Garden Grill restaurant permanently immobile? No.

[epcot2004]

I heard that the entire pavilion is now rotating around the restaurant so technically it is not fixed.

 

[Kman101]

Splash Mountain was in terrible condition until it's big refurb in 2013. LOL, there was no way everything was "perfect" for the last 10 years.

 

[Figment1989]

Good news! We're going there for ADR for the first time on our Honeymoon next month!

 

[kap91]

Wow, I need an excuse to have an opinion on a forum board. How about the fact that it was reported that CMs who worked there said it would not be fixed. Is that enough of an "excuse", Oh Mighty Judge?
I guess to some people "temporary" could mean anything, since more than three months went by until this was fixed. Is the Yeti just temporarily out of order, too? After all, it's only been years, and they could fix it "someday."

I think it's pretty clear that the yeti will be fixed eventually - operations just doesn't want to shut down 1 of 2 headliner attractions for a year or more until there's something else for the crowds to do. And 3 months seems pretty responsive if the reports of what the problem was were correct. I doubt they have a spare drive mechanism for a 30 year old restaurant just hanging around.

The above quote in red completely destroys any credibility you hope to gain by complaining about posters here fearing this effect would not be fixed. The problems with Splash prior to its most recent refurbishment have been documented quite well on this very site. Simply put, by bringing up Splash you justify the fears of those who doubted this would be fixed due to TDO cost/benefit calculations. At the same time by commenting that Splash has been in perfect working order with all effects, you've proved you're no Sherlock Holmes when it comes to powers of observation.

Because loads of people that watch the same bundle of YouTube videos and comment on them again and again somehow creates "documentation". As I said before, something might be broken on a specific day - it doesn't mean it's broken all the time - but if a video is made and posted that impression is created. And of what of all the people still complaining about the "deplorable" state of splash. I repeat - everything was working just a week ago. The only thing I've ever seen not work since the early 2000's are the jumping fountains. Which hardly constitutes "deplorable". If the criticism was directed to before that time period then sure I might begin to agree- that's when rabbit on a stick was permanently off and multiple aa's didn't work but no, apparently that's the golden age of maintenance compared to now. Sorry, don't see it. I'd much prefer what we have now till then. Everything is constantly repainted and refurbished at an almost annoying rate and lights don't go out on ms. But apparently I'm deluded or snorting pixie dust - cause WDW can't possibly have decent maintenance.

 

[Wrangler-Rick]

And there are equally are hundreds of effects and features that people assume are gone forever and in fact aren't. And furthermore the seemingly "common knowledge" now that anything that breaks at WDW is never fixed. Which is flat out wrong. Case in point: Splash Mountain. People are always complaining that it's a shell, in horrible condition etc. etc. Just rode last week and everything was working fine. Same as every time I've ridden it in the past ten years.

Yes there are issues, particularly with the Yeti (which has legitimate operations reasons at this point for holding off on repair), Dinosaur, Ellen's Energy Adventure, maybe a few other things, but my frustration comes from people constantly harping on any and every little thing that happens for however brief a time, automatically jumping to the worst conclusions, when 98% of the time they are addressed and quickly.

I mean, we have dozens lamenting popcorn or ice cream on the floor of the monorail as evidence of declining standards. That's evidence of obnoxious guests. Really? What is Disney supposed to do - come in with Mr. Clean at every stop and delay departure for 2 minutes to clean?

Does that mean the blue bird at the end is once again working?

 

[WDWDad13]

Ahem........Yeti.......cough....cough.



Seriously though, this isn't exactly rocket science. OF COURSE they were going to fix it. Does anyone here want to take a guess on how many cancellations would come if the main selling point of this place was MIA? It's already been happening, as people have been reporting on numerous sites, including FB and Tripadvisor about the issue. Disney was forced to fix this, whether they wanted to or not. But when you have things like the Yeti, which aren't the focal point, they can afford to just let it slide and flip to plan B.

I see what you did there... but last I checked, I don't see Expedition Everest as a walk on and people not riding it because the yeti used to move. It was awesome when it did... but it happens so fast, well...what is there today still works too...just isn't as good as before for those of us who experienced it. For those who experience it for the first time today could care less...they still love it.

 

[WDWDad13]

The above quote in red completely destroys any credibility you hope to gain by complaining about posters here fearing this effect would not be fixed. The problems with Splash prior to its most recent refurbishment have been documented quite well on this very site. Simply put, by bringing up Splash you justify the fears of those who doubted this would be fixed due to TDO cost/benefit calculations. At the same time by commenting that Splash has been in perfect working order with all effects, you've proved you're no Sherlock Holmes when it comes to powers of observation.

there are A LOT of moving parts in Splash Mountain... so yeah it's gonna have problems... however I rode it twice 2-3 weeks ago and everything was actually working both times that I could tell.

 

[xdan0920]

It cracks me up at all the "sky is falling people" that freaked out over this and the missing track piece on Everest. Can't wait to hear the excuses as to why y'all jumped off the deep end.

Why do you think?

 

[xdan0920]

And there are equally are hundreds of effects and features that people assume are gone forever and in fact aren't. And furthermore the seemingly "common knowledge" now that anything that breaks at WDW is never fixed. Which is flat out wrong. Case in point: Splash Mountain. People are always complaining that it's a shell, in horrible condition etc. etc. Just rode last week and everything was working fine. Same as every time I've ridden it in the past ten years.

Yes there are issues, particularly with the Yeti (which has legitimate operations reasons at this point for holding off on repair), Dinosaur, Ellen's Energy Adventure, maybe a few other things, but my frustration comes from people constantly harping on any and every little thing that happens for however brief a time, automatically jumping to the worst conclusions, when 98% of the time they are addressed and quickly.

I mean, we have dozens lamenting popcorn or ice cream on the floor of the monorail as evidence of declining standards. That's evidence of obnoxious guests. Really? What is Disney supposed to do - come in with Mr. Clean at every stop and delay departure for 2 minutes to clean?

You think spilled Ice Cream is the problem with the Monorail cabins? Really?

 

[kap91]

You think spilled Ice Cream is the problem with the Monorail cabins? Really?

Obviously no, but it seems like the majority do and that's my point. The hyperbole and overreaction to everything is what drives me batty.

I'm aware of the mold issues and occasional upholstery issues. I can't deny they happen-there's photos to prove it. However, again these issues are addressed quickly. The cabins are in fine condition nearly every time I ride, and that is quite often. It'd be nice to have new ones but that's a separate argument - and probably sooner down the road than later.

 

[Kman101]

Blind loyalty does them no favors. It encourages them to leave things broken and proves their point that "most people don't notice".

I think you'd be surprised at what people DO notice.

Things aren't really "fine" though. I was in the monorail last month, several times, for several day visits, and I saw mold. There shouldn't be ripped and faded seating for months and years on end. It speaks to a bigger problem. So, that right there is why some act like the sky is falling. Are certain things overreacted upon? Oh heck yes and it is ridiculous, but like I've said, the real question and problem is why it's gotten to the point where people don't expect anything to get fixed. So instead of going batty over who says what, hold Disney accountable for the impression they've given that nothing gets fixed. I don't believe most posters just woke up one day and decided Disney was awful and terrible and they can't do anything right.

And I can assure you, I enjoy going to the parks and do not intentionally seek out problems.

 

[Fe Maiden]

ahhh what the heck, here's an incredibly boring video of the rotation taken tonight.

https://vidd.me/p4x

After watching your video I think I'm less convinced that it's rotating.

 

[xdan0920]

Obviously no, but it seems like the majority do and that's my point. The hyperbole and overreaction to everything is what drives me batty.

I'm aware of the mold issues and occasional upholstery issues. I can't deny they happen-there's photos to prove it. However, again these issues are addressed quickly. The cabins are in fine condition nearly every time I ride, and that is quite often. It'd be nice to have new ones but that's a separate argument - and probably sooner down the road than later.

This is flat out untrue.

The Monorail cabins are a disaster. It's not even really something subjective. They are objectively a disaster. They haven't been addressed.

 

[muteki]

Glad to see it turning again.

Surprising that it was supposedly down for so long and it wasn't reported until recently. WDW Action News 6 is really getting sketchy.

 

[kap91]

Blind loyalty does them no favors. It encourages them to leave things broken and proves their point that "most people don't notice".

I think you'd be surprised at what people DO notice.

I'm not arguing for blind loyalty...if you want that read a Universal thread. I'm arguing against that mindset that every temporary hiccup is a disaster spelling the end of days. The people that purposely seek out examples to further their false narrative - like that Disney vs. Universal food thread that was putting a kids meal at cosmic rays against a pricey gourmet steak dish at universal. I see those kinds of fallacies, blind repetition of things that aren't true or are here-say. (Sp?) I'm all for pointing out things that are wrong - but not with the "sky-is-falling" attitude with which it is done now. It just draws attention away from the issues that do actually matter.

 

[kap91]

This is flat out untrue.

The Monorail cabins are a disaster. It's not even really something subjective. They are objectively a disaster. They haven't been addressed.

How is a clean cabin with in-tact upholstery and working lighting a disaster? Because it gets warm on a 100 degree day?

 

[xdan0920]

How is a clean cabin with in-tact upholstery and working lighting a disaster? Because it gets warm on a 100 degree day?

Alright. If you think the Monorail Cabins are in good shape, I am fighting a battle I can't win. Buh-bye.

 

[kap91]

I've said, the real question and problem is why it's gotten to the point where people don't expect anything to get fixed. So instead of going batty over who says what, hold Disney accountable for the impression they've given that nothing gets fixed. I don't believe most posters just woke up one day and decided Disney was awful and terrible and they can't do anything right.

But aside from the Yeti it isn't Disney creating that impression. It's the posters here that keep repeating it. And it kind of seems like they did. When I joined here things had been much worse and there was much less talk about it. Then Harry potter opens and suddenly everyone thinks maintenance at Disney has become terrible when it's only gotten better (in general).

 

[Kman101]

I'm not arguing for blind loyalty...if you want that read a Universal thread. I'm arguing against that mindset that every temporary hiccup is a disaster spelling the end of days. The people that purposely seek out examples to further their false narrative - like that Disney vs. Universal food thread that was putting a kids meal at cosmic rays against a pricey gourmet steak dish at universal. I see those kinds of fallacies, blind repetition of things that aren't true or are here-say. (Sp?) I'm all for pointing out things that are wrong - but not with the "sky-is-falling" attitude with which it is done now. It just draws attention away from the issues that do actually matter.

Very true about Universal. My god, you can't say ANYTHING about them before you are ripped. Not everything at Uni is perfect, as much as I love what they are doing there.

I'm over the constant comparisons between Uni and Disney and now it seems everything is just wonderful at Uni. Um, no. They're doing great things but some if it really has become blind loyalty.

And I agree totally about folks acting like the sky is falling with certain things. The Everest track thread is a perfect example. I mean, really, who truly thought it wouldn't come back? Of course it would.

In the case of the topic, Garden Grill, I do think some of it was justified because of so called cast members stating it would never be fixed. How else should someone react to that? I agree, just wait and see, but that's not really the way most people think.

 

[xdan0920]

But aside from the Yeti it isn't Disney creating that impression. It's the posters here that keep repeating it.

I am not going to do the work for you. But, search for @marni1971 he has made a few VERY comprehensive lists of broken/removed effects. Saying it's JUST the Yeti is patently ridiculous.