Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[Pumbas Nakasak]

looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck

or a guest puncher

 

[danlb_2000]

Which brings me to my point, oft accused of "trolling": Even at Disney, Believing Doesn't Make It SO.
They have a Fantasy land, but there's no need to bring your own fantasy world.

If an insider had come on this board a couple years ago and told us Disney planned to build an entire land at AK based on Avatar we probably would have laughed them off the board, but we all know how that turned out. Just because this rumors sounds crazy doesn't mean it's not going to come true.

 

[dadddio]

I think they would rather them filled 6 months out like at CRT than there being a chance of losing out on money.

This is one of the most popular character meals, as I understand it. There's not much chance of them losing money on it.

To take it back to my original point, it is likely that Anna and Elsa will be added to that meal, in my opinion, but it is unlikely that such an addition will significantly increase profits, since this meal is popular already.

 

[dadddio]

OMG - are you for real? Chill out dude. As Elsa would say...let it go. You think the rumor is false? Fine. We get it. You don't believe it. Find a different thread that's not titled "Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom". The point of this thread is to discuss that rumor and its repercussions. Perhaps you can start your own thread titled "Frozen ride NOT replacing Maelstrom".

The problem is that somebody tried to turn the thread into not "Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom" but instead "Arendelle replacing Norway as a country in World Showcase". Those two concepts are wildly different from one another.

 

[Next Big Thing]

This is one of the most popular character meals, as I understand it. There's not much chance of them losing money on it.

To take it back to my original point, it is likely that Anna and Elsa will be added to that meal, in my opinion, but it is unlikely that such an addition will significantly increase profits, since this meal is popular already.

You misunderstood me. Obviously they aren't going to lose money, not at the prices they charge.

What I was saying was if the restaurant isn't always full, that's money they are losing out on.

 

[EricJ]

This is one of the most popular character meals, as I understand it. There's not much chance of them losing money on it.

To take it back to my original point, it is likely that Anna and Elsa will be added to that meal, in my opinion, but it is unlikely that such an addition will significantly increase profits, since this meal is popular already.

And much more likely, and at less expense, as it has already been "built". (Ie., they already have costumes and performers.)
I hear "something", after the other insider gets back, and this is definitely "Something" with Frozen in it, in Norway. It's not a BIG Something as other insiders would so dearly want to spark discussions with--or even the eternal "DAAARK RIIIIDE!" of the Armchair Imagineers--but it's certainly not Nothing.
And it doesn't bulldoze any lands like we all live in fear they will, but instead lives in peaceful co-existence with real countries. Although darn, that does put a damper on the discussions.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

That raises the key question: Why do we, and I'm using your word, WANT to hear it? Why is questioning it "trolling", and such people clearly "bad" or "inexperienced" in doing it, when our good prophet-of-doom is clearly so to be admired in his unassailable credibility presenting us with the object of our worst nightmares?

Why are some here so determined to defend--against all argument, and even to the point of personal attack--something they clearly say they don't want? Are we that comforted by our fears and cynicism that we're even more afraid to give them up, if the opportunity permits? Is rationality and logical argument only here to "spoil the fun"?
Are we not only prisoners of our own resentment toward the company, but our own jailor-dogs holding the keys in our mouths as well?

It's much nicer as a member of a message board to hear for ourselves what information people have to share and decide on our own how much, if any of it, we are going to believe. The more people there are calling into question every piece of possible info, the less likely people with actual info are to share it.

If someone is clearly just trolling, that's one thing, but when multiple sources are indicating that something with a general air of possibility around it (IE: Frozen into Maelstrom) might be moving forward, it's nice to have the chance to put our own ears to the ground, rather than make them feel like taking their toys elsewhere. What's the worst that happens? Things don't Pam out like they said and we all go home.

It's a risk we take reading a News and Rumors board; not everything is going to be true, but it's fun to hear what may or may not be going on.

 

[dadddio]

You misunderstood me. Obviously they aren't going to lose money, not at the prices they charge.

What I was saying was if the restaurant isn't always full, that's money they are losing out on.

I think that we are actually really close to each other's position. Mine is just that given that these character meals are already really popular, the amount that they would gain merely by adding A&E is not huge.

 

[Kman101]

Went out of my way (sort of, lol) today when visiting MK to head over to Epcot and ride Maelstrom. Moderate crowds in the park but not bad at all. I think Soarin' was only around 50 minutes. Had a 10 minute wait for Malestrom around noon and that's probably what it was. It was a little too dark. I also think Peter Pan's Flight was a little too dark as well. The rockwork outside is still being "worked on".

How many people can the queue hold before it starts spilling out into the courtyard?

 

[unkadug]

You misunderstood me. Obviously they aren't going to lose money, not at the prices they charge.

What I was saying was if the restaurant isn't always full, that's money they are losing out on.

Just because you can still get a spot the day before does not mean that the restaurant doesn't fill all seats the day of.

That's like saying that because all Fast Pass+ were not given out for Splash Mountain that Splash will not be at capacity all day.

There is always somebody willing to walk on/in.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Just because you can still get a spot the day before does not mean that the restaurant doesn't fill all seats the day of.

That's like saying that because all Fast Pass+ were not given out for Splash Mountain that Splash will not be at capacity all day.

There is always somebody willing to walk on/in.

What do you suggest then? If a ride gets built in Norway, people would wonder why they aren't available at the character meal. They would fill a meal anyway if you created a new meal specifically for them (say at DHS), but it makes even less thematic sense then as everything is so spread out at that point.

I'm really not sure why Norway is even being considered. Just put a ride in DHS and get over it. The movie has made more than enough money to deserve significant investment.

 

[Victor Kelly]

So tell us then, what would you people do to make EPCOT more interesting? More booze and food? Hate to tell everyone that attractions draw kids, parents come with the kids, PARENTS spend the money. Money makes the world go round. I will not go so far as to say the more money they make the better the parks get, cuz we already see the issues.

 

[GoofGoof]

The problem is that somebody tried to turn the thread into not "Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom" but instead "Arendelle replacing Norway as a country in World Showcase". Those two concepts are wildly different from one another.

Leave Pheneix out of this since you and the duck guy seem to have some sort of strange issues with him. Spirit said Frozen is coming to EPCOT and he had some details for us when he gets back and then there is this post:

I have some friends that actually work at Norway and there is plenty of rumors floating around about what type of ride/show will replace Maelstrom, from an extended ride with plenty of new AA figures to a value engineered ride with plenty of video screens and the flume ride would get the Imagination type of refurb (removing all the high maintenance items). There are still a lot different configurations being bounced around right now. It all come down to one thing: Money.

So one thing is for sure though, the Maelstrom ride in its current configuration will be changing, to what I'm not sure yet, but it is on the fast track and Maelstrom will be going down for a 18-24 month refurb starting as soon as Sept or Oct.

Both reputable sources. I doubt they will be calling the pavilion Arendelle. If this happens it will be an overhaul of the Maelstrom ride with possible meet and greet and/or character meals.

 

[Lee]

One insider that I learned to trust early on was @Lee, specially because of this:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/what-i-think-as-of-today-for-now.621259/

He provided pretty accurate details of the changes to the Fantasyland Expansion over four months before if was officially announced. These details where to close to reality to be a luck guess.

Wow...
And just think, I didn't even have to provide evidence (though I had it.)

 

[EricJ]

Spirit said Frozen is coming to EPCOT and he had some details for us when he gets back and then there is this post:
Alektonic said: I have some friends that actually work at Norway and there is plenty of rumors floating around about what type of ride/show will replace Maelstrom

Yeah, but makes it sound like the guy believes CM rumors. That's just, y'know, weird.

but it is on the fast track and Maelstrom will be going down for a 18-24 month refurb starting as soon as Sept or Oct.

The gauntlet's been thrown down--The rumors finally have a Bullcrap-date. Archive posts accordingly.

 

[GoofGoof]

So tell us then, what would you people do to make EPCOT more interesting? More booze and food? Hate to tell everyone that attractions draw kids, parents come with the kids, PARENTS spend the money. Money makes the world go round. I will not go so far as to say the more money they make the better the parks get, cuz we already see the issues.

Did you see the concept art for the Brazil pavilion @Lee posted in the rat ride thread? There are still great ideas floating around WDI for EPCOT. They have whole attraction buildings vacant on the other side of the park. A redo of Imagination, do something with Wonders of Life, a new country in WS or any number of WS unique rides (bullet train in Japan and Rhine River tour in Germany come to mind)

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

So tell us then, what would you people do to make EPCOT more interesting? More booze and food? Hate to tell everyone that attractions draw kids, parents come with the kids, PARENTS spend the money. Money makes the world go round. I will not go so far as to say the more money they make the better the parks get, cuz we already see the issues.

I don't take issue with the idea of attractions in World Showcase - alternatively, I think the Maelstrom is a fine example of how that part of the park could benefit from more attractions. It uses elements of a rich foreign culture to create an original, adventuresome attraction that offers a glimpse into a people we may not understand. Throw more of that my way and I'm set.

Toss an only mildly related movie into a part of the park to the exclusion of an attraction already well serving Epcot when the property in question has in a short time already done well enough to justify bold and innovative stand-alone construction in the resort, and yeah, I think it's a problem.

Epcot needs more attractions, I agree. However, adding Frozen to the Maelstrom not only fails to improve the number of attractions in the parks, but fails to regard the successes of the attraction that currently stands in a pretty tragic way.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yeah, but makes it sound like the guy believes CM rumors. That's just, y'know, weird.

He's another long time poster here who has provided legit info in the past. He's just passing on what he heard. You know, the RUMORS part of news and rumors. I'll go back to my original post to you when you started this crusade....Let it go.

 

[dadddio]

What do you suggest then? If a ride gets built in Norway, people would wonder why they aren't available at the character meal.

If they do a meet and greet in Norway! then they might not want to add them to the character meal, also, since they cannot be in two places at the same time in close proximity.

I'm really not sure why Norway is even being considered. Just put a ride in DHS and get over it. The movie has made more than enough money to deserve significant investment.

Norway would be considered because that's where the movie apparently takes place, according to Disney and Norway.

 

[dadddio]

So tell us then, what would you people do to make EPCOT more interesting? More booze and food? Hate to tell everyone that attractions draw kids, parents come with the kids, PARENTS spend the money. Money makes the world go round. I will not go so far as to say the more money they make the better the parks get, cuz we already see the issues.

WS is kind of a pain in the butt when you are touring with young kids who aren't having fun.