GAC to Become DAS

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Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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MichWolv said:
I generally agree. I do worry about the "carefully planned" point. The disability I'm most familiar with is autism, because my older boy has mild symptoms. While we've never gotten a GAC, I know of others whose symptoms are certainly significant enough to warrant one. However, "planning" is exactly what they cannot do, because a meltdown can happen at any moment and last for any amount of time (sometimes requiring leaving the park for hours). It would be a shame if the DAS wound up being too restrictive to help such children. These are the families that actually need to be able to ride during the times the child is calm and happy and would have troubling planning ahead effectively.
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We will just have to wait and see how it unfolds, It might not be as bad as is being thought. :)
 
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arko

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flynnibus said:
Basically they are saying accomodations provided by THEIR merit, not the law, they can decide how the system works. Certainly true, but would be a nightmare in both customer service and legality. It opens them up to the notion that 'if the better perk is available, it should be a reasonable accomodation as well'... so by excluding someone from that 'better' system... they've basically just screamed to be sued under ADA provisions.

In that same grain... by 'reducing' accessibility to a degree Disney has exposed themselves to the same risk here. But there is alot of things Disney could do to argue why the old system was not sustainable. If you offer two systems... its a lot harder to argue one is not viable if you are doing it every day :)

I'm also curious who you called.. since there is no 'ADA' entity in itself. Just people in the DOJ and local jurisdictions responsible for interpreting the ADA and publishing things.
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I'm not saying they should, just that her interpretation was that they could, despite what many of us believed.


And I called the ADA infoline

The Department of Justice operates a toll-free ADA Information Line to provide information and materials to the public about the requirements of the ADA.

ADA Specialists, who assist callers in understanding how the ADA applies to their situation, are available on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday from 9:30 a.m. until 5:30 p.m. (Eastern Time) and on Thursday from 12:30 p.m. until 5:30 p.m. (Eastern Time). Calls are confidential.

To get answers to technical questions, obtain general ADA information, order free ADA materials, or ask about filing a complaint, please call:

800-514-0301 (voice);

800-514-0383 (TTY)

http://www.ada.gov/infoline.htm
 
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arko

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I would say the following:

And in Cali... the problem is annual passholders use it like a frequent traveler card. Families use it blatantly every weekend just so they don't have to wait.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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flynnibus said:
I would appreciate it if you don't edit my posts to appear to say something they do not.
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I don't think you have to worry about people thinking you said something because of a partial quote.

Anyone that wants to have an intelligent conversation will read your original quote before replying to a quoted quote.
 
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Goofyernmost

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unkadug said:
I don't think you have to worry about people thinking you said something because of a partial quote.

Anyone that wants to have am intelligent conversation will read your original quote before replying to a quoted quote.
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Especially one that says "Fixed that for you", but it really depends on the intensity and seriousness of the discussion. A serious conversation is not the place to put words in where they don't belong. Sometimes the original post is next to impossible to find. There are 350 posts on this thread and they could be quoting something from page one. I don't know about you, but, I don't have the time or energy to read through all those posts to find the original. Imagine doing one on a thread that is 9000+ posts. It is best not to change anyone's wording and call it a quote. Cause once you change it...it no longer is a quote.
 
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arko

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minninedaisy74 said:
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Do some of you realize that all children can have melt downs ? So then why should the family with kid who has a bratty meltdown be at a disdvantage park touring wise then the child whose melt down is due to a mental disability? We have left the park several times because my kids for whatever reason couldn't keep it together causing us to experience less magic but I didn't look to Disney fix it.
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I would kill for my kid to just have regular meltdowns. There is no comparision between an autistic meltdown and a a neurotypical childs meltdown.
 
lazyboy97o

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Goofyernmost said:
Sometimes the original post is next to impossible to find. There are 350 posts on this thread and they could be quoting something from page one. I don't know about you, but, I don't have the time or energy to read through all those posts to find the original.
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The arrow next to the quoted name brings you to the quoted post.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Goofyernmost said:
Especially one that says "Fixed that for you", but it really depends on the intensity and seriousness of the discussion. A serious conversation is not the place to put words in where they don't belong. Sometimes the original post is next to impossible to find. There are 350 posts on this thread and they could be quoting something from page one. I don't know about you, but, I don't have the time or energy to read through all those posts to find the original. Imagine doing one on a thread that is 9000+ posts. It is best not to change anyone's wording and call it a quote. Cause once you change it...it no longer is a quote.
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True, but you can always click the little arrow by the name and it will take you DIRECTLY to the quoted quote.

oops...someone beat me to it..... (in my best Emily Latella voice "NEVERMIND")
 
stevehousse

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No matter what, whether your child is handicapped or normal, learning patience is essential to any young childs' mentality. I like the new system as it will limit the scamming possibilities greatly. I understand that some people are upset about the changes, but if you play it smart and utilize the new fp+ and the new DAS system together, you will not have a problem seeing te park, or not seeing enough as people have claimed on here.

No one likes change, but we deal with it on a regular basic in life and as a parent it's your job to teach kids about change and patience, now I know that might e a little harder or more challenging to a kid with special needs, but getting upset because you say your kid can't wait 5-10 minutes in line for a ride is insane!?! I think that kind of thinking stems from the parents more than the child in question. Also, what good are you teaching your child that they should get everything they want right then and there? You are only enabling that kind of behavior instead of correcting it!
 
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arko

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Tom Morrow said:
many of you keep assuming that a system that allows anyone who asks to get a card that, in the wrong hands, acts as an "unlimited Fastpass" is the only way, but it obviously isn't, because Disney IS changing to a stricter policy that still accommodates the needs of the disabled. There is really no point in even arguing this. It's going to happen! I also don't see how any of you can say "it won't stop any abuse!" Really? It pretty much eliminates ALL of the advantage while still allowing those with disabilities to not physically have to wait in lines. You have to register and sign documents now and get your picture taken rather than just walking in to guest relations and lying and being handed a card. These changes alone will eliminate 90% of the scammers, and those who will still make the effort to get a card will no longer be able to use it as an unlimited Fastpass.

Remember that the new procedure is nothing more than a more secure way of doing what essentially every other theme park does.

And those of you who keep insisting that the abuse isn't that big of a deal, let me re-iterate a few things. Disney will have to spend money on new guest relations positions, new card processing equipment and whatever else, as well as re-training EVERY SINGLE CM on the new procedures. Disney P&R isn't exactly known for spending money where they don't have to, so obviously they feel the abuse is enough of a problem to warrant all of this extra spending and effort.
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It accommodates the needs of some of the disabled, those that benefited from the flexibility of the GAC the most will be the most negatively affected. How much is really down to each families situation. But yes it is still above and beyond just not as much.

Also the MiceAge article simply mentions that the card will have the person's picture on it. There is no mention of signing paperwork or showing ID. It will take a bit of time but someone will get one when they don't need it and get away with it. Once that happens they will spread it around how to do it, and before long it will be abused just like the current system. Again the abuse will amount to less because the card is more restricted, but just wait until everyone is limited to 3 fastpasses a day, the DAS will look pretty good even if it isn't unlimited.
 
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