long trip this year. It is tough to get him to try new things and I won't push him to go on things like his parent's did which has made him fearful of new rides. However, this year I told him he was old enough to either try Splash Mountain or Big Thunder Mountain or another ride, but that he had to pick something new to try. I explained each ride thoroughly and he finally chose Splash, he was a bit nervous asking all sorts of questions while on line, thank goodness we had FP's, but after the ride, he said it was his new favorite ride and glad it was his idea to go on it.

Good point, I myself took my nephews on may adventures before I had kids. I do think there is a diffrence between having your own kids and caring for some one elses, at least that has been my experiance. I think it is wonderfull that you can enjoy your newhews, I know I did. When my nephew was about 10 he jouint me at Disney for a confrence and he sill talks about it today 20 years later.

Good for you!

 

[sbkline]

imagine if hitting was normal and customary in the workplace :lol:

How much more I would enjoy my job then! :lol:

 

[Dragonrider1227]

I've often noticed that when people complain about something not going right, it's always the parents. The children don't care and are actually enjoying themselves but the parents didn't get exactly what they wanted and have to moan and groan about it

 

[brianhorn]

I'm not saying that they won't enjoy it. They're kids and can enjoy themselves anywhere, whether it be at Grandma's, the grocery store or the county fair.

I would agree, when my niece was three we all went to Disney, when asked a week later what she liked about Disney she replied the Flamingos. We could have gone anywhere at that age and she would have had a good time. My un-professional opinion would think that before the age of 6 most kids would not remember the experience. That is not to say that you should not go with younger children, just don't think you are going for them.

 

[Hakunamatata]

the age of 6 ....

Holy crap. Why dont you all just go ahead and make it easy on yourself and just say, "kids below the age of 21, wont remember...."