Fun With Numbers: MK Maingate Blackout Edition

[PhotoDave219]

OKAY.... here's a nasty rumor that no one wants to have come true.....

There's a solid rumor that they are considering adding Winter/Summer Comp Tickets to the blockout list.

 

[ford91exploder]

OKAY.... here's a nasty rumor that no one wants to have come true.....

There's a solid rumor that they are considering adding Winter/Summer Comp Tickets to the blockout list.

Sounds right for Today's Disney

 

[Nubs70]

I would love to know that as well.

Because I believe cast and main gates to be a statistically insignificant to overall attendance.

And if that's true, then management is just screwing the employees.

If CM's utilize MagicBands, their spending habits cab be tracked. If so, analysts could see, along with free admission, CM's do not spend as much as a paying admission. Therefore, a CM non paying admission costs WDW money.

Kind of like your relative and family of 5 show up to your $35 per plate reception and drop a card with $50 in the card box.

 

[PhotoDave219]

If CM's utilize MagicBands, their spending habits cab be tracked. If so, analysts could see, along with free admission, CM's do not spend as much as a paying admission. Therefore, a CM non paying admission costs WDW money.

Kind of like your relative and family of 5 show up to your $35 per plate reception and drop a card with $50 in the card box.

Whether they spend anything or not, it's part of their employee benefits.

You should be able to use them.

 

[Nubs70]

Whether they spend anything or not, it's part of their employee benefits.

You should be able to use them.

I agree, if offered the tickets should be used. Nice side benefits like this are also easy targets for optimizers. Remember Value Stream Mapping, a non admission paying guest is less desirable than an admission paying guest. VSM sees non admission paying guest as a lost opportunity cost of $105/head.

If there are 240,000 possible non paying admissions, VSM sees this as an opportunity cost of $25.2MM.

 

[1023]

If CM's utilize MagicBands, their spending habits cab be tracked. If so, analysts could see, along with free admission, CM's do not spend as much as a paying admission. Therefore, a CM non paying admission costs WDW money.

Kind of like your relative and family of 5 show up to your $35 per plate reception and drop a card with $50 in the card box.

Not necessarily. Admissions granted by the company to employees doesn't cost them anything. The attractions they might enjoy, were going to be operating anyway. So were the shows they might attend. The fireworks and parades would still be conducted whether of not they were there. There actual occupancy may have only increased lines for these things and very nominally at that.

If their actual attendance is only due to the admission being free in the first place, any dollar they spend inside the parks, they wouldn't have had in the second place. The people paying admission spent money to get in and may spend more money overall but the employee entering the park free, spends money inside that they (Disney) would or may not have gotten.

I refuse to look at people's presence at my wedding in a crass way. They would not have been there if I had not wanted them there. If I were soliciting them for money to start my married life, (which I wouldn't) I would ask them to contribute to that cause and get my license and simple ceremony at the courthouse. While I do get what you were trying to say, I would hope the motivation to invite family or friends to a wedding wasn't a financial grab.

*1023*

 

[PhotoDave219]

I agree, if offered the tickets should be used. Nice side benefits like this are also easy targets for optimizers. Remember Value Stream Mapping, a non admission paying guest is less desirable than an admission paying guest. VSM sees non admission paying guest as a lost opportunity cost of $105/head.

If there are 240,000 possible non paying admissions, VSM sees this as an opportunity cost of $25.2MM.

But we're talking 3-5% of daily admissions are made up of cast members. S0 based on last years estimates, 53000 average daily attendance so 2600-2700 people MAX.

Plus youre not losing money, its part of people's employment compensation.

If we were talking 240,000, I totally see your point. But we're talking 5% max, maybe 3000 people at the upper limit. And its part of the compensation package for working for WDW.

Now of course the Red Pass (Golden Oaks/Corporate Alliances/VIP) passes and the Gold Pass (Company VIP/Executives) aren't effected.

Its just the working stiffs who are.

 

[Nubs70]

Not necessarily. Admissions granted by the company to employees doesn't cost them anything. The attractions they might enjoy, were going to be operating anyway. So were the shows they might attend. The fireworks and parades would still be conducted whether of not they were there. There actual occupancy may have only increased lines for these things and very nominally at that.

If their actual attendance is only due to the admission being free in the first place, any dollar they spend inside the parks, they wouldn't have had in the second place. The people paying admission spent money to get in and may spend more money overall but the employee entering the park free, spends money inside that they (Disney) would or may not have gotten.

I refuse to look at people's presence at my wedding in a crass way. They would not have been there if I had not wanted them there. If I were soliciting them for money to start my married life, (which I wouldn't) I would ask them to contribute to that cause and get my license and simple ceremony at the courthouse. While I do get what you were trying to say, I would hope the motivation to invite family or friends to a wedding wasn't a financial grab.

*1023*

I am not saying the mind of a VSM optimized is entirely rational, but this how they work.

As to the reception example, when I go I make sure I at least cover the cost of me being there. I do not like to think I would be a financial burden on the newlyweds.

At my wedding reception, my cousin, a lawyer, and his 4 family members left $50 and a card. They put me out $55. Granted its been 21years, but still grinds me.

 

[Nubs70]

But we're talking 3-5% of daily admissions are made up of cast members. S0 based on last years estimates, 53000 average daily attendance so 2600-2700 people MAX.

Plus youre not losing money, its part of people's employment compensation.

If we were talking 240,000, I totally see your point. But we're talking 5% max, maybe 3000 people at the upper limit. And its part of the compensation package for working for WDW.

Now of course the Red Pass (Golden Oaks/Corporate Alliances/VIP) passes and the Gold Pass (Company VIP/Executives) aren't effected.

Its just the working stiffs who are.

Oops, when I speak of 240,000, I am working off a yearly basis.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Oops, when I speak of 240,000, I am working off a yearly basis.

Ahhhhh. I'm looking at daily.

Alas..... its part of the compensation package. I fully support blocking out the holidays, spring break and christmas. Beyond that, there's no real rational or mathematical reason to do this that I've found.

Other than that it seems to be a George Kalagritis thing as he did something similar out in Disneyland when he was out there.

 

[Nubs70]

Ahhhhh. I'm looking at daily.

Alas..... its part of the compensation package. I fully support blocking out the holidays, spring break and christmas. Beyond that, there's no real rational or mathematical reason to do this that I've found.

Other than that it seems to be a George Kalagritis thing as he did something similar out in Disneyland when he was out there.

The 3-5% of non paying admissions dilutes Per Capita Guest Spend. By reducing non paying admissions, PCGS increases which in turn helps justify ......drum roll..... MM+. The more MM+ needs to be justified, the more management will ratchet down on CM passes.

 

[PhotoDave219]

The 3-5% of non paying admissions dilutes Per Capita Guest Spend. By reducing non paying admissions, PCGS increases which in turn helps justify ......drum roll..... MM+. The more MM+ needs to be justified, the more management will ratchet down on CM passes.

That jives with the note someone passed me.... that its about making someone in management look better.

 

[1023]

As to the reception example, when I go I make sure I at least cover the cost of me being there. I do not like to think I would be a financial burden on the newlyweds.

Yeah... That's the right thing to do.

At my wedding reception, my cousin, a lawyer, and his 4 family members left $50 and a card. They put me out $55. Granted its been 21years, but still grinds me.

Always interesting. Despite one's position in life, engrained traits still the hand (or in that case, the wallet).

*1023*

 

[PhotoDave219]

I am not saying the mind of a VSM optimized is entirely rational, but this how they work.

As to the reception example, when I go I make sure I at least cover the cost of me being there. I do not like to think I would be a financial burden on the newlyweds.

At my wedding reception, my cousin, a lawyer, and his 4 family members left $50 and a card. They put me out $55. Granted its been 21years, but still grinds me.

I can see why that would be upsetting. Just isnt right.... Now if he chipped in for the honeymoon? Different story.

 

[ford91exploder]

But we're talking 3-5% of daily admissions are made up of cast members. S0 based on last years estimates, 53000 average daily attendance so 2600-2700 people MAX.

Plus youre not losing money, its part of people's employment compensation.

If we were talking 240,000, I totally see your point. But we're talking 5% max, maybe 3000 people at the upper limit. And its part of the compensation package for working for WDW.

Now of course the Red Pass (Golden Oaks/Corporate Alliances/VIP) passes and the Gold Pass (Company VIP/Executives) aren't effected.

Its just the working stiffs who are.

Nobles and Serfs, Nobles and Serfs That dynamic just seems to repeat over and over at WDW.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Nobles and Serfs, Nobles and Serfs That dynamic just seems to repeat over and over at WDW.

Didnt seem this way until Capt'n George of the SS Upcharge Events took over WDW.

 

[1023]

Didnt seem this way until Capt'n George of the SS Upcharge Events took over WDW.

Truly, the Genesis of "Upcharge" started as Passholder events on the other coast.... A long, long, time ago... In a coast far, far to the West....

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[Figment2005]

@PhotoDave219 Added note about the passes @Figment2005 mentioned. I hear those are a not very generous total of four annually.

If I remember correctly, the amount the comp tickets received correlate with the amount of dependents one has.

 

[wogwog]

If I remember correctly, the amount the comp tickets received correlate with the amount of dependents one has.

Not any more. The Main Gate pass is for your number of dependents. From my neighbors info they get two paper e-ticket comps twice a year in the summer and winter. Total of four. Those four are in addition to the Main Gate pass is the way it was explained to me. I get one tossed my way at times just before they expire.

 

[PhotoDave219]

If I remember correctly, the amount the comp tickets received correlate with the amount of dependents one has.

Once upon a time, yes. Not anymore.