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EPCOT-O.G. said:
Why do you keep calling them “leaks,” when it obvious it was a large scale hacking. Unless you’re willingly covering for the North Korean government.
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Because that is what they are, "leaks". And no one is covering anything up. How they were obtained is irrelevant to this discussion. But in common nomenclature a "leak" is information that is exposed either intentionally or unintentionally via unauthorized access and usually made public, also known as a "data breach".

So if you want to be very precise the emails were obtained via a hack of Sony, but then made public via a "leak" of the same on Wikileaks.
 
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erasure fan1 said:
I would have loved to see them try it. Sony is a shell of the company it once was. PlayStation has been the only real bright spot for them. Like I said, you never really know, but I find it hard to believe, after a 3rd failed reboot, they wouldn't have made some sort of deal. Who knows what could have happened, they could have rebooted and it would be fantastic. Personally I doubt it just from looking at every film they've had full control over since the mcu deal started. Heck, people were sceptical about the mcu reboot until they saw civil war. I know I was.

You are 100% right about the quality. But if you look at how the mcu has played out since endgame. Spiderman is the shining star. Sure they had some success with guardians, and strange did ok. But nothing to the success of far from home and no way home. So that's why said it reversed a bit. Because Spidey needed the mcu back then, now, from Sonys eyes, they think they can do it themselves and could be successful on their own again. So it's not that the mcu would be dead without spiderman. But sony undoubtedly thinks the mcu benefits more from Spidey than Spidey benefits from the mcu. I'm not saying they're right, I'm saying that's the mindset of Sony when it comes to negotiations.
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Not sure if SPE currently sees that the MCU "needs" Spidey more than they need the MCU as you lay it out or not, especially after Morbius and Madam Web.

Both studios have had quality issues recently. So really think both studios would benefit from working with each other. In an ideal world SPE would just give up all rights to Spidey and family, but we know that is more than likely not going to happen (at least not fully). So the only thing we can hope for now in my opinion is for them to work together for the betterment of both.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
Why do you keep calling them “leaks,” when it obvious it was a large scale hacking. Unless you’re willingly covering for the North Korean government.
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By definition... they're leaks. The hacked info was leaked.

Not all leaks are accidental.

And some hacks aren't made public, especially in cases of stealing passwords, personal info, and corporate/political espionage.
 
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khlaylav

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MisterPenguin said:
By definition... they're leaks. The hacked info was leaked.

Not all leaks are accidental.

And some hacks aren't made public, especially in cases of stealing passwords, personal info, and corporate/political espionage.
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As another example of this: When Insomniac Games got hacked last year, revealing an absolutely massive amount of info, it was referred to as "leaks." Example from Polygon: Jonathan Weissman, a principal lecturer at Rochester Institute of Technology’s Department of Cybersecurity, told Polygon that the cyberattack and subsequent leaks are “completely unprecedented.”

Kotaku headline: "X-Men games will be Sony Exclusives for more than a decade, leak reveals."

IGN headline: "Insomniac Hackers release stolen data, leak Wolverine videos, future projects and more."

Variety article: "In a statement released Friday morning, Insomniac called the leak 'extremely distressing.'"
 
MisterPenguin

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MoonRakerSCM said:
The writer/producer/showrunner aka heart and soul of the entire thing has just been cancelled by Disney.
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What's been written is written and will be produced.

They have over a year to find a new showrunner (presuming it's successful and warrants more seasons).

There are other people who like the 90s era X-Men.

There are very few projects in which one person is indispensable. Especially in this case in which there is plenty of time to hire a new showrunner for possible future seasons.
 
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MoonRakerSCM said:
The writer/producer/showrunner aka heart and soul of the entire thing has just been cancelled by Disney.
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And they will pretty much use everything he's done, Season 2 is already written for example. And as stated they have plenty of time to find a new "heart and soul" as you call it for any future seasons beyond that if they choose.

The point was that his firing has nothing to do with any issue of quality or lack of confidence in the show.
 
LSLS

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MoonRakerSCM said:
The writer/producer/showrunner aka heart and soul of the entire thing has just been cancelled by Disney.
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True, but I'm not jumping to an issue with quality yet. Even if it is bad (and for the record, I'm beyond excited for this based on the trailers), they'd still want to use him to drum up buzz initially. This smells of something that has nothing to do with the show to me.
 
Tha Realest

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Disney Irish said:
The point was that his firing has nothing to do with any issue of quality or lack of confidence in the show.
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How do you know this to be the case? Disney has not announced why. Either way, losing a lead show runner will affect a series.

Gargoyles, for example, dropped considerably in quality after they changed their show runners and lead writers.
 
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DKampy

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
How do you know this to be the case? Disney has not announced why. Either way, losing a lead show runner will affect a series.

Gargoyles, for example, dropped considerably in quality after they changed their show runners and lead writers.
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There are some rumors as to why and it has nothing to with quality… I don’t know the whole story so I don’t know if I agree or not
 
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EPCOT-O.G. said:
How do you know this to be the case? Disney has not announced why. Either way, losing a lead show runner will affect a series.

Gargoyles, for example, dropped considerably in quality after they changed their show runners and lead writers.
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Because if this has something to do with the show, or even just some perceived quality issue or creative differences, they would have still had him to the Premiere and he wouldn't have had to remove any reference to the show on his social media. As I understand it he even turn off his social media completely. This all indicates a personal issue rather than a show related issue.

As Season 2 is already written they have plenty of time to find a new show runner. We cannot automatically say it'll have a bad, good, or even neutral affect on the show until gets beyond Season 2. For all we know it'll only last 2 seasons and they won't have to worry about it anyways.
 
MisterPenguin

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As a geeky/nerdy youth, I liked watching The X-Men when it originally aired.

In order to prepare myself for the new season, I binged all the past seasons.

And boy... it is... dated.

I mean, there's the cool superpowers and socially conscious themes.

Then there's the bad animation (which, I know was a result of being a Saturday morning cartoon done on the cheap, so, I don't hold that against them). The new series should have better animation with a much bigger budget.

There there's the horrid art style of Liefeld, which the new series seems to be softening, so, that's a plus.

Then the voice work isn't that good. Rogue's voice is annoying with the vocal fry and cracking. I know, they wanted it to be distinct. But go back and listen to how she screams. Sounds like an injured squirrel. It's inhuman (no pun intended.)

Morph had this high pitched annoying giggle.

They get the same people to do the voices of all the 'extras' and they're trying to disguise their voice in various over-the-top ways. But this isn't the only animated series that does that instead of just hiring voice-extras for a day's work (looking at you, Simpsons, and Venture Brothers).

Yes, this was for children, but did they have to dial things up to twelve?

Then all the heroes had to have a weakness of personality trait so they weren't perfect. And all of them, with the exception of Hank, had the same one: Emotional immaturity. So selfish, pouty, enraged, jealous, secretive, harassing, easily offended... etc...

And again, it was supposed to appeal to children who were going through the same issues, but again, didn't need to be dialed up to twelve. It's never like any of them finally got over their immaturity to model mature attitudes and behavior.

And since Hank was the smartest and most emotionally mature... why the Heck was he never put in charge?

Anyway. New show. New opportunity to address these things. I'm eager to give it a chance.
 
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MoonRakerSCM

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What I'm cocnerned about is that he was the force behind creating and making this show... so whatever issues he has causing Disney to completely sever ties with him is intrinsically woven into the show.

This isn't just a face value actor like Gina Carrano being let go, this guy IS the show.
 
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MoonRakerSCM said:
In other news, per Forbes- Eternals 2, Ant-Man 4, and Captain Marvel 3 aka The Marvels 2 are all dead.
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Here is the article, its actually not from Forbes reporting, its attributed to Richtman who is a scooper (but who has also been wrong with his scoops). So while I wouldn't be surprised if its true its still listed in the rumor column.

www.forbes.com

MCU Report: No Eternals 2, Captain Marvel 3, Ant-Man 4 As Disney Gets Risk-Averse

Disney has previously been thought to be scaling back the MCU, which has recently become overloaded with underperforming films in theaters and vastly expensive shows
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 

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