General Star Wars News

Jedijax719

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That was the rumor sometime after last jedi. That Iger wanted JJ to head up star wars but he wouldn't take it.

If JJ was doing all 3 sequels, I'm positive we get a much more cohesive story at least. I would of rather got 3 films on par with force awakens than the hodge podge we ended up with.

That said, Dave is obviously a better choice. I still question Kennedy's ability to hire the proper people and Dave isn't really suited for that either, at least that I'm aware of. But all in all it's a step forward for star wars for sure.
I think that talented people will be more suited now that we have a "keeper of the connection". The first thing that Dave needs to do (in my opinion) is have a VERY rough outline of the beginning, middle, and end of the various sagas. Then they should also make sure they have quality script writers. The scripts for the sequel trilogy were actually very good. It was the stories that didn't have clear vision. Conversely, the script writing for most of the prequels were horrible (Lucas should have hired writers rather than doing it himself) but the stories were actually quite great. The prequels would have been VERY differently received if the actual dialogue was better. As it is, Revenge of the Sith is my third favorite SW movie after ANH and TESB.
 

erasure fan1

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The first thing that Dave needs to do (in my opinion) is have a VERY rough outline of the beginning, middle, and end of the various sagas.
Yes, they absolutely need a plan from start to finish. That's something that was very apparently missing from the sequels. I would say he needs to take it past rough. They need a strong, well thought out arc if they are going to start another trilogy. If it ends up being another pass the baton situation, it's in trouble. Things can evolve, story beats can change, but the overall arc should be well set.
The prequels would have been VERY differently received if the actual dialogue was better.
I agree. Lucas unfortunately surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men. He had no one to challenge him like Marcia in the original films.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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I think that talented people will be more suited now that we have a "keeper of the connection". The first thing that Dave needs to do (in my opinion) is have a VERY rough outline of the beginning, middle, and end of the various sagas. Then they should also make sure they have quality script writers. The scripts for the sequel trilogy were actually very good. It was the stories that didn't have clear vision. Conversely, the script writing for most of the prequels were horrible (Lucas should have hired writers rather than doing it himself) but the stories were actually quite great. The prequels would have been VERY differently received if the actual dialogue was better. As it is, Revenge of the Sith is my third favorite SW movie after ANH and TESB.

It might be one thing everyone can agree on, that the sequel trilogy should have had a basic storyline in place across all three films.

Granted, the plan was always for Leia to have a confrontation with Kylo. That scene ended up being with Han due to Carrie passing, but it shows there were some story elements planned out.

I said at the time it should have been JJ and Rian writing episode 9 together. JJ showed he could capture the spirit of Star Wars in a fan pleasing way and Rian was willing to bring new ideas rather that rehash. Seemed like an obvious idea to have the two of them finish the saga together.
 

MisterPenguin

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Does this REALLY belong in the SW thread?
Tangentially, this was supposed to be Zach doing a "Star Wars" movie *right*. And this is General Star Wars News thread. And I created a new thread for it to discussed there rather than here.

So... report it if you think it's off topic.
 

Willmark

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Thinking about the upcoming movies (as in the next few years) a few thoughts, assuming they actually get made.
  1. Interesting they are picking up from The Rise of Skywalker for the movie focusing on the New Jedi Order and having Rey be in it. Given the dislike of many of RoS because of the retro-con of TLJ will people turn out for it. I'm intrigued to see what they might do.
  2. Given the scattershot nature of where the movies will be set is Disney's attempt forward to reinvigorate the franchise. But will anyone care?
  3. going along with 3 is Disney making the same mistake that they did with Marvel in Phase 4? That there is no cohesion to the overall direction.
Just some random thoughts as someone who has only watched the movies and not seen Clone Wars to Andor to anything else in between except snippets of Mandolorian.
 

MagicHappens1971

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Thinking about the upcoming movies (as in the next few years) a few thoughts, assuming they actually get made.
  1. Interesting they are picking up from The Rise of Skywalker for the movie focusing on the New Jedi Order and having Rey be in it. Given the dislike of many of RoS because of the retro-con of TLJ will people turn out for it. I'm intrigued to see what they might do.
I think Disney is aware that the franchise has a wide variety of fans from different ages, "eras" of the franchise, as well as what sub-set of the content they want to see. While many on here claim the Sequel trilogy was a "massive flop", it was not. And the children of today (especially young girls) enjoy Rey. Creating a compelling story centering around Rey is not a bad idea.
  1. Given the scattershot nature of where the movies will be set is Disney's attempt forward to reinvigorate the franchise. But will anyone care?
Depending on which order they release these films, and the quality of them, people will care. In my opinion, these films (at least the first one) will do well no matter what.
  1. going along with 3 is Disney making the same mistake that they did with Marvel in Phase 4? That there is no cohesion to the overall direction.
I think they're trying to branch off the success of most of the Star Wars D+ shows. Star Wars is an infinite galaxy with infinite stories to tell. Their mistakes with the MCU are plentiful however are not in the same vein. The "Mandoverse" film is perfect as it will culminate the stories of several characters, Mando, Grogu, and Ahsoka, as well as others. Ahsoka is a fan favorite within the community and has been for quite a few years, and while the most recent season of Mando was not as great as it's predecessors, I think the interest still holds.

The High Republic film being framed as a "religious story" can be done VERY well, and the fandom has a pretty large subset who is very interested in the inner workings of the force. My biggest fear with this type of story is that it can create very large plot holes, that can obviously be worked around since this story takes place 10000s of years before the current Star Wars content.
 

DKampy

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I think Disney is aware that the franchise has a wide variety of fans from different ages, "eras" of the franchise, as well as what sub-set of the content they want to see. While many on here claim the Sequel trilogy was a "massive flop", it was not. And the children of today (especially young girls) enjoy Rey. Creating a compelling story centering around Rey is not a bad idea.
my brother last year showed every Star Wars movie in order to his kids( ages 9 & 11)their favs are the Disney produced films with their favorite characters being Kylo and Rey…When the prequels came out a bunch of us original trilogy fans were disappointed…but now there seems to be a new appreciation for those…now that the kids who grew up with the prequels are adults….I would not be surprised if the same happens with Disney Star Wars in 20 years
 

Dranth

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my brother last year showed every Star Wars movie in order to his kids( ages 9 & 11)their favs are the Disney produced films with their favorite characters being Kylo and Rey…When the prequels came out a bunch of us original trilogy fans were disappointed…but now there seems to be a new appreciation for those…now that the kids who grew up with the prequels are adults….I would not be surprised if the same happens with Disney Star Wars in 20 years
This.

Like it or not (and I don't) the kids that grew up with the prequals have led the "they are actually good" rewrite of history because they have a fondness for them. Those movies were terrible and many at the time felt like they "ruined" Star Wars with ideas like midi-chlorians, immaculate conception, making the universe tiny by showing ridiculous, unearned cameos left and right, etc. Same thing will happen with the Disney ones which I view as just as bad as the prequels.
 

erasure fan1

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Like it or not (and I don't) the kids that grew up with the prequals have led the "they are actually good" rewrite of history because they have a fondness for them. Those movies were terrible
While the prequels aren't considered a masterpiece by any means. I don't think it was only kids that grew up with them that changed the narrative. For a lot of people, they were able to look past the things like Jar Jar, wooden dialogue from Hayden and Natalie... Because there was a complete story there. And it ended on a strong note with revenge of the sith. The sequels ended on a low note with rise.
many at the time felt like they "ruined" Star Wars with ideas like midi-chlorians, immaculate conception, making the universe tiny by showing ridiculous, unearned cameos left and right, etc.
I'm a bit confused by this one. What unearned cameos are we talking about? I'd say Chewy maybe? If anything the prequels were criticized for not having enough familiar elements.
Same thing will happen with the Disney ones which I view as just as bad as the prequels.
It will be interesting to see for sure. Peoples first introduction into something, often holds a strong nostalgic bond for them. So I'm sure for people like my son, whos first theater experience with star wars was the sequels, will have an attachment to it. Will that attachment be as strong as the prequels? I'm not sure. The prequels had a much more complete story than the sequels. And they also have a much better attachment/connection to the originals than the sequels in my opinion, and that's an advantage as well.
 

Phroobar

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I grew up with dysentery, but nobody gets it any more!
That is because you play too much Oregon Trail.

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Dranth

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While the prequels aren't considered a masterpiece by any means. I don't think it was only kids that grew up with them that changed the narrative. For a lot of people, they were able to look past the things like Jar Jar, wooden dialogue from Hayden and Natalie... Because there was a complete story there. And it ended on a strong note with revenge of the sith. The sequels ended on a low note with rise.
I agree that Sith was better than the first two but, at least in my experience, I see few people outside of those that were teens and under when TPM came out who try to claim these movies were actually good. Personally, TPM was the biggest disappointment I have ever experienced in the theater while Attack of the Clones was the 2nd worst movie I have ever paid money to see.

As for it being a complete story, I half agree. It was certainly more cohesive than the sequels, by a mile, but in addition to the bad dialog, questionable directing and awful acting, there were so many plot holes and what felt like ridiculous leaps one had swallow to enjoy the movie that it felt very jarring to me.

I'm a bit confused by this one. What unearned cameos are we talking about? I'd say Chewy maybe? If anything the prequels were criticized for not having enough familiar elements.
People wanted more of them? Maybe it is just me but every time someone showed up on screen in the prequals who was in the originals it pulled me out of the movie because it made the universe seem so small. Sure, you need Obi-Wan, Anakin and Palpatine to tell the story and Yoda makes sense, but none of the rest needed to be there.

To take it a step further, some of the main cast should have just been a cameo. For example, Anakin doesn't need to be fixing a scrapped C3PO in the first movie. No reason for R2 to just happen to be on Amidala's ship. They should have just been seen in the background when Bail comes into play at most.

Again, small universe syndrome.

It will be interesting to see for sure. Peoples first introduction into something, often holds a strong nostalgic bond for them. So I'm sure for people like my son, whos first theater experience with star wars was the sequels, will have an attachment to it.
Agreed.

Will that attachment be as strong as the prequels? I'm not sure. The prequels had a much more complete story than the sequels. And they also have a much better attachment/connection to the originals than the sequels in my opinion, and that's an advantage as well.
Maybe, but to me the prequals cracked the universe the original created and the sequels just came along and finished the job. Don't get me wrong, the sequels aren't good either, but I would put it roughly on par with the prequals.

As a side note, I tend to believe that The Clone Wars played a big part in the "prequals are actually good" narrative as they did a great job with that series filling in holes in the various relationships and making characters like Anakin much more likeable/relatable than the movie version.
 

erasure fan1

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To take it a step further, some of the main cast should have just been a cameo. For example, Anakin doesn't need to be fixing a scrapped C3PO in the first movie. No reason for R2 to just happen to be on Amidala's ship. They should have just been seen in the background when Bail comes into play at most.
I agree with the why 3po and r2 were there but not that they were there. They were obviously important enough to trust the fate of the rebellion on, so they were close to the people who were important to the story. Chewy wasn't necessary, at all. Thank god we didn't see a young Han. We had to see the twins so that was fine. I thought Bail was needed as well.
As a side note, I tend to believe that The Clone Wars played a big part in the "prequals are actually good" narrative as they did a great job with that series filling in holes in the various relationships and making characters like Anakin much more likeable/relatable than the movie version.
This played a huge part for sure. The question is, will stuff like mando and Ashoka be able to create the same effect on the sequels? I'm not so sure because the sequels are a complete narrative mess. Patching some plot holes and making some characters more likeable is a lot easier than fixing an entire narrative in my opinion.
 

Phroobar

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As a side note, I tend to believe that The Clone Wars played a big part in the "prequals are actually good" narrative as they did a great job with that series filling in holes in the various relationships and making characters like Anakin much more likeable/relatable than the movie version.
Totally agree. The Clone Wars fixed the prequels for me. I would have started with ATOC and made a war movie for the second and finished with ROTS. I would have made the focus about ObiWan and made the Count Dooku character Qui-Gon Jin. How devastating could it have been for Obi Wan to loose both his Master and his Apprentice to the Dark Side.
 

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