Consumer
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So is Mickey Mouse.
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Galaxy's Edge: History, Current State, and Future
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Professortango1
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Mickey is a cartoon that still has stuff coming out. Vader and Luke were live-action characters from a series that is about 50-years old. It would be like having Robert Downey Jr's Iron Man walking around in Avengers Campus in the year 2060.
I don't need to see modern day Chad Vader with Vader working a theme park.
zipadee999
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They’re iconic. It doesn’t matter how old they are. There’s a reason they’re both still pop culture phenoms. There’s also a reason old man luke is almost universally disliked and will be forgotten in ten years with the rest of the sequels. Even Mark Hammil didn’t like old man Luke. It’s cool if you happen to be an enjoyer of the sequels but saying that teens and kids find Luke and Vader ancient and irrelevant is just not true. They’re the faces of Star Wars, and without them, it’s not Star Wars!
Rogue One, Battlefront, Fallen Order, Jedi: Survivor, Kenobi, the Clone Wars, etc are more popular than ever with the young generations. They all revolve around characters from ‘classic Star Wars’ and are a testament to the lasting power of George Lucas’s original vision. Teens love the prequels more than ever and many don’t even acknowledge the sequel trilogy as canon (myself included). This love of the prequel trilogy also translates to a love of the original trilogy, especially the holdover characters present in both like Kenobi and Anakin/Vader.
Even if not Luke, the younger generation widely holds Vader as one of if not the greatest characters in cinematic history. This may be partly due to their love of the prequels and all of the Anakin edits on Tik Tok, but those legacy charters are certainly not irrelevant.
Professortango1
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I'm sorry, but Hammil is a mediocre actor who got cast in a major franchise, I don't really care about his insights into a character. Old Man Luke was the best acting he has ever done and is the most compelling story arc we got with Luke.
The 7th graders I teach know more about Rey and Kylo Ren than Luke and Vader.
Too Many Hats
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I didn’t even realize they did that. I imagine that’d be disappointing, given how challenging it can be to secure a reservation.
mickEblu
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I agree the communal tables make it a No Go for me especially since we’re always there with the kids. I don’t mind engaging with strangers. I just don’t like when it’s forced. When it happens around the park its because I chose to or something unique/ funny/ spontaneous happens. Still not as awkward as sitting next to a single rider on Space Mountain though. I’ll die on that hill.
PiratesMansion
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For what the opinion of a non-Star Wars watcher is worth:
-Smugglers sucks. While new missions would help, I'm not sure they alone would solve the problem that if you're not a pilot, you're not doing a whole lot, but you still can't really disengage and just watch the film either. It's an expensive, redundant nothingburger of an attraction that I imagine few find truly satisfying. Not to mention that you are forced to think about the strangers riding with you on Smuggler's in a way that you aren't on other attractions, and heaven forbid you end up with a few people who treat the ride like it's serious business paired together with a few people who just want to come in and sit down. It feels like no one really thought through significant portions of the attraction experience.
-Rise needs to be open until midnight. I understand that it's probably closing early because that gives them necessary time to do maintenance on an ILL attraction that they're probably determined to not take down at any cost, but let's face it: it's the only thing most people care about in the land. So no wonder the land dies at night-no reason to make the effort to go back there without the key ride being operational.
-Something interesting to look at and/or kinetic energy. There are probably situations where it's quicker than I'm anticipating to use GE to cut through/across the park, but that never occurs to me because there's no energy or atmosphere like elsewhere in the park. No reason to walk back there on its own. It's all visually impressive but color palate-wise and aesthetically, it's all a bit samey and all blends together after awhile. Maybe some of the sights mean something to people who have watched every second of every Star Wars thing ever made, but it's all lost on me.
-More things to do that a) don't cost money, b) are accessible to people who don't know didly squat about Star Wars, and c) add capacity. It takes up entirely too much land to offer two attractions, some upcharges, (?), and a restaurant. There are entire amusement parks that could fit in the space of GE that have over twenty attractions on offer. Obviously not a 1:1 situation necessarily, but still, there's so much space and so little of it feels well-utilized for a park that has so little space. In comparison to the rest of the park, it feels reckless.
-Connect it to Toontown. Seriously. It'd be weird for a bit as people got used to it, and it'd have to be a heck of a transition to pull it off (or maybe it wouldn't have to be-the transitions between areas at DL are more sudden than other castle parks), but it would really help both areas lively and spread out the crowds. If they're integrated together, they'll both feel more like they're part of the park and not these weird islands that distract from everything else in the way both areas sometimes feel now. This would also help solve the problem that:
-GE doesn't feel like part of the park. I don't know how to solve this (though connecting to TT would help), but in screening it off from the rest of the park so intentionally, in an effort to minimze the effects on the historic core of DL, I think they did their job a little too well. It's easy to forget about GE in the park because you have to go out of your way to get to it, and literally nothing else will call your attention to the area if you don't walk there-no train spiels, no signs, nothing. If you don't grab a map or glance at the app, you could miss the area entirely. And even if they fixed those, the scale of the area is just so different from what's in DL proper that it'd be difficult to ever totally fix the disparity in scale.
And yeah, ditch the timeline and the arbitrary 'rules' of GE that make it different from everything else. No one cares, and no one will die if they see a Visa logo or see a walkaround Luke or whatever. They're worrying about the most trivial of details and not the stuff that matters.
-Smugglers sucks. While new missions would help, I'm not sure they alone would solve the problem that if you're not a pilot, you're not doing a whole lot, but you still can't really disengage and just watch the film either. It's an expensive, redundant nothingburger of an attraction that I imagine few find truly satisfying. Not to mention that you are forced to think about the strangers riding with you on Smuggler's in a way that you aren't on other attractions, and heaven forbid you end up with a few people who treat the ride like it's serious business paired together with a few people who just want to come in and sit down. It feels like no one really thought through significant portions of the attraction experience.
-Rise needs to be open until midnight. I understand that it's probably closing early because that gives them necessary time to do maintenance on an ILL attraction that they're probably determined to not take down at any cost, but let's face it: it's the only thing most people care about in the land. So no wonder the land dies at night-no reason to make the effort to go back there without the key ride being operational.
-Something interesting to look at and/or kinetic energy. There are probably situations where it's quicker than I'm anticipating to use GE to cut through/across the park, but that never occurs to me because there's no energy or atmosphere like elsewhere in the park. No reason to walk back there on its own. It's all visually impressive but color palate-wise and aesthetically, it's all a bit samey and all blends together after awhile. Maybe some of the sights mean something to people who have watched every second of every Star Wars thing ever made, but it's all lost on me.
-More things to do that a) don't cost money, b) are accessible to people who don't know didly squat about Star Wars, and c) add capacity. It takes up entirely too much land to offer two attractions, some upcharges, (?), and a restaurant. There are entire amusement parks that could fit in the space of GE that have over twenty attractions on offer. Obviously not a 1:1 situation necessarily, but still, there's so much space and so little of it feels well-utilized for a park that has so little space. In comparison to the rest of the park, it feels reckless.
-Connect it to Toontown. Seriously. It'd be weird for a bit as people got used to it, and it'd have to be a heck of a transition to pull it off (or maybe it wouldn't have to be-the transitions between areas at DL are more sudden than other castle parks), but it would really help both areas lively and spread out the crowds. If they're integrated together, they'll both feel more like they're part of the park and not these weird islands that distract from everything else in the way both areas sometimes feel now. This would also help solve the problem that:
-GE doesn't feel like part of the park. I don't know how to solve this (though connecting to TT would help), but in screening it off from the rest of the park so intentionally, in an effort to minimze the effects on the historic core of DL, I think they did their job a little too well. It's easy to forget about GE in the park because you have to go out of your way to get to it, and literally nothing else will call your attention to the area if you don't walk there-no train spiels, no signs, nothing. If you don't grab a map or glance at the app, you could miss the area entirely. And even if they fixed those, the scale of the area is just so different from what's in DL proper that it'd be difficult to ever totally fix the disparity in scale.
And yeah, ditch the timeline and the arbitrary 'rules' of GE that make it different from everything else. No one cares, and no one will die if they see a Visa logo or see a walkaround Luke or whatever. They're worrying about the most trivial of details and not the stuff that matters.
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DrAlice
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We got in as just a walk-up last summer. There was no line and we walked right in. That's where the good part of the story ends.
We were placed at the end of a stand-up table next to another party that was already eating. We stood there for about 10 minutes and NO ONE came around to take an order or acknowledge that we were there. We gave up and left.
At least we saw what it looks like on the inside once. We won't be back.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think that they should build an indoor battle of Endor…
Seriously…banked turns/loops on a star field…then a drop into a tunnel like the reactor…
Hyperspace jump/powered launch…some close near misses up top…reactor blow…then a “celebration room” serves as the unload…
Who says no?
You get a pumping sound system in there with somekind of a HUD that shows the chatter and lays down Johnny Williams soundtrack…
Oh yeah…they own all this stuff. If they did that…they then actually need to rip out the trees and benches for the lines
But no…Fatuu…land where dreams die instead
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The place is AWFUL…and it’s not like I’m the “wheelhouse” kind of Star Wars addict or anything…collecting and trading Kenner at shows and via newspaper ads prior to the internet…
…nope…not me
Professortango1
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Would need a pretty massive show building. And why base the ride off of the worst film in the original trilogy?I think that they should build an indoor battle of Endor…
Seriously…banked turns/loops on a star field…then a drop into a tunnel like the reactor…
Hyperspace jump/powered launch…some close near misses up top…reactor blow…then a “celebration room” serves as the unload…
Who says no?
You get a pumping sound system in there with somekind of a HUD that shows the chatter and lays down Johnny Williams soundtrack…
Oh yeah…they own all this stuff. If they did that…they then actually need to rip out the trees and benches for the lines
But no…Fatuu…land where dreams die instead
Consumer
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Return of the Jedi is peak Star Wars. People can whine about the Ewoks and there being another Death Star, but ESB doesn’t work if RotJ didn’t stick the landing.
Professortango1
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Return is a disjointed mess of a movie with the first 1/4 devoted to finishing the storyline from the previous film without it contributing in any way to the events of the rest of the film. They also turned Solo into a bumbling fool because they didn't know what to do with him.
That being said, I'd dig a speeder bike attraction over an X-Wing Space Mountain.
But yes, RotJ is in my bottom 3 films. Right alongside Rise of Skywalker and Attack of the Clones.
mickEblu
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A speeder bike and X-Wing coaster both sound amazing to me. If DL Forward doesn’t get one of the two it’s a failure. I think the Speederbike coaster is easier to pull off. It’s hard for me to imagine the scale of those Death Star set pieces required to pull off the X-Wing coaster.
Hell the Battle on Hoth would be awesome ride. Slap us in a T-47 and hang on. Buzzing around AT AT's legs strafing over Stormtroopers, maybe having to tangle with some Imperial Spy droids etc. Falcon buzzing in to help out then you land back at the base. 1000 times better than Smugglers Run. I do love Hondo.
Professortango1
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The problem is space. Coasters take up a ton of room, especially if you are trying to have it contain show scenes. I'd hate to get a Seven Dwarves/Oaken Sled coaster that is 30 seconds long, contains no thrills, and only looks good to those walking by.
mickEblu
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Definitely don’t want one of those. If they’re going to do one more coaster for DLR (which is my bet) they just need to go all out.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Because it’s not even close to the worst
Maybe worst of the original 3…but they’re on a different plane
But to answer the question directly: Jedi was not the best story…but the look, feel, production design did as much to lock in the “feel” of Star Wars that got it through/grew the legend during 15 years of nothing
One of my old standpoint side arguments
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It’s not nearly the best story of the 3…
But I think the feel is the best/most lasting…and it gave the fans all the fist bumps needed for years after empire provided the depth…
And you know where fan service really matters? Amusement parks…
That’s why you do it there. It’s not Shakespeare in the park
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
What’s been missing all theses years with Star Wars rides is Isaac Newton
The best Star Wars ride - don’t laugh - is hyper space mountain.
Because nothing has ever replaced gravity and speed.
So they built two jerky sims and an overblown dark ride to truly terrible IP.
I get star tours…I even get the others some…
But collectively they’re missing…balls…for lack of a better term