Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[alissafalco]

Really?

Because there has been no indication shown by anyone that the actual company would do this or plans to do this.

I love how when you speak against these paranoid theories that people expect you to prove the negative. Like I'm supposed to pull Iger out of my pocket and have him slap around the forum for a while.

Im trying to understand how you have come to this conclusion. So its your own opinion because Iger has not said anything publicly? Correct? Ok.

 

[lebeau]

Oh, I once had to fight off two months of equally paranoid fans claiming that Disney "hated" Blu-ray, was trying to "phase out their disk industry", and "was getting ready to eliminate 3-D", just because the company had to delay the Frozen 3D disk to October without telling us.
You can BELIEVE that they actually believe it.

That's a good one. Thanks for the laugh. I wonder where people come up with this stuff.

 

[EricJ]

Really?

Because there has been no indication shown by anyone that the actual company would do this or plans to do this.

I'm still wondering how we took pheneoiex's word so...immediately!
I tried...no, I really tried!...to go back through posts, seeing where he showed smuggled photos of concept art, whose desk it was on, mentioned who he talked to, or what meetings he was at where timeframes were specifically discussed, I had to have missed something!
But no--It was "Oh, yeah, heard it. It's a doner. Gonna happen.", and we all started digging trenches in the VERY NEXT POST!
(Well, he's posted some other right things before, a couple times!...And he's not as bad as the other guy who shows off rumors!)

How silly of me to say that we're all believing it because we want to believe bad cynical things about Disney/Epcot, and that we're all drunk on the mindset of accepting our own responses of "Oh, yeah, they would do it too!" or "Oh, they would want to do it, after the box office numbers!" as some form of actual verified proof. (Even though "Would' is technically a speculative word, meaning it's in your imagination, and not widely accepted as a form of logic.)
Don't I have any respect for the CARE and CONCERN that fans are showing for their beloved park??

 

[wm49rs]

I'm still wondering how we took pheneoiex's word so...immediately!
I tried...no, I really tried!...to go back through posts, seeing where he showed smuggled photos of concept art, mentioned who he talked to, or what meetings he was at, I had to have missed something!
But no--It was "Oh, yeah, heard it. It's a doner. Gonna happen.", and we all started digging trenches in the VERY NEXT POST!

How silly of me to say that we're all believing it because we want to believe bad cynical things about Disney/Epcot, and that we're all drunk on the mindset of accepting our own responses of "Oh, yeah, they would do it too!" as some form of actual verified proof. (Even though "Would' is a speculative word, meaning it's in your imagination, and not widely accepted as a form of logic.)
Don't I have any respect for the CARE and CONCERN that fans are showing for their beloved park??

No, but the fact your earlier posts were so readily ignored is shining through....

 

[dadddio]

Im trying to understand how you have come to this conclusion. So its your own opinion because Iger has not said anything publicly? Correct? Ok.

I formed my opinion because there is nothing to support the theory that they are doing away with the Norway pavilian and replacing it with an Arendelle pavilion. That is a pretty huge alteration to accept without anything to support it.

Here's an idea: Those of you that believe this change is going to happen should offer some evidence that it will. Prove the positive.

 

[Gomer]

Another theory is that Disney has no such plans to change the pavilion from Norway and the so-called insider information wasn't.

Of course, when the real plans are released, the faux insider will just decry it as Disney changing it's mind again. 'Walt would never do this.'

I don’t think Norway is going anywhere. I believe this because retheming the pavilion makes no sense to me. It would be an extremely expensive project that would result in the pavilion sticking out in WS like a sore thumb. It would involve millions of dollars in construction, when Disney could just as easily get away with adding the frozen ride without any retheming by saying the movie was inspired by Norway. I just don’t see Disney spending the money to change the pavilion with so little reason to do so.

That is why I think it won’t happen. I have no reason not to trust the insider, nor do I think it is generally a wise thing to do to question the validity of people’s statements on a message board when I have no reason to do so. The fine folks who frequent this board believe @pheneix has the good info, so who are we to question him? I don’t know him, I don’t know you, I can only go off what others know. And I haven’t grown quite pessimistic enough yet to start thinking there are WDWmagic-wide conspiracies to create fabricated insiders in order to push some sort of agenda.

I’ve been reading this message board for 11 years now. Long enough to know that real insiders do come here along with the fake and that even a real insider can be wrong or be fed incorrect information from time to time. It doesn’t make them any less valid. And the only way to get a read on who is real and who is not, is by assessing the attitudes of those who have been around long enough and post here frequently enough to assess their validity. So, with that as my criteria, I trust Pheneix’s status. I just don’t buy that Disney will follow through on this plan.

 

[Cesar R M]

Yeah, that's the irony to me. DHS is just screaming for more family friendly rides and significantly lags behind Epcot in attendence. It also has a more appropriate locale for Frozen with the Animation Courtyard area. Why wouldn't they put a Frozen attraction there as opposed to a poor shoehorning of one in Epcot?

keeping room for Star Wars maybe?

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I formed my opinion because there is nothing to support the theory that they are doing away with the Norway pavilian and replacing it with an Arendelle pavilion. That is a pretty huge alteration to accept without anything to support it.

Here's an idea: Those of you that believe this change is going to happen should offer some evidence that it will. Prove the positive.

The fact that so many are inclined to believe it says more about their expectations of the current WDW leadership than the veracity of any information provided by some no mark on the interweb. But you already know that.

 

[Nemo14]

I'm still wondering how we took pheneoiex's word so...immediately!
I tried...no, I really tried!...to go back through posts, seeing where he showed smuggled photos of concept art, whose desk it was on, mentioned who he talked to, or what meetings he was at where timeframes were specifically discussed, I had to have missed something!
But no--It was "Oh, yeah, heard it. It's a doner. Gonna happen.", and we all started digging trenches in the VERY NEXT POST!
(Well, he's posted some other right things before, a couple times!...And he's not as bad as the other guy who shows off rumors!)

How silly of me to say that we're all believing it because we want to believe bad cynical things about Disney/Epcot, and that we're all drunk on the mindset of accepting our own responses of "Oh, yeah, they would do it too!" or "Oh, they would want to do it, after the box office numbers!" as some form of actual verified proof. (Even though "Would' is technically a speculative word, meaning it's in your imagination, and not widely accepted as a form of logic.)
Don't I have any respect for the CARE and CONCERN that fans are showing for their beloved park??

Do you really think that any of our insiders are stupid enough to post their sources?

 

[Cesar R M]

I'm a warrior for Reality..

and this is when you know someone is trying his best to troll..

Completely off-topic, but seriously? A for-real two months? Spent arguing over people's irrational Disney blu-ray claims? I can't even imagine caring enough about anything to argue for 2 months about it. Especially what some people on the internet believe about dying media format.

That's either some serious dedication or some sort of serious mental issue. Nice work.

I think this image explains it best

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

and this is when you know someone is trying his best to troll..

Really Ive always had a natural flair.

 

[Matt_Black]

For those just joining the conversation, here's a summary- according to anonymous sources, there are unverified claims that Disney might add cartoon characters to a theme park to drive attendance, and people are losing their frigging minds about the possible thing that might happen or not in the next few years.

 

[Cesar R M]

Really Ive always had a natural flair.

I was talking about the guy you replied to. not you.

For those just joining the conversation, here's a summary- according to anonymous sources, there are unverified claims that Disney might add cartoon characters to a theme park to drive attendance, and people are losing their frigging minds about the possible thing that might happen or not in the next few years.

Let me improve your summary:

not just "adding".
but reshaping a part designed to showcase a culture of a country with a make-believe cartoon characters.
also removing one cultural ride and replace it with one cheap "valued engineering" attraction that gives nothing but orgasms to the crazies who think Frozen is a real religion

Also, for the guy who claims only @pheneix was involved in this "leak". didn't @WDW1974 also hinted the very probable reshaping and presence of Frozen in the world showcase?

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I was talking about the guy you replied to. not you.

I know, Im just joining in the self worship. And my crusade has lasted longer than 2 months

 

[doctornick]

keeping room for Star Wars maybe?

Well, if I were in charge, I would tear down some of the buildings around the Animation Courtyard -- part of the very large (and underused IIRC) Animation Building, the backstage dining area behind Disney Jr, the backstage buildings between RNR and Animation Courtyard, etc. There's room in that area if you move backstage/unused stuff and could actually flesh out the Animation area better. Putting something based on Frozen there would be a big hit.

(What I'd really like to see, also, would be for that area to be used to feature animated films that don't really fit thematically in other areas -- like a new Mr. Toad's ride.)

Star Wars is almost certainly going to be built around the current Star Tours ride, so using the Echo Lake area, backstage behind Star Tours/Backlot Express and maybe all or part of Streets of America. It wouldn't be anywhere near the Animation Courtyard.

 

[dadddio]

Also, for the guy who claims only @pheneix was involved in this "leak". didn't @WDW1974 also hinted the very probable reshaping and presence of Frozen in the world showcase?

If you are referring to the post that I saw, he mentioned that he heard that something is in the works with Frozen in Epcot and that he would discuss it when he returned from vacation. That is not the same as him confirming the removal of Norway from WS.

Edited to add his actual statement:

"Anyway, while I have much to share with you, I gots to get back to the business of having fun in the sun. But soon enough we'll be talking about Frozen in EPCOT being confirmed to me, ..."​

 

[Cesar R M]

I know, Im just joining in the self worship. And my crusade has lasted longer than 2 months

 

[Matt_Black]

If Chicken Little tells you that the sky is falling, even if it wasn't would you still come crawling back again? I bet you would my friend. Again and again and again and again!

 

[spacemt354]

Well, if I were in charge, I would tear down some of the buildings around the Animation Courtyard -- part of the very large (and underused IIRC) Animation Building, the backstage dining area behind Disney Jr, the backstage buildings between RNR and Animation Courtyard, etc. There's room in that area if you move backstage/unused stuff and could actually flesh out the Animation area better. Putting something based on Frozen there would be a big hit.

(What I'd really like to see, also, would be for that area to be used to feature animated films that don't really fit thematically in other areas -- like a new Mr. Toad's ride.)

Star Wars is almost certainly going to be built around the current Star Tours ride, so using the Echo Lake area, backstage behind Star Tours/Backlot Express and maybe all or part of Streets of America. It wouldn't be anywhere near the Animation Courtyard.

A Frozen dark ride in Animation Courtyard in DHS would be a great way to bring life to that area of the park and show off a popular Disney animation film.

But that's too easy. Instead, Disney would rather attempt to shoehorn Frozen into a cultural pavilion in Epcot, and create a story that relates Norway to a Disney animated film based on a Danish fairy-tale.

 

[danlb_2000]

I can't believe that you guys actually believe that they plan on not having a Norway pavilion and having a 'Arendelle' pavilion there.

Yeah, this it totally ridiculous. Turning Norway into Arendelle would be like turning Cinderella's Castle into a giant birthday cake, or blocking the view of the Chinese Theater with a giant Sorcerer Mickey hat. Never going to happen.