Phroobar
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She didn't do that in this movie? Well, there is your reason for box office failure.
This movie was pretty much The Dead Zone with random super villains mixed in.
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This movie was pretty much The Dead Zone with random super villains mixed in.
Oh, Sony...
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Casper Gutman
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What a bunch of morons.Oh, Sony...
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Phroobar
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I thought it was against the law in Hollywood to have a male-skewing story line.Oh, Sony...
Silk: Spider Society TV Series Reportedly Scraps Writers Room
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Sorry to burst your bubble but Hollywood can have both female and male skewed stories
TP2000
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So this Madame Web that's now a major box office bomb.... Is she officially a Marvel character or not?
Spider-Man has a D Ticket ride and a flying mannequin at DCA's Avenger's Campus, so does that mean Madame Web is there too? Or at least gets mentioned at DCA? How does that work exactly, and how does she fit in?
I get it that Sony will lose lots of money off of Madame Web bombing at the box office, but what does that mean for Marvel and their Spider-Man franchise specifically? Is this a Marvel thing or isn't it? I'm confused.
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Spider-Man has a D Ticket ride and a flying mannequin at DCA's Avenger's Campus, so does that mean Madame Web is there too? Or at least gets mentioned at DCA? How does that work exactly, and how does she fit in?
I get it that Sony will lose lots of money off of Madame Web bombing at the box office, but what does that mean for Marvel and their Spider-Man franchise specifically? Is this a Marvel thing or isn't it? I'm confused.
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‘Madame Web’ Scores Terrible Reviews: Likely Latest Dud In Sony's Marvel Universe
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erasure fan1
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It's not part of the mcu, or the spider verse films or the morbius universe. At least thats what Dakota Johnson said in an interview I saw. It is amazing. Just when you think a super hero film can't get dumped on more than the Marvels. Here comes madam web saying hold my beer. Lol
doctornick
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Is it amazing? Morbius is probably the most skewered comic book film of recent years and this is the same clueless company making this film, for the same stupid reasons...
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_caleb
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Madame Web is a Marvel property, but Sony owns the film rights to all Spider-Man-adjacent characters. This film was not developed or distributed by Disney.
Before anyone cries "superhero fatigue" or whatever, we should acknowledge that crappy superhero films have always bombed at the box office: Ben Affleck's Daredevil, Elektra, Fan4stic, The Dark Phoenix X-Men film, Green Lantern, Catwoman, etc. Some find audiences later on, but usually studios just wait a couple years and try a reboot.
Madame Web seemed like something that might benefit from a Spider-Man halo effect, given the popularity of the MCU's Spider-Men and Sony's Spider-verse. But it looks like that isn't happening.
Before anyone cries "superhero fatigue" or whatever, we should acknowledge that crappy superhero films have always bombed at the box office: Ben Affleck's Daredevil, Elektra, Fan4stic, The Dark Phoenix X-Men film, Green Lantern, Catwoman, etc. Some find audiences later on, but usually studios just wait a couple years and try a reboot.
Madame Web seemed like something that might benefit from a Spider-Man halo effect, given the popularity of the MCU's Spider-Men and Sony's Spider-verse. But it looks like that isn't happening.
So this Madame Web that's now a major box office bomb.... Is she officially a Marvel character or not?
Spider-Man has a D Ticket ride and a flying mannequin at DCA's Avenger's Campus, so does that mean Madame Web is there too? Or at least gets mentioned at DCA? How does that work exactly, and how does she fit in?
I get it that Sony will lose lots of money off of Madame Web bombing at the box office, but what does that mean for Marvel and their Spider-Man franchise specifically? Is this a Marvel thing or isn't it? I'm confused.
Poor Tracking for 'Madame Web' Forecasts What Will Likely Be Marvel's Biggest Bomb Ever
Dakota Johnson movie is pacing to have yet another cold opening for a superhero-themed title. Why that makes the long-form motion-picture format seem even more endangered‘Madame Web’ Scores Terrible Reviews: Likely Latest Dud In Sony's Marvel Universe
“Madame Web” will hit theaters on Wednesday as the fourth installment in the Sony Spider-Man Universe.
1. Before Disney bought Marvel, Marvel sold rights to Spider-Man (and company) to Sony.
2. Sony makes a Spider-Man trilogy with Maguire.
3. Disney buys Marvel
4. Sony rebooted and made what was supposed to be a trilogy with Garfield, but the second one didn't do too well.
5. Spider-Man would be more synergistic (i.e., make more money) if he were part of the MCU, but up until now, he wasn't.
6. Seeing Sony dropping the ball with Spider-Man, Feige offers to have Spider-Man in the MCU and for Marvel (and not Sony) make a new Spider-Man trilogy (Tom Holland) and share the profits. Sony agrees.
7. With Marvel back in control of Spider-Man, Sony attempt to make a thing out of Spider-Man's friends and foes.
8. Sony Makes Venom (did well). Morbius (huge bomb). Venom Carnage (meh). And now, Madame Web (even huger bomb).
9. In the works is Kraven and Venom 2.
10. Sony Makes the Spider-Verse animated movies, and they're very successful.
11. Sony keeps attempting to line up new Spider-adjacent films and they keep falling apart. Even when they re-license Spider-adjacent characters to other studios, it keeps falling apart.
So, you can't peg this on Disney. It's all Sony.
Willmark
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I'm sure Disney is breathing a sight of relief over that.
Why would they???as far I know Disney has never had any plans for Madam Web
doctornick
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Sure.
The one thing I hate about Sony films is that some people conflate them with the MCU and may think that their poor quality reflects on the potential for the MCU. It's one of the reasons I am not happy with the MCU's use of the multi-verse and making some of the FOX and Sony productions "canon" (albeit in alternative worlds). Better to be strict with what is canon and avoid confusion IMHO (and have strict creative control over related products)
Tha Realest
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Morbius and now Madame Web are the only critical and box office stinkers since the association between Sony and Disney began.
The Spider-Man trilogy and Spiderverse films are some of the best reviewed and best performing of recent years. The Venom films did great - the latter one in the Covid era, even.
You could argue they have a pretty good batting average all things considered. Maybe the stink of Ant Man 3 and The Marvels and She-Hulk hurt the anticipation for Madame Web?
MarvelCharacterNerd
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For those who are curious, no, Sony characters (other than Spider-Man himself) do not appear at Avengers Campus. Though at some point I would hope they'd bring Miles Morales and Ghost-Spider when they make their inevitable live action debuts, as they're popular enough characters to merit negotiating them into the MCU.
Moon Girl from the animated series has reappeared in Spidey's old spot in the Hollywood Backlot though. I think due to the second season debut of her show.
Monica Rambeau and Ms. Marvel are still appearing on Campus - they're great and I enjoy visiting with them, but admittedly the only character with equal/less recognition on Campus is Shang-Chi and some people think Shuri is T'Challa or don't know who she is either. People also didn't really recognize Cassie Lang or Kang much either. I think it's a post-Endgame problem as people still scream when they see any of the pre-Endgame characters. (And I mean scream - my ears ring some days. lol)
Still, I'm glad Disney kept the Marvels around through the Disney+ release so those of us who waited to watch the film on streaming could interact with them with a better knowledge of their storyline.
The big question will be if they bring Deadpool to Campus. If they do, I'm guessing it'll just be in a stunt show - hopefully with Wolverine! - rather than a meet & greet. People are already inappropriate with characters - I wouldn't want to see how they treat Deadpool, especially with kids around.
Moon Girl from the animated series has reappeared in Spidey's old spot in the Hollywood Backlot though. I think due to the second season debut of her show.
Monica Rambeau and Ms. Marvel are still appearing on Campus - they're great and I enjoy visiting with them, but admittedly the only character with equal/less recognition on Campus is Shang-Chi and some people think Shuri is T'Challa or don't know who she is either. People also didn't really recognize Cassie Lang or Kang much either. I think it's a post-Endgame problem as people still scream when they see any of the pre-Endgame characters. (And I mean scream - my ears ring some days. lol)
Still, I'm glad Disney kept the Marvels around through the Disney+ release so those of us who waited to watch the film on streaming could interact with them with a better knowledge of their storyline.
The big question will be if they bring Deadpool to Campus. If they do, I'm guessing it'll just be in a stunt show - hopefully with Wolverine! - rather than a meet & greet. People are already inappropriate with characters - I wouldn't want to see how they treat Deadpool, especially with kids around.
Casper Gutman
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You need to be less transparent with your bad faith. This is such an absurd statement it gives the game away. The Venom films were awful - the first had a "so bad its good" quality, the second lacked even that. The two Amazing Spider-Man films were quite bad and the second killed the franchise. More importantly, the string of Spidey-adjacent films that Sony has tried to produce (Aunt May, El Muerte, Nightwatch, etc.), the insights the leaked Sony e-mails provide, and the idiotic ideas Sony execs won't let go (Spidey's super parents, Sinister Six, etc.) show just how incompetent a studio can actually be. They make the MCU look even MORE remarkable by contrast.
Don't you know what "critical" means in the context of film reviews? It means reviews by critics. Morbius and Madam Web weren't the only Sony-Marvel critical stinkers.
Venom
Tomatometer: 30%
Critics Score: 45
Metacritic: 35
Carnage
Tomatometer: 57%
Critics Score: 54
Metacritic: 49
The Amazing Spider-Man reboot with Andrew Garfield are not well regarded with the 2nd’s failure effectively killing the planned trilogy
doctornick
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Amazing Spider-Man 2 was awful and Venon 2 was at best mediocre (Venom really wasn’t that good a film either but at least was entertaining). It wasn’t like Spider-Man 3 or Amazing Spider-Man were all that well regarded either. I’m pretty sure that Sony doesn’t need any help in crafting low expectations for their films.
The Spider-Verse films were excellent but I don’t think anyone thinks of them as connected any live action films. There’s always been a disconnect between animated and live action.
Oh and if you really want to be technical, Sony also made the Ghost Rider films that weren’t any good.
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